The New York Rangers (27-23-3) lost to the St. Louis Blues (34-11-5) by the score of 2-1, tonight. For a box score, go to Yahoo! Sports.
...i really want to give St. Louis credit tonight. I really do. They gave the Rangers no room in the offensive end and clogged up the neutral zone. You could tell that Hitchcock had his team dedicated defensively after giving up seven goals to the Devils Tuesday night. But I'm sorry, except for the final 10 minutes of the second period the Rangers battle level was not even close to where it needed to be to defeat a team of the caliber of the Blues.
...having said that, the game was still tied in the third period and if the Rangers could have taken advantage of their power play opportunities and Halak's horrific rebound control they probably could have won. So please, if you're going to start panicking about this team again, it can't be after this game.
...damn Rick Nash, where you been hiding that bomb of a shot?
...i told you last game to keep an eye on the Rangers players possibly deferring to a dominate Nash to their detriment. Well, over the last three games, Nash has five of the Rangers eight goals and the team is 1-2-0. Noticed on a few occasions tonight Kreider and Stepan forcing him the puck.
...Klein was very steady and dependable in his Rangers debut. And from everything I've read on him, we better get used to it.
...while the Rangers have found themselves on the wrong end of every goal off a skate review this season, I feel Toronto has gotten all of them correct. Redirection, not distinct kicking motion on Steen tally tonight.
...with Klein on his right side, Moore seemed much more confident offensively tonight.
...can you say "Curse of the Del Zotto?"
...tonight, my friend suggested I dig into my bag of tricks and write a post on stripping Callahan of the "C" to get him jump started. Could you imagine the riot that would cause on Reddit?
...not sure about you guys, but I'm looking forward to rooting for Backes, Oshie and Shattenkirk to bring home the gold for Team USA.
...so are we bringing back "Poopsalot?"
...just when you think you can't respect Zuccarello anymore, he crushes the 6-3 Backes in the corner and then gives him this face immediately afterward (via Marty Biron Tumblr)...
...this is the second straight game I'm letting the Rangers off the hook for a loss. But God help me if they lose to the Devils Sunday at Yankee Stadium, I'll have the entire team traded by the end of my recap.
Post game talk...
Micheletti was beside himself last night at the stat the the Blues scored for the 15th time in the opening 10 seconds of a PP. What a concept they've got: They win the draw back to a defenseman, who takes a shot once a forward gets in front of the net. Amazing! (sarcasm)
Our PP has been great of late, I really shouldn't be complaining, but despite our greatly improved stats, there are still times we spend opportunity after opportunity just fighting to gain the zone with possesion,then we pass it around horn for 30 seconds before our first shot inevitably goes wide. Just goes to show there's still room for improvement.
Agreed not time to push the panic button after 2 loses but the thing that bothers me about these loses and a number of others over the course of the season is the inability to retain either a one goal lead or tie thru the 3rd period. How many games have we lost outright where we have led or been tied in the 3rd. That's a lot of points we have coughed up. That has not happened over the several seasons.
For the time being until Sather gets us some actual physical presence on this team, D Moore should be scratched and Haley should be called up. Move Boyler back to center. Undersized, yes. But Haley can hang with most. Ive always liked what I saw from him.
Wow the Blues look like linebackers on skates. Just imagine if JD was here last 5-6 years.
Did Torts sneak in and help with the PP last night.
Did they have a 4 line last night? Maybe Torts again?
I think garden was so quiet I could hear Kevin Shattenkirk family and friends cheering on TV.
I think outside a couple glaring or Girarding mistakes, they had their chances and didn't finish against a tough defense.
That being said I do think they need a 4 line that can make a difference in games like last night. That has some size and talent, I won't include Boyle because he has to be the smallest 6'7 player there could be possible who seems to spend a lot of time on the ice which would make him about a foot tall.
We could have had ken hithCOCK as a coach, but he is not player friendly.....boo freakin hooo...mediocre hockey is so fun to watch....well gonna watch another 1994 documentory on the rangers on MSG. who was the coach? A very player friendly guy right?????
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/future-watch-mackinnon-and-5-others-who-bypass-the-top-50/ This says it all about our drafting. NOT 1 Ranger makes this list
First off, I was lucky enough to be at last nights game in one of the corporate suites through tickets from a family member. Those new suites are RIDICULOUS! Unlimited food and beer is definitely nice, although I have to say most of the people in suite had no idea a hockey game was going on. All just shmoozing and whatnot. With that said, the place was wayyy too quiet. There truly is no advantage for our boys playing at home anymore.
From my vantage point it seemed like we had the momentum the first 10 minutes of the game until STL scored their fluky goal, then it was all downhill from there. Mac and Girardi seemed off the whole night, and ultimately their gaffes cost us the game. Well Nash taking the stupid penalty didnt help either.
The scouting report on the Rangers is way too easy. Limit space/apply pressure and we crumble. AV has this team going in the right direction but he needs to adapt to his opponents style of play. Last night we just got out muscled but a big, faster, and stronger team. However, if we would have attempted playing a physical style I think we easily could have won.
Next few games are big if we want to stay in the hunt... See you outdoors on Sunday!
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-will-shea-weber-be-traded/ now lets package girardi and everyone but mcd and kreider for this guy
As you can see by the chart the Rangers are a pretty big team. This team has a size issue, but it is the size of the heart. Again...it is the Island of Misfit Toys I wrote about earlier. They have huge hearts in little bodies and little hearts in big bodies. THAT is not on the coach. That is on Sather. I love the Klein pick-up, but all too often Sather has been trying to assemble an orchestra with nothing but violins, violas and flutes. Dude...get your ass over to Avery Fisher Hall. You need some bass, cellos and timpani drums. This ain't rocket surgery. lol
Last night was an example of how Vancouver. Would be eliminated from the playoffs......and why AV was fired from there...... He had no answer... for the blues game plan
that's playoff hockey.....physical.. shrinking the ice old school hockey
Not this European shit AV plays
Stepan,Girardi miller and a 2nd rounder for Bieska and kessler and a prospect. but then what would we bitch about afterwards? I guess cally and boyle will have to do
Good taste of a playoff-style game last night. I actually thought the Rangers played pretty well, but they definitely need to capitalize on rebound opportunities. Last night they desperately needed a garbage goal guy and he just wasn't there. Guys like Cally, Hagelin, Boyle, and Pouliot need to step up in games like this, especially when the playoffs arrive. Seemed like every shot was 1 and done. They had 34 shots, but I bet there was only a handful of rebound shots. Other than that, I thought it was a pretty even game. Rangers D was good, Hank was good, offense was good in spurts, but they needed that dirty goal. BTW, how many friggin' posts is Kreider gonna hit this year? He's gotta be up near double digits in that department. Talk about a game of inches.
Effort was high last night. It's easy to mistake getting beaten on puck battles and generally outmuscled for a lack of effort. The Rangers tried to play their game. The Blues snuffed that by physically refusing them the middle of the ice. Then the Rangers adjusted and tried to fight thru the physicality. The Blues are just better at this style.
The only negative that people should take away is that the Rangers are NOT as good as the Blues. Their style is capable of being countered by teams at this level.
We will have less trouble with Chicago and Pittsburgh-like teams than the blues bruins ducks kings etc. The Rangers are not in that class of physical, playoff-oriented teams. We can only play one way well. There is no point in attacking the individuals on the team and the coach for simply not being as good. We still have a few adjustments to make to achieve a competitive level of physicality. Until then you all can drive yourselves insane over legitimate losses to elite teams. Nothing's gonna change.
Like my buddy @AG_Blue implied last night. I choose to enjoy my team for what it is -- and I'm proud of the team the last few weeks.
I would never have guessed this would be your position. ;)
@Snot-Bubblertorts wasnt exactly player friendly
It's good to hear the in-person viewpoint. Thanks. It seemed at a certain point in the 2nd period, the Rangers DID adjust and try to compete in the physical style. They did better but still were outclassed. Does that seem accurate to you?
Your spot on. I think thats the key. We need to be adaptable against an opponent like STL we need to play a more physical game, period. Its definitely a team effort but a guy like Carcillo who we brought here not score goals and get assists but to just play physical, instigate, fight if needed - game in , and game out. If he’s not going to play like that and instead pull an Asham 2.0, there is no place for him here. The Philly game he played awesome and gave us that contagious spark that got the whole team playing physical (even DZ). Our skill alone will no doubt beat inferiorteams but we can’t be one dimensional. If Sather and AV take this organization seriously and want to win a stanley cup, our physical deficiencies need to be addressed ASAP.
@Bring back Langdon And this says it all in that article:
Having battled their way back into playoff contention, the Rangers won’t trade away a key player like Girardi. Playoff revenue is more important to their ownership than a return of draft picks and prospects for one of their best defenseman, even at the risk of losing him to free agency in July.
It's because of this ownership and Sather that the Rangers will never be great or terrible ... Just average
Just a few more pieces and this will balance, jmac -- at least I hope. Some of the big bodies that don't fight can play a little more balls-out with some real protection in the line-up. Right now, it's hard to find the heavyweights who can play. Only dumb teams will let them go cheap.
@Say my NameWell said and thank you for the key info. Your ideas underline why AV was fired from Vancouver and hired by NYR and why Torts left NY and why he was hired so quickly by the Canucks.....different strategies going in different directions.
Every team in the playoffs will play us like the Blues did last night and they will successfully take away what little heart this team has!
basically what they did in 94' and look how that turned out
I really can’t stand this style that AV plays. Its too one dimensional. I like the offensive scheme AV has but when it comes to the physical game, this guy has no clue. We are lucky the game ended 2-1. At points it looked like boys vs men out there. This guy needs to wake up if we want to be serious contenders.
I had a similar assessment to the game as well. Only thing I would have liked to see was more NYR crashing the net, fighting to get to those loose rebounds left by Halak. And seriously...Kreider gets half of those "posts" shots this year, he's in the 20 goal range right now.
@HotfreakThere is nothing more enjoyable then winning the Cup. Every fan wants what they want. I accept that. I want a real winner for NYR I don't just want to participate. I want to win!. That is what my Uncle George and Cousin Michael J taught me.
watched the highlights. Girardi was responsible for both goals... an awful turnover at the blueline led to the first one... then he did not clear the crease resulting in the second. Just saying
thats all fine and good but whats their excuse for having only 1 win vs the Devils, Isles, And Columbus in 8 tries? i don't buy it. They need to be better. we will see in the next three games.
It's was plain as day he had no adjustments for the blues. .... i saw when the dmen. JMoore. McD. Would bring up the puck we would trap 1 or 2 of their guys who were over aggressive in our zone and we would get chances.... but no. We would resort to that long pass shit lot AV wants..... This isn't football...... then they would get clogged up and the short passes weren't working.
We had now flow about us...Cause we had no push back or response.... no real forcheck...
Guys gliding back on the fore check or on the offense.....
We have to many soft guys on. Our team....
That's 1/2 our line up. How in the hell are we suppose to win
It's the same way AV played in Vancouver and didn't win shit.... using it why. Cause he is stubborn.....no cups but thinks he is a champion coach. ....
Great coaches adjust to get an edge and win....
So, when you read my post, you think you hear someone saying they are happy with being mediocre? I'm sorry that's what you got out of it.
The truth is that pessimism and negativity bring me down. Hell, they bring everyone down. Not only that, they do NOT lead to accurate estimations of what is needed going forward.
On this board, the prevailing approach is to kneejerk every loss into an apocalypse. It's pointless. It's like waking up in the morning and saying, "Self, I choose to be depressed today."
Many people choose pessimism because it seems to protect from disappointment.
I'm just offering an alternative -- the endless struggle to be objective. Now, I'm not saying I'm objective. It's just that, while I'm certainly a sinner, truth is my god, not the anger, negativity and helplessness that derives from an impossible standard of performance.
The truth is, as I see it, and many others do, that the Rangers need to be a better team. They need personnel changes to be able to compete with the Blues and others. So, while they don't have the personnel, I'm not going to vilify the personnel that they DO have and expect them to be better than they actually are.
I will be a happier person for this.
I'm sorry none of you guys were able to see how hard they played last night -- often against their very natures as non-physical players. It's too bad you can't see the effort that these guys are putting in to entertain you.
enough saying trade giradi in package for either kessler or kane already. sather get it done.kessler btwn nash and kreider holy shit its a wet dream or kane zucc and brassard
I said the same thing on another post. Guys pulling up on checks... reaching with the sticks.. etc..... that's just bullshit... no heart. Lazy hockey
My point is this every successful coach is a great manager...... Let's go by AV history. .....and his coaching style...... He won presidents cup. Had a better talented team. Plating his style out west.... where teams now model themselves after like LA CHI ST Louis Ducks. ....that style was modeled from the east...
AV coming into it knew what he had. But failed to account on who we play through the season but more important who we will play in the playoffs...... He refuses to tweak his system....He refuses to play viable physical players... or even ask for them.... Cause he will sit them on the bench and not play or Dress them....... As his team gets physically abused and humiliated physically. ...
He has some say of who dresses and who plays. So it's not all Sather... He has blame but when it comes game time the guy who decides who dresses and who plays falls on AV and AV alone....
He needs to put his players in areas where u maximize there talents not there faults or weaknesses so there situation can be successful
Ex. How the hell can I have Girardi on a power play and u sit Stralman? Who is a better offensive player... and that's just one example. ..
Changing the defensive scheme was another.... the only issues we had were our dmen were worn out by the 3rd period..... why cause torts didn't play all 6 dmen.... it's clock management. ..all that needed to be changed. ..He didn't need to reinvent the wheel...
He didn't do his homework on his own players as he has admitted....
U have to tweak ur system to what kinda players u have......all nd if u gotta change it. Then so be it.... look at Tampa... they changed their whole system once Stamps went down and look at them now
This guy's is an asshole. He doesn't make adjustments in the game and that's plain to see that he is 1 dementinal. ...the blue exposed us and how to beat us .... As hot as we were....
We have to take the body. Easiest way to win a fight is go on the offensive.... not stay and play defense. .. As u saw last night we skated the puck without passing and St Louis was on its heels
Ha ha, nice analogy, no you can't get a cat to be a dog but still you can get your cat to be a meaner cat. Until help comes the coaching staff has to get. The most with what he has. Play your speed game if that's how you'll win games and get into the playoffs but also make adjustments. Don't be a 2 dimensional coach, oh I don't believe I'm saying that. This was my complaint with Torts only he sees things in 2 different dimensions. Maybe we could marry these 2 guys or morph them into one hell of a head coach.
Could be both, but we'll never know. What I do know is that given the nature of the players on this team, if I were coaching I am not sure I would be telling them to play with more grit. How could I do that in good conscience? It would be like hitting your cat for not being a dog.
It is what it is. Truth is truth.....As far as getting to the finals u gotta win ur first round to get to the next and the next before ur in the finals....... playoffs are strategic....about constant adjustments due to play same team and how long the series is.....the guy that is a better strategist gives himself and the team better options for the players to win.
@Say my Name@mando24179 I would agree with you that this falls more on Sather's shoulders than AV's. Torts built this team to play tough and physical hockey. Sather blew it up for Nash which I'm fine with but never replaced it with the grit necessary to win in the playoffs. AV didn't make any adjustments but do you think it was more a product of the roster he has or simply his stubborness?
@mando24179 You forgot D Moore. I can remember on 4 different occasions in last nights game where a Blues Dman had the puck in the corner and a Rangers forward forechecked with his stick instead of hitting him. In a playoff series you have to hit. It takes a toll on players, puts the thought of getting hit in the back of their minds and will, not can, but will force them to make crucial mistakes. Sorry .. but this to me is hockey 101. Hockey 102 .... make the other team pay a price if they target your skill players or goalie.
Hey...if you get to the finals as a coach...where anything can happen...you are doing something right. That you can easily rattle off half the team as being "soft" is an indictment of Sather.
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, the game was remarkably close for how much we appeared to get dominated. True.
Cally was NOT a no show, though. He played one of his better games. He was one of the few Rangers going to the middle. And he paid the price.
I was just trying to say that with "how bad" everyone thinks we played, besides for two Girardi mistakes (one which included a really weak goal given up by Hank) we more than held our own against a cup contender. And I don't even think we played near our top level. I mean cally, Richards and zuccs were no shows.
@Hotfreak@AL55S I'm far from offended but I am only reacting to your claims of #1 they had high effort last night. I do not agree. Maybe some guys did but not as a team. And 2 the fact that you state they will fair better against teams like the Hawks and Penguins. I think your way off and I was only pointing out about how do you expect them to fair better against the above mentioned teams when they cannot even beat the local teams who are mediocre but seem to wratch it up unlike the Rangers do. This team is playing soft for all types of teams. And if you look at my first sentence in my comments I acknowledge what your saying as fine and good but pointed out to you why I have trouble buying everything you say. Effort is a big thing and too many shifts have been taken off. I have yet to see this years team sell out and play any kind of desperate hockey where they just refused to lose a game. Only a few maybe when the goalie stood on his head. But offensively they are not hard enough on the puck.
I didn't mean to offend you.
It's irrelevant because I wasn't talking about the Rangers' season record against these teams -- how they've played against them and how much effort they've put in. I mentioned only the last few weeks in a positive light and mentioned how they gave a good effort last night and came up short because the team they were playing is better than them.
What does that have to do with their season record against their division? And what does that have to do with the next 3 games?
They are going to get smoked if they make the playoffs no matter how much effort they play with.
You can continue to blame those losses on lack of effort if that what you want to do but I wasn't even addressing them.
I'm not averse to talking about what happens when the Rangers play the Devs, when they play the Isles and when they play Columbus in another thread.
its only irrelevant through your rose colored glasses. I take little solace in the fact this team underachieves. You make mention as they are not good enough against elite teams. well the teams I just mentioned are NOT the elite teams and the Rangers still can't beat them. to me thats VERY RELEVANT