Yesterday, I posted that Dan Girardi is looking for a six to seven year extension in the neighborhood of $5.4 million per.
Apparently, according to Larry Brooks at the New York Post, the Rangers have made two counter offers including a six-year deal in the neighborhood of $5.2 million per season and a five-year contract worth approximately $5.7 million per season.
Brooks adds that both sides are making progress.
...SIX YEARS?!?!?!?! Wow, even five is probably too much. I love Girardi just as much as the next guy and his minutes will be hard to replace, but as has been pointed out numerous times on this blog anything in that six year range would be detrimental to the Rangers future.
...i really am floored that Sather would go six years with Girardi. Would love to hear his thinking on this.
Brooks also reports that the Rangers have interest in Colorado’s 25-year-old left wing Jamie McGinn.
McGinn's 12 goals this season would make him the Rangers third leading scorer. McGinn is in the final year of his contract that pays him $1.75M this season. He will be an RFA at the end of the year.
...i guess we know why the Rangers are still scouting the Avs.
...can never have enough depth on forward. Assuming it'll take at least a second round pick to get him (H/T Adam Herman for tipping me on my stupidity).
For anyone on here throwing around that the length of the contract is "Risky", I'm curous if you feel the "Risk" is that at 34, Callahan will be out there, but just won't be the same player (ie. worth the cap hit), or that we'll be paying a guy who's no longer on the ice? I only ask because i had a convo on Twitter with @capgeek , and I was assuming there were penalties for early termination, but it turns out post-lockout contracts have no penalties associated. So if Hank or Cally or Girardi are too broken to play out their contract, they can simply call it a career and the Rangers are free and clear. Thought that was interesting.
Why would this surprise anyone? One only needs to look at Sather's history to see this is the norm for him. Scott Gomez, Chris Drury, Wade Redden...the list goes on. This is typical Glen Sather.
Agree with you, Kevin. Six years on ANY contract, even if you are in your early 20s is risky, unless you are Alex Ovechkin or Sidney Crosby or Wayne Gretzky. One just never knows how players develop or how fast they will deteriorate once they have reached their peaks. But I guess this is what the market is paying? Players need reassurances, but not without bearing some of the RISK themselves. I'd do a six year contract only if the final two years were based on incentives - i.e., production, playing time, etc. Signing six year deals without incentives at the end, if the player is over 34 for example, does not make good business sense!!! Thoughts....
I was really hoping the asking price of $5.4M was a really high-ball mark and the actual deal would be closer to what McD got. I'd be ok with 6 years if it is no more than $5M per.
As long as we dump Richards, the money isn't a problem
Signing him is a must. Here's why
There is no one to replace him. To get a player to replace him it will cost at least a 1st and top prospect on the trade market. That's if anyone is willing to trade a top d man.
Free agency no one is really comparable to him. Plus free agency you will need to hugely over pay.
Unlike cally Girardi rarely misses games. His game isn't speed, his positioning is top in the game.
The D is pretty solid for the years to come.
Staal can be moved next year and get some solid guys back. Also we can keep him and make a run.
Allen and hopefully mcllrath can compete for the 6th d man spot. Makes stralman expandable if he asks for stupid money.
Lastly it lets the rangers look to upgrade their core of forwards moving forward.
Girardi 29, Cally 28...6 years for Girardi is entirely reasonable. He doesn't get injured and doesn't play a speed game. This is why that's simpler than Callahan
@TheNYRBlog how old is G? 31?
I just cant see throwing big money at cally. Not with his injury history. We can probably get incredible value for him at the deadline. Thats how he can most help this team. I dont want to see him block a shot, break his ankle again, then we dont have a top 6 guy for the playoffs. If he wants to come back this summer for a reasonable contract wed all love him to come back!
5.7 Million for Giradi? Are you serious? That is what they offered? This is mind boggling. Callahan is looking for 6 million and they are offering 5.7 to Giradi? WTF? How can they not be close with Cally? Callahan is a defense shut down top 6- forward that can log in top mins, right below a defense-man ice-time and more than a forward ice-time, he has the potential to score 20 to 25 goals in a season, and is one of the better players on the PK and PP. This season is not an indication of him moving forward, it's been an unfair assessment. He has been in the top 3 in scoring on this team for many seasons, and once he gets his opportunities he will be putting those numbers up again. I will be even more pissed at this organization if Giradi signs for 5.7 Million and they let Cally go for a 300k difference. F that!
In am hearing teams are lining up for girardi, making shit offers thats why he is so bold, but i truly think that at deadline sather can rape someone who really needs him. no one really needs cally except maybe sabres to bring in fans
I say do it he's one half of our top d-man line plays lots of min and is a good d-man can't get rid of all our d-man plus there's nobody out there to take his place
Maybe someone with a little more knowledge of the CBA can answer this for me. I'm looking on Cap Geek for it, but I can't find it. The new CBA has provisions to penalize teams if players retire under two conditions: a) they were signed to a contract that was signed pre-lockout (ie before 2012), or b) they sign a deal post-lockout thats for more than 7 years (ie. Lundqvist). This is obviously to prevent teams from signing contracts like Richards and Kovulchuk did where the last 3 years of your contract you make $1 mil to bring down your avg cap hit, yada yada yada.
To my question: What happens if a player signs a 6-year deal or less, post lockout (obviously), and then after 3 or 4 or 5 years decides to retire? We're all freaking out about Cally and Girardi not being serviceable players after then hit 32 or 33 like Drury did. Well, what happens if they retire? Biron signed a deal after the lockout for 2 seasons, retired at the beginning of this year, and I don't see him anywhere on our cap hit sheet.
Just wondering if we're making a mountain out of a mole-hill if our biggest concern is that Girardi or Cally won't be worth this value in years 5 and 6 of their deals. Don't forget, there's also LTIR if the concern is bruised and broken.
These prices and terms for these players is asinine. Remember, its the future we have to keep our eyes on. NOT what theyve done in the past. These numbers worry me.
McDonagh and Girardi being locked up is pretty damn good... I know people are freaking out about the number, but even if Girardi takes the 5.2 mil a year, that's not a horrible deal at all. But Callahan on the other hand...
Why does it sound like he's not thinking? Every analyst/expert I've heard/read over the past several days has said that if Girardi goes to July 1 he would get a deal at $6mm for 6 years. That's the market, like it or not. If he can get G for $5.2 for 6 years, he's actually doing pretty well...
Signing Girardi and Cally are key but not at a high price. I think we NEED to keep one, we can't afford to lose both. This team is very close to the promise land but we are missing that one key component but i dont think Jamie McGinn is that guy. Every team that has a solid shot at the cup has those two guys Crosby Malkin, Getzlaf Perry Kopitar Richard, Towes Kane. We have Nash and then Richards? If we had to lose Cally to save some cap space for that other guy I could live with that. Either a guy like Vanek off of free agent list or a big player through trade like Evander Kane
Girardi shouldn't be in the same ball park as McD. I don't get this at all. If they sign Girardi at the expense of losing Stralman this is a huge mistake.
I'll say this: I'm surprised Girardi has the balls the ask for more money than McDonagh, but I guess with the cap going up, McDonagh's $4.7 Mil for 5 more years is becoming more and more of a steal.
Let's assume Girardi takes the 5 for $5.7. The Rangers would therefore be paying their top pair $10.4 mil for the next 5 seasons. Like it or not, that's not out of whack from what other teams in the league are paying. They years may be different, ages may vary, the balance of who makes what may be different, but teams like Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, St Louis, Vancouver, LA, etc are all averaging $9-$12 for their top 2 d-men. If you can look at the numbers and say "id be OK if we were paying McDonagh the 5.7 and Girardi the 4.7", then at the end of the day this is a wash. Tell Girardi to take McD out to dinner once a week.
The real question is will Staal expect a similar contract, or will he accept that he's a 2nd pair guy and take contract as such.
@TheNYRBlog G IS GOOD BUT NOT 6 MIL GOOD , SEE YA
if u dont like girardi your a moron. he is ONE OF THE most dedicated players ive seen in a long time. he is a DEFENSEMAN and a very good and very underrated player. he is a very smart player. guys like this actually deserve a good deal like this, and he blocks a ton of shots and still plays every game. hes the man
I know that I am well into the minority with this...but these contracts are absurd. "Core player?" "Shutdown defenseman?" I just don't see it. I see him as another guy that the Rangers over-hyped and will move. If the rationale that a defenseman who logs 30+ minutes is worth 5.5 million a year, than maybe the NHL needs to think about dropping some teams from the league. Christ, for another million, now your at Ottawa's Karlsson's salary. Klein will be fine. Move Girardi and get another power-play guy.
Top pairing shut down d man logging 30 a night hard to replace. No one in Hartford to replace him and a FA would come wth a higher price tag.
This whole Callahan thing is driving me crazy. Someone has to give here. Give Cally 5 or 6 years at 5 to 5.5 Million. Don't know why Cally would not take that, and the Rangers would not agree to something like that. I don't judge him on this season which has been an off season for him. Regardless Cally is going to make more money if he stays with the Rangers or goes into the free market. If he wants to stay like he claims then he has to bend.
@TheNYRBlog when is Sather ever thinking? I think he make decisions by throwing darts at a board.
Glen Sather as defined by Webster: A master at trades, stands his grounds with RFA but completely senile with UFA.
Actually I think it's fine. The longer contract (6 years) means better cap hit than 5 years. Getting him under contract means that he would command more in a trade (then if he were a UFA) should the Rangers explore that route with him, which is certainly within the realm of possibility.
The thing is to get your core guys secured and under contract, then decide what changes need to be made. . Girardi is still fairly young and solid.on D and may be adjusting to the new system more slowly, hence his up and down season. This is obviously not a rebuilding team and is being built now to win with Hank signed. I would expect Cally to be next if he can come down a little and Richey with his albatross to be a casualty. Sometimes Slats is good with his trades so let's see what happens.
I'd actually prefer the 6yr deal over the 5 just cause the cap hit is more manageable. While the length is longer than I'd like. It's at least tolerable. The extra 500k would also help with signing other pending FAs etc...
I think everyone needs to take a breath and assess this. Hank was signed for 7 years and he's 31 in the prime of his career. This team is NOT going to rebuild, they are NOT going to go after picks and prospects at the expense of a top pair D-man and a top 6 forward. Trading Cally and Girardi are last resorts that Sather faces IF he cannot get them signed. If this team were in the position of the fishsticks, then I could definitely see both guys getting traded. But guess what, they're not. They're 2 points away from being 3rd in the Conference. You don't just blow that up unless you are getting equal NHL-ready value back. I feel pretty confident Girardi will be signed. Less so for Cally, but I still think he gets signed as well. Losing 1 of these guys hurts this team a lot and is tough to make up. Losing both sets the team back 2-3 years, minimum, and they can't afford that with Hank at 31.
Sather is banking on Dman salaries skyrocketing over the next few years, so it might not look like it now but locking Girardi up for that long may be the best option. It's the same logic he used for making the DZ trade.
Im good with a deal like this. And would like Callahan to get a similar deal to MCD. These are core guys that you make cap room for. This is what happens when you build a team from within and those players develop into stars.
They will have to start plugging in cheaper young talent (Allen, Miller, Kristos, Lindberg, McIlarth et al) for the likes of Hagelin, Strahlman, Brassard, and other second tier talent.
Phenom. But way too early to tell for sure!
5.7 for 5yrs cally wants 7yrs they would probably pay him 6 if he took 5 yrs
That's it fs2020!!!! That explains Sather's somewhat boneheaded moves!!
this is what happened with baseball
@GiveGartneraCup Wrong, McD was an RFA, Girardi is UFA, you can't compare the kinds of deals those two players are getting. Market price on UFA's is always higher. McDonaugh is a ridiculous bargain even as an RFA
just think what McD's next contract will pay, 5 for girardi isnt bad. whats bad is 6 years
Like I said... Be thankful you aren't paying Letang 8 million a year lol... When all is said and done if you can resign stralman and extend Staal our top 4 will be set for years. Not to mention we have Klein and Moore. Plus in two to three years Brady Skjei. I think it's time to start focusing on building the offense... Starting with the center position, which is the weakest point of our team at the moment .
@holton67I dont think its a matter of not liking him.
I think I speak for most people when I say he's a great Ranger and has earned a tremendous amt of respect. The issue here is overpaying him. Only bad teams overpay for past contributions. Good teams hand out contracts based on future expected return...
Thank you for speaking common sense.
Also leaking to the media that a trade is possible for one of the two or even both puts pressure on them to sign on the rangers terms and not theirs
@Bring back Langdon@mmars79 That's what negotiations are about, he has to come up with his highest bid, and then work from there. It just seems the media is blowing this thing up where the Rangers don't even want to negotiate, and thats BS.
It seems the number is going to be between 30 mil to 35 mil to get Cally signed.
The recapture rule (or ateast the calculator on cap geek) only applies to contracts signed pre-lockout. Notice you can pick Rick Nash or Brad Richards, but not Hank of McD.
That's my point, I at least, keep thinking we'll be putting ourselves in the same situation with Cally or Girardi 4 years from now, that we're in with Richards now, but cap-wise, at least, we're not.