The New York Rangers (20-20-2) lost to the Pittsburgh Penguins (30-12-1) by the score of 5-2, tonight. For a box score, go to Yahoo! Sports.
Before I get to the recap, Derek Dorsett is out 4-6 weeks with a broken fibula after blocking a first period shot.
...i can take a loss. I really can. The Penguins are better than the Rangers, so I'm really not surprised they lost, but where is this team's balls? The Penguins absolutely manhandled the Rangers from one end of the ice to the other. Eff passion and emotion, how about some dignity? It's baffling how an entire team can sit there and watch the Penguins run roughshod over them with zero response. Embarrassing.
...Zuccarello is excused from everything written above.
...and I'm really getting sick and tired of the Nash apologists. What exactly has this guy done in a Rangers uniform that warrants any kind of defense from Blueshirt fans? I don't care that no one around him is producing. If he's truly the elite player we all expected, he should be bringing up everyone's level of play around him.
...worst part about the loss is that it likely means Del Zotto will be back in the lineup tomorrow.
...so much for the being inspired by the return of their captain.
...i told you guys Richards needed to be the healthy scratch for Callahan tonight. Instead, AV decided to completely revamp a lineup that had shown a ton of chemistry while winning four of their last five games.
...i hate to say it, but I'm not sure it's safe to keep Staal in the lineup. He's vision is obviously still very much compromised as he's lost out there.
...does anyone else see the irony in the Rangers grittiest player breaking their leg blocking a shot tonight?
...we Rangers fans can rip Crosby for whining all we want, but he'd be the toughest player on the Rangers right now.
...wonder how long till Team USA management regrets taking Stepan over Dubinsky?
...the Rangers were so bad tonight they made Pyatt look like a real NHL player.
...I can sit here and blame the players all I want, but the bottom line is that Glen Sather constructed this team. Instead of building on the success of the gritty, blue collar 2011-12 Rangers, he decided to gut the heart and soul of that team and replaced them with losing players. And when his players complained about their winning coach being too tough, he bent over instead of showing those players the door. Disgraceful.
...now that I've gotten that all out of my system. I'm still not ready to blow this team up just yet. Let's remember that the Rangers have still won four of their last six games and a win tomorrow against the Leafs will make tonight's abomination a distant memory. Despite pretty much every player other than Zuccarello and Talbot underachieving this season, the Rangers are somehow just two points out of a playoff spot. Let's see where this team is at the trade deadline and take it from there.
Post game talk...
ATT: C Dolan
They play good , they play bad, They are like a lot of teams in a cap league, it is designed to be like that. so what do need to overcome that, a good organization, sadly this is what frustrates me the most.
The Giants tortured my father for 20 yrs with sold out games and losing seasons. Finally ownership stepped up in the 80's. The Rangers organization has tortured me for longer, even without Sather. Sure there were some good years but there was no depth to the club, shit drafts, players, money, always sacrificed for the newest flavor which was a crap shoot with a lot of 7 outs, i.e. see recent: Richards, Nash, Gaborik etc,,
There can be things to complain about last night playing against a team with strong, deep organization but for me it just reminds me of the organization I am stuck with as a fan of the Rangers and hopelessness.
Thankfully they play the Leafs with almost as fucked up organization worth i think more than the Rangers so i can go back to complaining about the small thing like Nash, Richards, MDZ, Boyle etc....
how about this, let's see if we can get the two sutters that are in the league to new york. that would be a start just because of the blood lines, sort of a jump start, build a team around that type of attitude. if they have the same attitudes as their dads you could start there and let that seep into the other players so they don't become embarrased. as i've said before these guys make way too much $$$ without having to earn it. by the way, i'll give nash a pass right now because of his concussion, he has no one to help protect him, a la,( mcgratten or boll). he also needs a speed centre to open up some space for him but it wouldn't bother me to see brad r, henrik, ( because of his contract ) or anyone who can't put out an effort to get the heck out of here. just think of the $$$ that could be used for those who do want to play instead of being idols. also if any body thinks that dolan is going to change things internally it's probably not going to happen as long as they keep us, as fans, paying THEIR PRICES and buying THEIR STUFF !!! YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE .
Every season there's good teams and bad teams. There is no one simple formula for a great team but it does start with upper management, especially in these salary cap years. There is so much more to consider than one dimension of a team - like "we need toughness" or "we need skilled grinders" or "we need guys who can score consistently" - Obvi - everyone does. Unfortunately here in "Rangertown" we
don't have the personnel. not here and not in the minors. we have nothing to offer other teams tradewise really - not without shooting ourselves in the foot. (that does not include MDZ!) So this season's mess will not change. There is no magic wand our wonderfully sh*tty out of touch GM can wave. He and Dolan have backed us into a corner. This will be a lost season.The players need to perform better for sure, but this group of players assembled for us can't seem to get it done. And we have little to no cap room. That's on your GM. It's easy to immediately blame the coach but no one here knows what AV is really like unless you're privy to some info that no one else is or you're in the locker rooms or at practices. You don't need to yell and scream on the bench or at the cameras to be a good coach.
As fans we can second guess lineup moves all we want, that's our prerogative but it's tough to judge a new coach on 40 games, especially one that was pretty successful elsewhere. (albeit with a better roster) The sad fact is that the Rangers are good enough to beat the other weak teams in the division and to linger around the 8th spot - same as we have been for most of Sather's tenure but that's it. Maybe we're only allowed to win every 54 years. Happy New Year!
@TheNYRBlog they have got to change this team Kevin but where can he start to construct trades?
@TheNYRBlog enjoyed the read. Highlights, lol!! Another night awaits us as to what team will show up. 2 words.. Bipolar meds
@TheNYRBlog I don't believe the blame rests entirely on Sather. Sather's share at 49%. Majority on coaching and plyer desire and perform.
@TheNYRBlog How many times in 13 years has that been an applicable statement? I'd say around 1000.
I honestly can't remember the last time the Rangers were "competitive" in a losing effort. Maybe the Thanksgiving game vs. Boston but that would be a stretch.
@TheNYRBlog How many times in 13 years has that been an appliccable statement? Probably around 1,000, I'd say.
@TheNYRBlog Kevin, as Victor Laszlo said to Rick in Casablanca: "Welcome to the fight. This time I know our side will win."
@TheNYRBlog which is why I wonder how fans are surprised at this. Keep watching and this continues
@TheNYRBlog A good team for Torts but Hank wouldn't sign if he didn't get fired and Dolan wanted to sell more jerseys, sucks
@TheNYRBlog I think Glen Sather has some engineers working on the only solution for NYR.. a time machine that takes us back 2 years
@TheNYRBlog right on. My dad whose been a ranger fan for 50+ years has always argued that Sather was the problem
@TheNYRBlog I blame lack of passion and energy from the coach. If Torts was too hard on them, AV seems too relaxed.
This team is tough to watch .......well said by McPhee...... If we as fans see the flaws why can't management - very frustrating
@TheNYRBlog sather's still here because his boss puts $$$ over championships.
Well, exactly what I warned about when I first joined this blog has fully come to pass. The first warning flag went up when Oprik nailed Kreider last January.....and there was no response by any Ranger player.
As I said then.."this team is all-world soft...and every coach and player in this league will take notice and start taking runs at our skilled players."
Anyone who has ever played this game or watched enough hockey over the years could see what was transpiring.........the warning flags were all over the place.
Why did Capuano dress Carkner and Boulton to go along with Matt Martin when they Islanders last played us? Why were Tanner Glass and Deryk Engellend dressed last night? I mean..other than Dorsett...we had no toughness in the line-up in those games. Why not bench those tough players against us?
Answer: Because the book is out on the Rangers....you can beat us by being physical. Pure and simple.
And if Sather and AV think that teams are going to show mercy on us by taking their toughness out of the line-up.....they are sorely mistaken.
There is a balance in hockey.....skill and physicality. You have to have a combination of both to be successful. The Rangers balance is so out of whack....you now have to be concerned for the safety of players at this point.
Torts needed to go because he lost sight of the physical intangibles of the game. And because of Tort's abrasiveness....Sather went too far in the other direction by bringing in AV......passionless and emotionless....and I won't even address AV's leadership skill...lol. The inmates are now running the asylum...so to speak.....and there is ZERO accountability. And I'm not talking about benching a guy like DZ....who keeps making mistake after mistake...that's easy to do.
I'm talking about having accountability for the physical side of the game. You have to throw the body....you have to stand up for your teammates. And if you can't do that....you don't play. Coach Capuano does it with his Islanders squad. He stresses hitting and playing with desperation on every shift. If certain players start slacking off in that regard.....Cap benches them. It's his way.....or you don't play. Period. End of story. That, my friends, is called accountability. And its also one form of leadership as a head coach.
Now, a coach can make his team try to hit....and try to be physical. But one thing a coach can't do....and that's be a DETERRENT.
1) de·ter·rent: deterrent; plural noun: a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.
This is where personnel comes into play. We have no DETERRENT.
When I played...if you took liberties with me....there were repercussions for your actions. If you took liberties against my skilled players....there were repercussions. It all depended on what I deemed was the penalty for your "infraction". If you cleanly hard hit one of my skill players...my next shift...I try to lay you out....or lay out one of your skilled players. Cheap shot or work over roughly one of my guys.....i work you over with my fists...or stick. Maybe I take you to the boards and give you a stick to the mouth...knocking a few teeth out.
It doesn't matter if I'm challenged....or if I lose a fight....or if I'm thrown out of the game....because the law had been laid down...and going forward teams know...when I'm in the line-up...there will be a price to be paid for your actions against my teammates. My presence in the line-up.....keeps opposing players "honest". That is DETERRENCE.
Who is the DETERRENT on this Ranger squad? We don't have one.
And until Sather addresses this....it will keep getting uglier and uglier. And if you think last night's game was bad....Game 42....wait until GAME 62 and further on.....when teams start getting desperate to make the playoffs. It will be a bloodbath for us. Because if I'm on the opposing team....and my team's playoff hopes are on the line.... I'm taking runs at every skilled player the Rangers have.....Zucc...Nash...Kreider....Hags....Stepan...Richards...etc
I will keep imposing my will as best I can.....until someone DETERS me from doing so. It's not personal....it's business.
Think intimidation and hard hits won"t work? Has Boyle been the same player since the hit in the Sens series? Has Nash been the same player since the Lucic hit last year and the hit earlier this year?
Sather....get the proper personnel in the line-up asap. AV....use and motivate the personnel properly. It's that freaking simple.
A big part of this is the Jimmy Dolan Factor (JDF). Just look at the Knicks. It isn't about heart and soul players, it's about the biggest name available at any given time. See: Stoudemire, Carmelo. Guys like David Lee and Jeremy Lin? see, ya, Jimmy likes his toys shiny and new, the newest on the block! Same goes for the Rangers. Knock Sather all you want, but the team paradigm starts at the top and as long as Jimmy D is at the helm it will never be about heart and soul players, it will be about the toys, shiny and new, whatever the biggest name is available at any given time. And Jimmy ain't going anywhere.
The players lacking desire were brought here by Sather so all blame goes to him
@Illuminatti2011 He's the one constant the last 13 years.
@IsMarsReadyYet@TheNYRBlogYou are being much too harsh.....perhaps 999 but a 1000 now really?
Wait until both the rangers and Knicks miss the playoffs - Dolan may finally react after revamping the garden with millions of dollars then having an empty garden .....he is such a clown he will see it as an opportunity to lure people for concerts
Genesis....nicely done Worlds.
What? Only Dorsett for toughness? I beg to differ, we have Zucc!!!! Uh right. Why don't I just shoot myself now. Yeah writing was clearly on the wall last season. NYR = Estrogen on ice. Next edition if the NY Ice follies tonight. And you know what? I won't be watching.
I think Dubi said it well. The NYR (under Dolan/Slats) always seem to like the "shiny new toy" instead of the proven, reliable, good quality toy that's been with you and never let you down. But the shiny new toy puts people in the seats, so why would Dolan change? I've said it before. Much easier for the NYR to go get the shiny new toy every year, instead of trying to build a championship team (which is much harder), if you're gonna sell the seats regardless.
@TheNYRBlog did you mean Carcillo? :)
@TheNYRBlog@Illuminatti2011Any team in any sport in any business in any arena that focuses on measured performance is always....always....always a exact reflection of it's senior management.
@TheNYRBlog true story. Just saying everyone getting paid nicely. Time for a change? Agreed. Happy New Year buddy!
But there's the problem. The seats at MSG always sell unless there's an economic crash like a couple of years ago. How the Garden sells it's seats is more dependent on whether NYC has money to spend vs. the actual quality of the teams. I remember going to NYR games in the late 90's/early 2000s and all the seats were filled, despite terrible teams.
I'd rather have Peter Gabriel out there than half this team. "Don't you know you gotta shock the monkey" :)
AV refuses to play any real toughness.... He plays Pyatt every night and sits the young kids. SEE Miller Miclrath....Mashinter......
AV is not I repeat NOT the coach for this team or any team he suck balls