If you missed any of the Ryan Callahan trade rumor insanity last night, make sure you check out Adam's running time line.
Meanwhile, after the game, Callahan was asked about all the reports flying around about his future with the Rangers (via ESPN.com)...
"I didn't hear about it. My heart's here. I want to be here. That's all I worry about on the ice."
...we want you here too, Ryan, but if you really want to remain in a Blueshirt, prove it to us by being realistic and taking the five-year deal on the table, which is more than generous.
...what bothers me the most about this whole situation, no matter who's at fault, is that I'm being forced to look disapprovingly at a player who has done nothing but give 100% and put his body on the line every night for the Rangers. He should be praised, not ridiculed by fans.
...i absolutely abhor the business side of sports.
Also after the game, Alain Vigneault was asked about the trade talk swirling around his captain...
"I'm a big fan of Ryan Callahan and I know he wants to be here. Contracts have nothing to do with me, but I'm hoping both parties can come to an agreement."
...always a tough spot for a coach. Of course he wants Callahan back, but he literally has zero input on this decision, unless of course he has issues with the player, which I'm pretty confident isn't the case here.
Ironically, one of the teams that reportedly has interest in Callahan is the Rangers trading partner the Columbus Blue Jackets.
...sure, Dubinsky and Anisimov for Callahan. LOL!
...i swear, if these two teams make another trade, it'll officially make them the NHL's version of "Freaky Friday."
...in all seriousness, you have to assume John Davidson is the driving force behind the Blue Jackets interest. He is more than aware of what Callahan brings to the table.
Hey Kevin.......You wrote, "what bothers me the most about this whole situation, no matter who's at fault, is that I'm being forced to look disapprovingly at a player who has done nothing but give 100% and put his body on the line every night for the Rangers. He should be praised, not ridiculed by fans."
You are too aware to write this kind of stuff. Stand up for what you believe in.....no one is forcing you to do anything! Write about your convictions. I respect them ! Do you?
People forget. This is a business and have to agree its a team sport not a one man show. If you can trade Leetch as a business decision anything is up for grabs.
The fact that there are "hometown discount" comments every other comment is truly sickening. These players got locked out from their jobs one year ago, remember? They play his game for 15 years, not 50. They need to make their money while they can end of story.
Really? How many players over the years(old guys take note) have the Rangers received that were gone and forgotten a season later, whilst the player they traded away had long illustrious careers .Way too numerous to list. Keep Cally,one sub par season and he's on the downside of his career???....BTW Dominic Moore is a bargain and the fourth line is a pretty big part of the recent win column..
Foligno and Dubinsky for Callahan and Dominic Moore..... swap these forwards.... It is the perfect trade. We get the production and grit and Columbus gets a leader and producer and a sentimental fan favorite. Will help the hardship of living in Columbus Slohio!!!!!
Lets be real. There wont be a loyalty discount. It will be a wife saying "im not moving to fucking winnepeg!" discount if anything!
I liked Callahan since the first day that Renney fucked with him, but here the Rangers as club are in a position to move a player who may or may not be on downside and pick up assets and somebody they could really use i.e. Stewart and build instead of being the team who dumped their assets and got the big contract guy who ended up on downside of his carreer. I am sure Ranger fans can remember a few of those..
If Cally's heart is totally with the fans, give slats a hometown discount. Prove that your heart is here! .
My heart is with the Rangers unless i don't get what i want then its with whatever team overpays for me is what he really means.
As I said on the game thread, (oh and by the way I hate the business of sports too) and as you touched upon here Kevin Cally has earned the right with his blood and soul to go after the big bucks. He has been huge for this organization and if at this juncture he chooses to get a sweet deal with another team I would not have hard feelings. Having said that I want him to stay, I wish he could stay but it's not looking that way, or maybe to say that's not what my gut is telling me. Frankly Cally is not playing like Cally this year. I don't believe for a second he's in "decline" as has been suggested by many but either he's had shoulder issues stemming from a likely retweaking of his repaired shoulder or other issues or more likely he just isn't putting his all into the game to avoid injury until he gets his contract. That would seem very "un-Cally" like but again the business of sports stinks and these guys often get just one shot to make the big money and I would understand if not jeopardizing that opportunity is on his mind right now. Either way we need our guys to play at 110% and if Cally won't do that he needs to be moved or signed pronto. I love him. hope he can stay but I don't think he will come down enough on his demands to get signed quickly so we may need to move on. A couple of the rumored deals on the table look good in that scenario.
disregarding intangibles, here are the statistical facts of the matter. Converting last year to 82 games and projecting the balance of this year, this is what Ryan Callahan has averaged since 2008-9: 71 GP, 22 G, 22 A, 42 PIM, -1 +/- . Kesler is closer to 60 PTs/ season, averages ~30% on a more per game basis, with the exception of last year, rarely gets injured. Once again, he is being paid $30M / 5.
@TheNYRBlog HES A THIRD LINER , 6 M IS WAY TOO MUCH , SORRY
dude, the Rangers are routinely forced to replace "this" when Cally gets injured for 10 games 2x a year. I bet if you ran the stats, our W/L record with him on IR is about the same with him in the lineup. I may be wrong, but what you see is pure anecdotal emotional analysis. He's a great hockey player; has a ton of heart, but he's not an elite Forward worthy of that kind of payday in the modern Salary Cap era. he's a 3rd line/ fringe second line player who has a ton of intangibles, most of which are a product of the way the rangers have nurtured his development over the last 7 years. 6M per year would cripple the team's ability to consolidate the top of their roster.
I love Cally, and perhaps I wouldn't be saying this any other year, but if we could pick up a player like Chris Stewart for him, that could be huge. Stewart is EXACTLY the kind of player we need: a true heavyweight at 6'2", 230/235 (Lucic territory) who can drop the gloves if needed, has good speed, a scoring touch and is very strong in the corners and in front of the net. The only problem with Stewart is consistency.
@Nyrangers Don't get sick over any of this. Your comments are spot on. Keep in mind that what people post on here is a true reflection of how they think of themselves whether they realize it or not.
Even though they write about others they are really writing about how they think about themselves. Any one including Cally deserves the absolute best for themselves and for the people (family) who depend on them. This, of course will only resonate with people who feel they deserve the absolute best for themselves and for their families....."end of story."
@Billfrom Brookhaven hes on the downside of his career because of his age, let alone his minimal production.
@jslnyr1102 I'm sensing a Chris Drury scenario. Cally plays best when hungry. money has a way of compromising that desire
@DominickAndreula i hope you keep turning down money people offer you in life, you'll do great and really enjoy it
@DominickAndreula I believe him when he says his heart is with the Rangers. This organization is like his parents, but kids grow up and his heart is into money even more apparently.
@Billy_Beeman Stats do not give you an honest picture. For example Taylor Pyatt scored 22 goals as a Canuck. 'nuff said
All I can say is. How can u compare Kessler who is a center to Cally who is a winger?
Kessler plays 1 PP unit and is a create and a finisher
I will put it in lay man's terms no one is scared of Cally coming down the center of the ice compared to a Kessler...
Stop that stats nonsense. Stats don't tell u everything. ... Kessler is a notch below an elite player a top six guy day in and out Cally is really a 3rd line winger.... love the guy but come on man.. ....
@KreiderisTheChosenOne He's playing great and is proving he's ready, or I should say understands the NAmerican game well enough now. First opportunity for a center call up we'll see him.
frankly i cant believe Sather and co has already offered him 6 over 6. kesler is making $5M x 6. probably closest comp. More consistently imposing player than Cally. Again, to reiterate, Cally is a GREAT hockey player, all things considered. But his role on a Cup-winning team is a #5-7 forward. To expect top line stats and compensate him as such is misguided. Even with his defensive prowess. To further compare to Kesler, that guy is actually a top 3 forward with the same or greater defensive value. at the end of the day, i guess you could say Cally is asking for the nyc premium over his true value, which isn't altogether unfair. after all, it's 50% more expensive to live in or around NYC than anywhere else in this coutnry. F#4k it. Maybe he does deserve it?
He's had a bad year, for sure. And who knows if his body can take playing the way that makes him effective? If we could get a true power forward for him, I say make the deal.
Can't like this enough Freak. As for consistency, look at it this way, Cally's very presence is inconsistent due to injury. Secondlyofall (hey SOMEONE has to make up new words) size and strength never take a day off.
@EHBIGAPPLE @Nyrangers I agree. People don't realize, or stop to think. Generally you get one chance for your mega contract in hockey and one chance only. That happens at your first elegibility as a UFA. Cally has already proven his loyalty to the team. He does not need to do that now. He has earned the right to a big contract through his heart, and the blood and sweat he has given this team for 7 years. One shot at the big money - it's not about loyalty, it's about his future, his children and their future and frankly if he was more loyal to his hockey team, (hockey being a game and a children's game at that) than he is to his family and future I'd say he needs his head examined. Shooting for 7M a year and securing 7 yrs. makes him quite sane in my estimation, even though he won't get that much..The other thing about the so called "home town discount" is that the players are a fraternity with unwritten rules. You sign for less than your worth at the UFA level you have broken that trust with your fellow players and have effected their ability to negotiate their contracts. All the detracting comments are knee jerk reactions not coming from the savvy fans IMO. No we didn't win a cup but in his 7 years the team went from laughing stock to respectability and he played a major roll in the transformation. Whether they keep him or he signs elsewhere a little appreciation would be nice please. And don't berate this man for trying to make some big bucks. He's earned it.
Especially in Cally's case where the type of game he plays leads him to be injury prone. For all we know this could be the last contract he ever signs
@mando24179 once again, i am saying that Cally's 5 year body of work amounts to 44 pts/season, which is not worth $5+M per season accounting for unquantifiable intangibles (leadership, penalty kill prowess; although hes a net negative player).
@mando24179 dude i realize my syntax is a bit choppy but the thrust of my argument is CLEARY that CAlly is an inferior player compared to Kesler. hence he shouldn't be paid more than him. Reading Comp bro - look into it
I would trade Cally for Kesler in a second!
@Hotfreak @Billy_Beeman6M seems over the top and your assessment of him is perfect IMO. I always thought of him in a complimentary way as a 3rd liner, even when that opinion was unpopular but he has all the tools for that roll and can net you 25. I think this year's decline is due in part to the prospect of big money which won't be there if he suffers a long term injury - not decline, however a smaller player playing a big man's game and shot blocking? Where we he be at age 32 or 33? Chris Drury?
@Betweentheworlds @Billy_BeemanHave found that "stats" can be made to mean anything outside of the context in which they happened. Stats can only be evaluated within the context that they actually occured and then placed in the present context of the particular needs of any interested team.
What will then happen is Cally will have more value to some teams.......average or similar value to other teams and less value to remaining teams.
By context I mean the long term and short term strategy of senior mgmt (Cup or profitability or both), prospects in the minor leagues, prospects in the college and international ranks, present needs of the team....as some examples of context.
@Billy_Beeman @BetweentheworldsYeah, that was more of a joke and probably not my best argument as Pylon was playing a lot with the Sedins that year, though it does bring up another dimension to the whole stat question as I'm willing to bet that 5 year average would be just a bit higher if Cally was playing on a line with the likes of the Sedin twins rather than players like Dubi and Arti. You are correct sir in so much as a 5 year sampling is a good starting point if you are a GM, at least as far as talent assessment goes but still stats, especially in Hockey don't tell the whole story and in some cases wind up being quite misleading. Just saying; not trying to make a federal case out of it.
@mando24179 furthermore the fact that Kesler is a center makes him even more valuable, which only further substantiates my argument, which again somehow confounded you.