Alain Vigneault announced after practice today that Derek Dorsett will have more x-rays on his broken leg tomorrow but is "coming along" & is "on schedule to play" after Olympic break.
Dorsett broke his leg blocking a shot during a January 3rd contest against the Penguins. The injury was initially said to take 4-6 weeks to heal.
...oh yeah, Derek Dorsett. Forgot about that guy.
...Carcillo has done an amazing job replacing Dorsett in the lineup (Carcillo = Avery). So much so, I'd say he's probably going to stay in the lineup once Dorsett is healthy. Meaning Dorsett could either stay in the press box as a healthy scratch or replace Moore or Boyle in the lineup.
...it won't be an easy decision for AV as the fourth line has been very effective since being created after the Carcillo trade.
...or maybe AV looks in another direction for a healthy scratch. Despite his fluky goal on Sunday, it's not like Hagelin has been lighting the world on fire lately.
This one is for BringBackBeukeboom....
""""Dude give it a rest. Haley sucks. 7 pts in 30 games. He's a minus 6. He's 27 years old and 5'10. You must be related to him if you think he's a big leaguer. He's a 3rd liner in the AHL."""""
Ok....I'm going to dismantle your argument piece by piece....so pay attention.
Haley sucks because he has 7 points in 30 Games and is a -6....well....Dorsett has 5 points in 37 games and is a -5....so according to your logic...Dorsett sucks too right?
Dorsett is an agitator....and fighting wise...lightweight class. He has heart...no doubting that. But I'm sure other people were noticing, other than me....that in the several games before he got hurt....he wasn't really doing much hitting. Haley is a more explosive hitter....and a much better fighter than Dorsett.
In the 9 games Haley played with the Rangers...4 shots on goal....20 hits....2 Fights....he averaged a little over 7 minutes of ice time a game. and in a couple of those games..Torts gave Haley over 10 minutes in ice time....and rewarded him a few times by giving him shifts with the top two lines. Do you know what that means.....it means he was playing well.That means he sucks right? Think before you post...lol
Now Haley has improved his game with the Wolfpack....takes defensive faceoffs late in games....has taken on a leadership role....wears an A.
A quote from Captain Cally about Haley when he was brought up as a black ace for last years playoffs.....
"He's the type of guy that brings a lot of energy,'' "He throws his body around. He's one of those sparks, I think, when you're on the ice in the playoffs that you need. It gives a boost to your team when you need it. You know he'll do anything for the team to win. He's a good guy to have in the lineup.''
And a quote from Haley...." "You could put me against anybody and I'm going to do the same things..... I've got one train of thought... Hittin' and bangin' and skatin' hard.''
That's the kind of player you want on your 4th line....and the more of them on the 4th line like that....the better.
I don't understand the love affair with Boyle . Gentle giant who can't put a puck in the net if you put him IN the net...he's ok on D. He can win an occasional face off. I just don't see it, he needs to sit
Great debate! Who will sit??? Boyle? Dorsett? Moore? One of them has to sit if Carcillo plays. Based on reading this blog, there are pros and cons for each player and different situations dictate which combination makes the most sense. I for one, like the Dorsett, Boyle, Carcillo line up. Moore is good, but he seems a step slower, less passionate, less impact than in his earlier days. Not a knock on him, everything is just relative.
Nothing wrong with this. Having a hungry scrappy player in the pressbox is not a bad thing. He'll get his chance. The 4th line should stay together for as long as they are playing well.
Am I missing something? Was dorsett lighting the league on fire before he got hurt? When he's ready to play the odd Mab out should be. ...dorsett. scrappy little dude. But no where near a mist start player.
I'll take Haley over Dorsett 6 days a week...and twice on Sundays. Haley can skate....bigger hitter....much bigger deterrent.
I must admit I was worried about what the comments would say about Dorset replacing Dom Moore, but alas, you folks have restored my faith in society. Dominic Moore is the most undervalued member of this team(maybe not from everyone's posts!). If Dorset plays it must be Boyle who sits. My fear is that it won't be, due to boyles marginal ability to win a face off on a team who has absolutely nobody to do that! Other than that fact he is useless out there, god bless his heart. Moore has him beat in every other aspect, most importantly hockey IQ. It should be obvious to anyone who follows this team closely. Fuhgettabootit...
God bless Dominic Moore
I wouldn't take Moore out. I think he's underrated and he's got good chemistry with Callahan on the PK. Plus he can win faceoffs which is one of the most important things for a fourth line to do. I like Dorsett a lot but I don't see a spot for him unless there's an injury or Cally gets traded or at least until Carcillo gets suspended for doing something dumb and dangerous.
Callahan is going to get traded for prospects and picks and Dorsett will be placed into the lineup on the third line
Dorsett has as much chance of getting in the lineup as Falk. Bad penalties, no production. Carcillo is much better in all phases except pk. Dorsett replace Dom Moore? That's like replacing Rembrandt with Earl Scheib.
I can tell you Sather's thinking on this... 'It ain't my money, and I won't be around in 3 or 4 years when these over-valued contracts become anchors for this team'. - Thanks Glen, you asshole!
The only two Rangers with winning face off percentages are Boyle and Moore. You take either one of them out and you may as well just start on defense every time. I agree with the notion of Dorset sits out until required. Better yet, send him down for a conditioning assignment.
@McPhee37 Great post.... Agree 100%
@Blobby_Granger Perhaps people are down on Boyle because he has a body that can punish, but doesn't really use it that way. He's been pretty good actually for what he can do and it was his open ice hit that sprung Moore for the game winner against the Isles. I don't think anyone here, or in the GMs office is attached to him so he may get moved.
@Blobby_Granger Boyle will be traded for Stewart of St. Loius.... maybe even him and Dorsett for Stewart... no joke.... then Fourth line Stewart, DM and Carcillo
Good point.... go with what has been working till it breaks
I'd start him over a few non physical inconsistent players. ..who at times in multiple games. ..aren't even noticed. ...
Last Dorsett is noticed. hitting. Forchecking. Battling in the corners. And oh yeah that thing most of them don't do. Fight and stick up for other team mates... smh
Dude give it a rest. Haley sucks. 7 pts in 30 games. He's a minus 6. He's 27 years old and 5'10. You must be related to him if you think he's a big leaguer. He's a 3rd liner in the AHL.
Agreed.... DMOORE can do the same thing Boyle does.......and had a better scoring touch than Boyle and whoever can't see that just doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.....
Are you a friend of Dominic Moore? lols.... I like Moore.... he is the sentimental favorite. But when it comes to lighting the fire under the rest of the team, Dorsett is much more effective. He has the balls to fight anyone and sticks up for all his teammates. Remember when he fought John Scott? Yes, that's right THE John Scott, all 6'8" of him vs. 5'10" at best. Dorsett got beat up but he stood up to the Goliath and showed some real courage.... now that is tough!!!!!
@dsclaw88Then who will be the next captain?
gosh i hope not
@shishya100 Would you Put DDorsett in th Lne Up and sit POULIOT.Cant believe POULLY is Still Playing...Move Up Boyle and the 4th Line is Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett I kind of like that Line
@Bring back LangdonHmmm, looking at that chart for Cally he would fall towards the bottom of that list of 6 million cap hitters, but would not be the last player on that list. You are looking at this season alone, please don't, this is not an indication of what he can do moving forward while still having 4 or 5 good seasons in him. Yeah he is on a 45 or so point pace this season, but in the last 3 seasons he has been on a 50+ point pace. You also put his defensive part of this game like killing penalties, last night he was excellent on the PK did not even give the islanders a chance to set up, plus everything else on the ice he does, and it adds his value, but take away for the risk of injury and thats why Cally should get around 5.5 Million for maybe at most 6 years. If they can come to an agreement to knock a year off, and about 500k he will be re-signed, imho.
Agree, BBB.... however, do you remember that fateful Penguins vs. Islanders match up a couple of years ago where Haley basically beat up half the Penguins roster and became a rock star overnight? I loved that. I loved the fact that Haley had the passion and power to make a difference. Not that we want to create brawls in all our match ups, but having a guy in the AHL ready to do battle as needed is a nice insurance policy.
We are not of relation, but I will say I'm partial to him. His play on the ice is worthy of that. He does the little things. For example watch the carcillo goal. Very much about dom Moore . Watch his game away from puck also. Tough is nice, but hockey teams need players. Just my opinion.
I see Dorsett in a rotation.
@mmars79@Bring back LangdonCally will get most if not all of his $ and his years from teams that use a defense first strategy. That is where Cally will bring the most value. Cally's value is slipping under AV because Cally's value does not fit well with a more offensive brand of hockey that AV coaches. So the questions are "how bad does he want to win the Cup?" and "Does he think the present group of center icemen can bring the Cup to NY?"
@Betweentheworlds A wise man once said we attract what/who we are. Sather always and still does think he is a marque player, coach, GM, president. That is why he surrounds himself with what he thinks is Marque people (players and bosses.) I think there have been some aberrations but overall he has been very consistent.
I loved Sather as a player, which reminds me BigApple, how does a guy who played a hard game build a soft team? We agree experience is the greatest teacher. Ahem Glen...
@EHBIGAPPLE@mmars79@Bring back Langdon I think Cally fits in well with AV's system, AV has trusted Cally in those defensive and offensive last min or two min situations. I've also seen him make more plays and create more offense. Cally has been back for 14 games now, it took Nash about 20+ to really get going. His offense is average right now but he is a couple of multi-point games from getting back on track to a good PPG average.Also, Cally has not been on the PP to cash in on those points, which had nothing to do with his play.