As Rangers fans, we've all been witness to what a piece of garbage Dan Carcillo can be. Beyond the trash talking and dirty play, he fought Marian Gaborik. MARIAN GABORIK!!!!! Although, Dan Girardi sort of let him, so I guess I can't completely fault the guy. But I digress.
Amazingly enough, the jackass I describe above is exactly what the Rangers need right now. He brings an edge that the Blueshirts are completely void of with the injury to Derek Dorsett. He's also not afraid to standup for a teammate and can provide a jolt of energy when needed. Plus, "Carbomb" has to be one of the best nicknames in sports.
However, Carcillo has not been the same guy most of us remember from his days in Philadelphia. Since signing with the Blackhawks in 2011, his career has gone downhill. During his first season in Chicago, he suffered a torn ACL that forced him to miss half the year. Then he sprained the same knee the next season, which forced him to miss a month and eventually lose his job to Brandon Saad. Carcillo only dressed in four first round playoff games during the Blackhawks run to the Stanley Cup last Spring. During this past offseason, Carcillo was traded to the Kings, but had only suited up in half their games this year.
Carcillo has also been suspended on six separate occasions in his career, so he sometimes has a tough time knowing where that line is between agitator and moron.
So, what Carcillo are the Rangers getting? The one who put up 20 points (12g, 10a) along with 207 penalty minutes and 194 hits in 2009-10 for the Flyers and when doing his job looks like this?:
Or the idiot who does this?:
I guess we'll find out starting tonight.
Here's a little insight into how Alain Vigneault views the Carcillo acquisition (via New York Post)...
“For us this is a low-risk move. He’s in the last year of his contract, it’s not very expensive [$825,000], so hopefully he can come in and help us.”
...Carcillo's role and ice time will be completely dependent upon himself. If he can bring a tough, gritty, in your face style, he'll have a positive impact on this team. To be honest, all I'm looking for from him is to provide a spark when the Rangers have a lull in their game. A hit. A fight. Anything to get his team's head back into the game. If he can't offer that or the Rangers find inspiration somewhere else, Carcillo could end up spending more time in the press box than John Scott did when the Rangers acquired him two years ago.
...now, after Saturday night's performance, I'm not 100% sure Carcillo even gets in the game tonight. However, most coaches like to get a new piece immediately into the lineup, so I expect him to dress. The question is, who comes out? If it was based on performance, Nash or Stepan should be in street clothes, but we all know that's not going to happen. While I hate to see a guy coming off a two-goal performance sent to the press box, games like that have been too far and few in between from Dominic Moore. I also think Boyle is better on faceoffs and the penalty kill as well as being a bigger body out there. The wild card to sit is JT Miller. It'd be a travesty if he's a healthy scratch as the Rangers are 5-2-0 in the seven games he's played in since being recalled on December 19th. AV sat him for Friday night's 5-2 loss to the Pens.
...btw, if Carcillo does play against Columbus tonight, I think Rangers fans' heads will explode if he fights Dubinsky.
Agree, Lance. We need a heavyweight. The problem with guys like Carcillo -- and hence my "thug" reference -- is that you never know when they're going to go off and do something stupid, really stupid..... something that will lead to a five minute major, a five game suspension, etc. With a heavyweight,bouts tend to be more honorable.... no cheap shots..... no BS. Carcillo is a POS. He's now our POS and I understand that, but be careful what you wish for Ranger fans. Living in Philly, I've seen this POS. I just hope he can be more of the guy featured in the first video rather than the second, that's all I am saying.
He was an excellent fighter. Is he still? Probably. Look at him taking on Brian Bickel. He owned Dorsett. His downsides include lack of discipline and the debilitating injuries. Can he still skate at all? I guess overall I like the move. For whom will he play, though? Nash/stepan/richards are not viable answers no matter how much anger you have towards those guys. Viable answers include: Boyle, D. Moore, Miller. The next time one of those guys goes into a lull, we'll see Carbomb, I'm sure.
Low risk move is right. Even if it just helps jumpstart the first winning streak, it'll be worth it.
A great 3rd line would've been Orr Prust and Carcillo or even asham. Bring asham back up we need enforcers
Kreider eventually fought Phaneuf in the third, but I liked the way he stood up in the 2nd better, by scoring a goal. Gritt is way different and way more important than fighting.
As far as the price tag, I'm fine with this deal. Like AV said, it's low risk, really, unless he becomes some sort of cancer in the lockerroom, but I don't think that will happen.
For a guy like Carcillo, I wouldnt be surprised if some familiar opponents and some familiar building reignite something in him. I feel like guys who feed of mixing it up like he did tend to struggle more when they aren't 100% physically, and when the players around them are new. If you don't trust your knees, you're not going to go looking to get tangled up with someone bigger than you, and if you don't know your opponents well, its tough to get under their skin. Matching up against Philly, Washington, Devils, Islanders could help Carcillo to be more effective than he was is Chicago and LA.
A little embarrased that he'll be wearing such a classy sweater, but at least he pulled on a Chicago one first. He on our team now, guess you gotta pull for him.
Carcillo is Asham in his younger days, without the offensive upside. Don't expect anything more than you expected (but didn't get) from Asham. He is NOT Avery, he's not Prust, he's not Joey Kocur or Tie Domi. As far as who sits...sure lets sit Richards or Stepan, they're only 2 & 3 on the team in scoring...a team that is 24th in the league in goals per game. Yea, great idea to sit one of those guys.
Oh, and for everyone comparing Nash to Lindros, just stop already! Lindros had 6 concussions before he came to the Rangers and he was putting up well over a point per game. He wasn't the punishing hitter that he was early in his Flyers career, but he was still a power forward. Hi career ended because of a wrist injury, although allowing him to get 8 concussions was criminal and Clarke should be ashamed of his actions! Nash's problems are that he's become a one trick pony and teams have figured him out. If he would learn to pass rather than trying to beat 3 guys all the time, he'd get more open space.
Well AV, if its really a numbers game JT plays- oh wait. You can't count and chew gum at the same time. My bad. And when Gabby took that senseless beating who stood up for him? That year we were supposedly tough? Right? Anyway I hate to think we hired a classless goon who can't play. I hope he brings more here than that.
Oh man tired of everyone complaining about getting carcillo "oh hes a thug" ok well not many guys on this team have that presence you need to have. I call it the where are they attribute its the thought that should go through the other teams minds before they attack our team they should have to worry about retribution and if crosby is putting someone in a headlock and nothibg ia happening then we are ib trouble
Love my Rangers. Despise Carcillo. He is as dirty as it gets. The guy is a fringe NHL player as it is. I think if he fights Dubi, most Ranger fans will hope he breaks Carcillo's jaw.
Who cares...Did anyone see McD get put in a headlock.by Crysby and McD do nothing? Are u kidding me? You are losing big and Crysby puts you in a headllock and roughs YOU up?? And he doesn't even throw a punch? I'm the happiest Ranger fan I'm the world.Carcillo for.all that he is and isn't is well worth conditional 7th draft pick. Boyle-whuss McD -whuss Nash-whuss Richards-whuss, see where I'm going right? Carcillo is intense and crazy yes but you know what? When you go into a big game and it gets chippy amd scrappy I want him on my side. No Fear-unlike all the Rangers except Cally, Dorsett and even Zuccs
Some reason I would prefer Richards to sit (he is not moving his feet, he need to play 10 then rest 10) and insert Miller instead if AV decides to move tough guy in 4th line
Carcillo should be in the line up.....why get a guy and then not dress him? Makes no sense at all.
And yes Stepan should be shown to the press box. This is the guy that had the balls to ask for 5 million and hasn't even played up to his cormorant contract
Far as Nash. Look the concussions have forced him to change hos game for some reason....We all have to look at that and get the facts... but one more hit to my head/concussion and the Doctor says I can be a career ending injury (see lindross , pronger and our own Sauer. As some examples)
@TheNYRBlog neither New version= Kinder , Gentler Carcillo
@fs2020 The Rangers need an identity. If he plays tonight, you watch how the Garden reacts if he gets in a fight or if he lands a huge body check.... Ranger fans and Bruins fans for that matter, hate timid, Euro style players who lack balls. They relish tough guys who know how to cover their teammates backs. Witness Rudy Poeschek when he first arrived in New York and they played the Philidelphia Flyers... Poeschek was immediately a fan favorite by confronting Jeff Chychrun [I think it was him] and giving New York back their pride.
@gravey94Agree, agree and agree. Great commentary Gravey! When Lindros came over here he was docile as a teddy bear and a shell of his former self, however his shell was still better than over 95% of the league
@Gino77 Absolutely - tho we kinda need this dope right now
You mean one more hit and he would be gone...and you would have to replace him with someone who would be a mere shell of him??? Someone playing like...like...HIM..for instance? No one is asking this guy to do heavy lifting on the boards, but if he can't (won't) even skate into contested ice, OR take a hit to make a play...then he should retire, or get off the ice until he can. This is hockey.
@PATR2014 Ugh, even worse. I'd rather the moron.
@Betweentheworlds @gravey94 I disagree. Everyone is not the same. One player might have ten concussions, yet play the same as another player who has had only two. But physical injuries is only one dimension. Mental attitude is another. Nash suffers from lack of confidence now. Since his concussion, look at where he plays the game: on the perimeter. Compare this to where he played the game when he was first acquired, or when he was in Columbus: down the middle. The guy just is not as aggressive going to the net. He is not just a one trick pony. He played several years in Columbus and they would have figured him out LONG before he was traded to New York, if he was a one trick pony. Right now, Nash, is not Nash.... I hope it is mental, so that he can regain his form..... the same holds true with Brad Richards. The guy was aging to start with, but the brutal assault by Kaleta accelerated Richards deterioration and did nothing for his confidence. Both are playing timidly, compared to where they were before their injuries.
You are absolutely right: we do need a tough guy on this team, but I think his name should be Haley.
@Say my Name@mando24179Any concussion can be your career, 1st or 8th, doesn't matter though it is cumulative (I had 6) and the odds do go up with each bell ringing. Hockey is a high risk sport. That's why I laugh when these brains (ie. Sather) think one signing is going to change his fortunes. Lindros had 8 and still made an impact here (see Gravey94 comments above). Patsy Nash? I don't care who it is, if someone plays scared they are thinking and not playing. Hockey is too fast to think. He should be benched by the coach until he's ready to play but unfortunately that would never happen in Dolan's universe. I still think there's a very good player there if he can get his heart and his head in the right place. Big IF...
Dude i dont know if That's what it is......thats speculation... what i do know from viewing him his game has changed....since last yr when he got smashed by Lucic and no one did anything aside from the injury...
What should have been done was sit him out for the year as the Pens did with Crosby...... As a precaution... and longevity
@TheNYRBlog LMAO!! i was watching Sharks ~Hawks last nite. Depressing to see. 2 good Hockey teams and i have to watch our team :(
What needs to be done is a few things when it comes to Nash....sit him out for the rest of year. The guy hands down has skills... another is conditioning.
Alot of people have forgotten AV was hired just before camp...m and Torts main goal was conditioning with the players in season and in off season. It seems that wasn't the case. He seems heavy on his skates... not fluid ad he has been previously
Another issue Nash was really effective in the olympics with a play making center and with us. When he was on the same line as Zucc........ He is trying to do to much in my eyes as Stepan disappears games at a time.
Stepan is not in his league... Zucc as shown he is a great passer and has great hockey decision making ability unlike Stepan that holds on to the puck far to long at times. NASH IS A FINISHER... He needs to be fed the puck not him playing play maker...
Agreed, but in the final analysis it doesn't matter what it is. He is not playing the game of hockey...whether he won't, can't , or is just afraid to doesn't matter. He is (as I have said since the beginning) supremely overrated.
It has sense