Yesterday, Adam put together an outstanding post on what the Rangers could look like as sellers at the trade deadline this March.
The two names that caused the biggest reaction were Ryan Callahan and Dan Girardi. They represent the heart and soul of the current Rangers team, and at the ages of 28 and 29 respectively are still in their prime.
However, Callahan has proved to have durability issues, while Girardi hasn't been a great fit for Alain Vigneault's up tempo game plan.
So, Rangers management is going to have a real dilemma on their hands come trade deadline time. Deal two of the franchise's most popular players in an effort to re-stock the organization with an eye towards the future or re-sign both to remain cornerstones of the organization while filling in the missing pieces around them.
Larry Brooks at the New York Post reports that there has been no evidence to suggest that Glen Sather is making either of them available at this time, while Katie Strang at ESPN says the Rangers have had discussions with Callahan but they have been "very off and on" with long periods in between without much communication.
...i really think there's two layers to Callahan and Girardi's futures with the Rangers. First is their contract demands. If either think they're going to get a seven-year Lundqvist-type extension, they're crazy and should start packing their bags now. However, if they're realistic and can be open to a three to four year contract then I think they'll find the management will be very receptive to extending both players at a fair cost. If Callahan and Giradi take hard stands on the terms, then I think they'll force Sather to move each of them before the trade deadline. I'm sorry, you don't pay players for past performances. You pay them for how they can help you moving forward. And with the abuse their bodies have taken over the years, they both have Chris Drury drop off written all over them. I know they're fan favorites, but it's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.
...the other factor will be the Rangers spot in the standings. Like it or not, if the Rangers are in the playoff mix, no matter how mediocre they or the Eastern Conference is, Sather isn't selling. But if somehow the wheels fall off, Sather could find himself with no other option than to begin a rebuild around a new core comprised of Hank, Nash, Stepan and McDonagh. Not exactly the worst option in the world, especially considering the amount of cap space they'll have this offseason by not re-signing those two along with the Richards buyout.
Meanwhile, Dave Pagnotta at The Fourth Period reports that the Rangers were among numerous teams with a scout at the Maple Leafs/Sabres game last night.
...MOULSON & OTT!!!!!!!
Actually, in later tweets, Pagnotta added that it doesn't sound like the Sabres are close to moving Moulson, however, lots of teams are calling. In regards to Ott, former Ranger Matt Barnaby tweeted that he loves Buffalo, but he wants to win.
For my thoughts on the Rangers possibly acquiring Moulson and Ott, click here.
I don't understand the rangers logic by signing a 31yr old goalie but wanting to let cally and girardi walk/trade. Are they rebuilding or trying to win a cup? Because they are confusing the hell out of me now.
This crazy obsession fans have with their stars cracks me up. And please let's not talk about "character" anymore...especially as it relates to dollars and cents...just stop. No one has any effing idea what the character of these guys is, or how it is picked up, ignored, or echoed in the clubhouse. John Lackey was perceived to be a clubhouse cancer for so long....that is until he was considered to be one of the guys instrumental to clubhouse chemistry...LOL. We have no clue about character. We can though see if someone's energy and enthusiasm and sacrifice is mirrored in others on the team. It still may not be directly related but shit...at least you can see it. And so far as Cally goes...it is not. No one loves how Cally plays more than me, but we have seen him give it all on nights when the team is flat...and the team just stays flat. Why...who the fuck knows, but there it is. And so far as why people are fighting to hold together what has been a middling team over the last couple of years is beyond me....sure, don't break THIS Murderer's Row up....noooo...they're too good. You roll the dice while breaking this team up and what are you worried about...becoming the SAME level of incompetence? No...better to marry yourself in years and dollars to the same guys that have brought you toooooo...a barely over .500 team that CLEARLY can't compete against the upper echelon??? Bright.
Cally being injury prone is utter BS. Injury prone is not a player throwing his body around, blocking shots and getting to altercations and paying the price for that occasionally. Injury prone is a player like Forsberg who got injured constantly without playing a major physical game. (Nothing against Forsberg as a player but he was the poster child for injury prone)
It's kind of scary that people are saying that a big reason Cally should go is he is injury prone but let's build the team around a player with 2 concussions in a very short period of time. Along that line of thinking we have a player is who possibly one hit from retiring or never playing the same way again, which we got a glimpse of this last time. We should trade him for what value he has right now with that line of thinking.
Having said all that Cally is character player who means a lot to an organization and the team around him, he builds the team and the fans up around his play but he is not a superstar and he should not be payed the same as the guy flirting with 45 to 50 goals a season. He deserves a good paycheck that factors in his intangibles. My opinion is 5 to 5.5 Mill for 4 or 5 seasons max. There are very few players deserving max contract in my opinion. No matter how good you are your just a major injury away from being a different player who is an albatross, plus age catches everyone.
And paying a player a big contract and a lengthy one is a sign of what have you done for me today and yesterday and not tomorrow. Saying anything else is pretty much a lie. If your saying that then you are saying you think they can keep there current stat or better them over the life of that contract and while it rarely happens it's pretty much pie in the sky thinking. Anybody who thinks Hank will be the same goaltender the last few years of his contract is most likely very wrong. But he got the length because that's the only way we could keep him for what he does now because the competition for his skills now drove the price for his future play up.
Remember right now good players don't always get payed for the way they are playing now. We heard it here during the Stepan contract and accepting Bridge contracts. Although he sure isn't proving a big raise was in order right now.
New core including Stepan...gross. I would rather have Bobby Ryan or Kyle Okposo...oh wait, that's the Olympics...
Any and all moves we make or don't make will be a reflection of what Sather wants or doesn't want. There is much real good hockey sense past around here. My frustration over far too many years has been the absence of a clear-cut articulated Vision by Sather on How he is going to lead the NYR to the promise land......please help me....somebody....anybody...please?
I agree with you 100%... We do have a #1 center who is really a good #2 and no sniper type winger. If either of those issues could be addressed at the deadline, I should think that all bets would be off
I really hope Cally doesn't go the way for Drury. When you look at it, they are very similar players in both their talent, physicality, attitude, and career arcs thus far. Isn't surprising that Drury was a huge mentor to Cally in his time with the NYR. Of course, Drury's knees went, and so did his effectiveness and his career. Hope Cally doesn't do the same with his multitude of injuries.
"I know they're fan favorites, but it's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back."
...unless the name on the back of the jersey moves more jerseys, t-shirts, sweathshirts, photos, programs, bobbleheads, hats, foam fingers, sodas, hot dogs, beers, peanuts, popcorn, cotton candy, etc. Then, to Dolan, the name on the back is more important...
@Say my NameThe voice of "effing reason"....love your ideas. It's like getting your wake-up call at The Marriott with a sledge hammer. Love your comment on Lackey and character.....so true!
Your right I much rather be a perpetually rebuilding team like the oilers or a team going after every has been superstar like earlier so successful pre cap Rangers teams. We don't win cups because the Owner, GM and Fans don't have the patience and will power to do it right. So we all sit here fighting about the best way to rearrange the deck chairs here on the titanic. I have been a fan since the early 80's we did it right once and even then there were patience issue but we got lucky and got the cup. So now we repeat our mistake a wait another 40 years.
@Pvelyk Does it really matter how they get injured? Callahan could miss 40 games because he blocked a shot with his face. Or he could miss 40 games because he fell down the stairs. Either way he missed 40 games, and that's the problem.
Forsberg didn't play a physical game? I'm astounded at that assertion. The man who invented the counter-hit?! Wow.
I agree that PF was injury prone, however. Indeed, I think he had some architectural defects that made injuries inevitable.
And Cally gets hurt in the flow of the game.
@Pvelyk He didn't call Cally injury prone, he said he has durability issues (which is true)... Big difference. Cally, as much as we all love him, has sat out almost a third of our games this year. That's not exactly textbook durability.
Yeah, he's had half of a bad year. He must suck. Ah, memory.
When Sather got here he was like a rap star in a strip club, just throwing money all over the place. I think the cap has reeled him in to some extent. It looks to me like the organization is trying to build a team around speed. The guys they're been drafting are fast with good instincts. It looks to me like the "plan" is to keep a core group together (Hank, McDonagh, Stepan, Nash, Hags, Zucc?, Cally?), add some young speedsters (Kreider, Fast, Miller, Kristo, Lindberg), and then supplement the rest via trades or free agency. If that's it, then I think it's a solid strategy. Whether or not they have the right players is a different topic.
Gaborik has fallen from grace in Columbus. If we could get him back for a reasonable price that could put us over the top.
You can't compare them, Drury had some kind of degenerative condition in his knee.Cally has gotten hurt mostly from blocking shots, and AV is not like Torts when it comes to blocking shots.
His last injury he has come back, and has been one of our better forwards.
...and this, my friends, is ultimately why Hank got the contract he got.
Callys name is in the top 10 in Nhl in jersey sales, hope that means he still can be moved, because in another 2 years he wont be able to on his own without his wheelchair
True but that could be said about every player. To me "durability" or injury proneness is measured not in one season and is also measured based upon the style or play or a person. There are jobs in this world that people get more injured compared to the general population, firefighters are a good example. I don't consider them injury prone just someone who is in a position that gives them a more natural chance of injury. Cally's style of play or to me more akin to this example than other players as a general rule. It suck after years of Cally playing this style of play and being heavily applauded for it that he has a year where the odds worked against him heavily that people all of a sudden start dumping on him. Rangers fans myself included have a short memory and little patience.
As far as rebuilds go I laughter the notion. Since I have been a fan the Rangers have never had a true rebuild, the owners and fans patience doesn't allow it. The closest we have had was this current group and they blew that rebuild up with Nash and Richards. We get close to the cup with a home grown team and instead of small tinkering we go out and sign big name stars who are no longer on the rise but at best are at the start of their decline. Where did we get with that plan?
As far as Forsberg goes he would never be billed as a power forward or physical player throwing checks around both ends of the rink and blocking shots. He was amazingly talented but his injuries will never be a united to his strong physical play.
Not sure what the difference between injury prone and durability issues means in this case. He is getting injured due to style of play is my point. He isn't just a wall flower who gets hurt every time someone touches him. And by your definition why are you not listing Staal and Nash in the same breath? Both of them give me a lot bigger fears of salary verse playing time than Cally. Nash especially, I have seen this concussion story before with players and that was before hockey and other sports took the concussion thing as serious as they do now. All I am saying is let's put injuries in perspective here.
I just never mentioned anything about
"sucking." My point is that he is not the type of guy you build a team around.
@gravey94@EHBIGAPPLE Hey I like your use of similes and metaphors they are quite humorous especially when you get a little heated.....all good here gravey94 I respect all that....do you write professionally?
Back to hockey and your comments to me....I agree with you. Your assessment is accurate I just don't know if Sather sees it as clearly as you and that is a compliment to you. If that is Sather's plan then he has to get effective and efficient drafting strategies in place and I don't think he has that kind of methodical approach about anything he does.
My other concern (regarding the Cap) is the type of player you accurately describe is coveted by all teams and will probably never see the light of day in FA (will get early extensions from their parent team)
My final concern (regarding the Cap) is that trades are becoming more and more about "problem solving and hope" (trading team headaches hoping for relief) and less and less about improving team performance.
Gaborik is a horrible, horrible idea. Please god, no. Not another player like him. Ever.
Why would anyone suggest that we add yet ANOTHER streaky skill player who never hits who is on the downside of his career, deeply injury prone, and probably a head case to boot. Seriously? He makes a gritless situation worse, comes with a price tag and takes valuable minutes away from players who might throw a body check, or play a little defense from time to time.
Ha, thanks, but no, the only writing I do is on this blog and the endless emails I send in my job!.
As as Sather's drafting strategies, I think they (he and Don Maloney) definitely blew a good chance after the 2004 season since they had a couple of 1st round picks that didn't pan out. They kinda got screwed in the 2005 draft because they had the 6th worst record in the league, but ended up getting the 16th draft position. Then they had some terrible luck in 2007 when Cherapanov passed away. After that, they haven't had very high 1st round picks and I think they've done OK with what they've had to deal with. Gordie Clark is a big reason for that.
As far as FA and trades, FA is always going to be an overpay route, so he needs to do that ONLY when there is an absolute need for a type of player. Trades beyond what you describe will happen, but it has to be the right match like the Nash trade...1 team needs to get rid of a player but there are only 1 or 2 others that could take them on. We can always dream that something like that will happen again with the likes of Toews or Stmkos ;-)
Eklund had something on it not too long ago... ill try to find the link. For the nay sayers he would be off the books after this season. Short term solution nonetheless.
Which is why he should not get more than 5 years, but has earned that at least to stay on this team, imo.
thats because he had the surgery in offseason timing is everything, but having played pro baseball and have a shoulder and knee problems I can tell you first hand that shoulder will change the way he plays,you can see it now, plus shooting and hitting he can seperate it and the pain you have even after the surgery. he is damaged goods
How much time did he miss from that Shoulder injury? 4 Games maybe? If he is not blocking as many shots, chances are he is not going to end up on the IR
Again its hard to say how a prospect will pan out on the big stage of the NHL, but it seems like other teams are finding these pieces who immediately transition into the professional game seamlessly. Why cant we do the same?
Oh ok, sorry I misread what you said then.
Rangers can't trade away their talent for prospects who may not be fully ready for the NHL for years. Every year wasted is another prime year off of Nash and Lundqvist.
What this organization really has to start doing is work from within by doing their homework regarding the next few draft classes. The natural cycle of any NHL team is have a basic core in place and have these young guys who 1) will be making less cap wise, and 2) be able to assimilate almost immediately to the style the team embodies. Best example of this is the Chicago Blackhawks.
Anywhere between 5 and 5.5M is fair imo. As you approach 6M per it gets a little dicey, although that could look like a bargain a few years from now when players like cally are getting 7+M per year with the rising cap.
in 3 years hes your fourth line winger/pker making that much. thats why boyle gets what he gets and is worth it
I agree with that too. I have a Cally jersey, the guy is a great NYR. Injuries definitely hurt his value in the current negotiations but I definitely wouldnt be upset if he gets signed long term for a smaller cap hit.
I agree if he actually played more than half a season and he took 5mm over 3 years with a team option on the fourth
If that is true, it adds more value to Cally then. You go to a game, most people who have a Jersey are wearing #24, and yeah he is like # 8 in the entire league in Jersey sales. That is huge there.