#NYR Roster: G: Lundqvist & Biron D: Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Moore, Del Zotto, Stralman & Falk F: Asham, Boyle, Brassard, Callahan (cont)— New York Rangers (@NYRangers) September 29, 2013
#NYR Roster Continued: F: Dorsett, Fast, Hagelin, Miller, Moore, Nash, Pouliot, Pyatt, Richards, Stepan and Zuccarello.— New York Rangers (@NYRangers) September 29, 2013
So that obviously makes the cuts...
#NYR assign Fs Hrivik Kreider, Lindberg, Mashinter, Powe and Ds Allen and Bickel to Hartford (AHL).— Andrew Gross (@AGrossRecord) September 29, 2013
Powe, Bickel and Mashinter must clear waivers before being assigned to Hartford.
...that's a lot to digest. To be honest, with how uneven most of the Rangers play was this preseason, I was pretty much ready for anything and we got it.
...the biggest surprises to make the roster are obviously Pyatt and Asham. While you can make the argument that the Rangers lack of toughness led to the decision to keep Asham, I'm baffled with keeping Pyatt.
...another mild surprise is Fast. While I didn't think he had a bad camp, he didn't stand out any more than Lindberg, Hrivik or Kreider.
...speaking of Kreider, can you say wake-up call? I'm really at a loss with him right now. Does he lack hockey IQ? Confidence? No idea, but I hope he does the right thing in Hartford by working hard and getting himself back to the NHL as soon as possible.
...real happy for Miller as he absolutely earned his way on the team. I thought Powe did as well, but salary cap might have played a part in that decision.
...as far the seventh defenseman, when AV decided to keep Asham that pretty much meant the end of Bickel. And as we've all mentioned on the blog, it made no sense to keep Allen in the press box.
...and God help me if Mashinter is claimed by another team.
...assuming you guys have some thoughts on this. Let me hear them in the comments section.
i would like to point out that in the article on blueshirts united, they refer to the minor league team by both the whale and the wolf pack...just sayin...
Why am I afraid that this team will be just like the teams from the past 2 years and be scoring challenged? I don't see a lot of scorers on the roster, especially with Hagelin and Cally hurt. Why not keep Lindberg or Kreider up and put them on one of the top 3 lines.
Just read Andrew Gross. Sounds like if Kreider made the team, he would be playing 4th line minutes, maybe 3rd line tops. Good move to send him down to get big minutes. Same for Conor Allen. If Falk struggles, Allen will come right up it sounds.
The two moves that I don't agree with are not surprising. Pyatt & Richards. Pyatt should not have made the roster, but he has a history with AV and has played well for AV in the past. Richards, no surprise of him staying, even if he doesn't deserve it, cause of his contract. (If you could still bury contracts in AHL, I think he might have been sent down)
Kreider, I still think he has more upside that a lot of the current prospects (including Miller), but needs some time to figure things out. He's got great natural skill, but currently lacks direction. I do think Tort's style messed him up a bit (I think CK is playing afraid; afraid to make mistakes), but it's on Kreider to figure out how to right the ship (instead of blaming Torts) Also, Kreider was a collegiate hockey player. I think they take more time to mature than guys coming out of junior/OHL, etc.
Powe deserved to be on the team. If anyone got shafted by the elephant in the room (Richie's contract), it was him.
Happy to see Falk on the team. I thought that would happen. Played well, and he still has some upside to him to get even better.
I'm ok with the moves. I think Powe brings more to the table than Pyatt, but to be honest neither of them are game breakers.
Hate to say it, but I think Chris Kreider = Manny Malhotra
Cuts make sense to me. Pyatt had a pretty good camp, he's a corner work guy who has some size. Powe was being showcased. Fast is obviously showing up, learning and improving every game-that is likely to continue now.Miller played well, hopefully continues with no turnovers
.We're strong at center so Oscar Lindberg was sent down. Krieder's preseason play speaks for itself. Hrivik was close but wasn't better than Fast. Bickell only brought the fighting ability-he can play horrendous so thats no mistake.
Looking at the roster, with everyone optimal and jelling and with Cally and Hags back-On paper I see a scoring and fast skating team that isn't tough with a really strong and skilled defence and goalies.
The key will be the powerplay for a team like this.So there is going to be pressure on Scott Arneil to make the powerplay work really well actually.
Obviously no one here's gonna agree but Pyatt was kept for a reason. He's a role player who's solid enough for what he does. That said I'd rather have seen them keep Mash or Powe. We need tough guys, but remember everyone, this is just the opening roster. It's a long season and changes will come. I would have bet at least a buck that they'd keep Kreider lol. In a way this is good. He seems to coast a bit and he needs to know he's got to earn this. Not surprised Fast made the team as they could use his speed until Hags is back - that is if they use him. Yeah, keeping Richey continues to be a punch in the gut. Even at his best he's not worth the cap hit and we could have built a more solid team capable of a cup run if we amnistied Season's long though. A couple good trades, rookie surprises and some commitment to tough physical play, not just from Cally but from the big guys (you know who you are) and we can be right up there.
powe showed up ready for camp, he should be in, i would rather have lindberg and kreider then dorssett and asham
that being said there will be injuries there will be some sort of trade so all will get to contribute
Don't understand how sending Powe down saves money. According to new CBA's "Redden Rule" the marjority of his contract still counts towards the cap PLUS the contract of whoever took his place (Miller or Fast).
Anyone else have clarification on this????
Richards and Pyatt waived, Hrivik, and Linberg called up. Oh wait I am dreaming. Having two players basically on their way out of NHL instead of two who can skate and have talent, ok with a learning curve but i'll take the latter. They held up pretty well against a NHL roster LA Kings. Their line was solid most the night and Lindberg 's release on one shot was pretty impressive. You have Cally and Hagelin back in a couple of weeks, take a chance, maybe they push the vets instead of riding has beens, Can't understand the thinking.
Boyle and Pyatt on a line, teams must shaking in their skates
I would've rather had kreider over pyatt in terms of skill, but Kreider has zero confidence right now, and wouldve liked to see lindberg on the team..in a nutshell this roster is as good as its going to get for now.
The second line of Pyatt-Boyle-Fast at practice, has potential to be the worst in the history of hockey... also Nash out with a foot injury all ready... 3-7 by the time Hags gets back is starting to look like a prayer
Pylon fills a spot although only bringing barely 4th line numbers... He's not a huge defensive liability, but isn't great defensively by any stretch. He is SOFT on the body to say the least, doesn't hit, can't hang on to the puck and scores like a blind squirrel every twenty or thirty games. Hopefully since the blackmail material he has on slats is apparently pretty damning and he end up completely undeserved playing top six min again. Sigh I would much rather ANY of the new kids getting the chance. Mash would have brought toughness that Ash doesn't, and any of the kids: fast, hrvik, Lindberg or Kreider although having a learning curve would at least add offense.
I agree with most you guys. I really don't understand why the Rangers keep Pyatt and waive Powe. Obviously I wasn't watching the same games they were this preseason. Very disappointed to see Allen sent down. He really played solid D and joined the rush also. It seemed he was playing the system AV was preaching.
Strong move sending Kreider down. I like it. I hope he'll have a productive time in Hartford. Fast is a surprise. Good for him. Could've been a toss up between him, Lindberg, and Hrivik. I thought Fast showed the least out of those three, but I know the coaching staff knows what they have to work with and their going to give him some games. Maybe they thought he'd benefit the most. I reckon he goes to Hartford after Callahan and Hagelin are back. Really not interested in seeing Pyatt back with the club, but hopefully he'll show us why he's still here. Anyway, I'm glad to have the results. Looks good!
That would probably be impossible to bounce back from, and most likely Hank would be traded... Signaling a rebuild.
@shoot_the_goalie Kreider needs to work harder - I think that is all it comes down to. He's got to earn this. He can't coast. If he does work in Hartford he'll be back soon. AV seemed to like him and obviously there is some great skill and strength.
@cb1 2 very different players. One a defensive specialist, the other needs to work on his. No comparison other than 1st rounders
@cb1 Malhotra ended up becoming a really solid checking center until he got hurt, and frankly, when he was drafted, he was projected by most scouts as being a excellent defensive center, which he eventually became. However, the NYR management at the time hyped him up to be the next goal scoring power forward, which unrealistic to him, and fans got annoyed when he wasn't lighting the lamp, when in fact, he was a defensive specialist.
@fs2020 this is an excellent synopsis
@fs2020 I agree totally. Fast was tied with Lindberg, maybe less skilled but more consistent (2-way). The center depth dictated his call down. If we buy out Richie, expect Lindberg. Also a good depth call-up.
Pyatt was never fast or good off the rush. Get him the puck on the boards, he can grind. We need that. Let Zucc and Brassard skate and handle the puck. I'd like to see Hrivik eventually replace Pyatt. He has a similar game with more speed and skill.
I think the real key players are going to be Del Zotto and Pouliot. If Pouliot can put up 20 goals and DZ is tighter on defense, the Rangers look a lot better
Agree on the Powe showcasing. They probably think Powe has the best chance of not clearing waivers and want to save the most cap space. Will be interesting to see if he gets picked up. Hopefully Pyatt will spend his time in the press box. One can hope...
@Betweentheworlds Pyatt has a history with AV as well.
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG Richards = ARod
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG what did you think was going to happen? It basically threw this year out for the cup (could still make the playoffs)... Might cost us Hank staying as well. Next year we can use his cap in other places though including the players we have that are ufa's
That's the bottom line - accept that the coaching staff knows what they're doing. Just gotta calm down and watch it play out
@Betweentheworlds @shoot_the_goalie I think Kreider does work hard. He certainly trains hard. I think he's learning the complete game, which he didn't have to do in college, and it's a slow process. Torts was correct in his philosophy towards Kreider (strip him down and rebuild him into an all around player) but I think Torts' execution of that philosophy may have been questionable.
Kreider is certainly more responsible in his own end now, back-checks hard, but he just seems lost offensively right now. From what I can tell, his talent is there (he's a great skater and has a wicked shot), but his positioning in the offensive zone is really struggling. I think over time, that will come. I think right now his improvement in defense is coming at the expense of his natural offensive abilities. That's not a bad thing unless he doesn't regain his offensive abilities, which is what he was drafted for in the first place.
@brian2686 @fs2020 Yeah agree that DZ especially has to be better on defence.With him playing well and the rest of the defence also playing well and Hank -other teams could have fits trying to score against us.
Pyatt is good on the boards. When he is there I always think we are going to maintain possession-the same as I always think when Girardi shoots from the point its going to be a save by the goalie.
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds Obviously he was largely invisible during stretches last season but I still think he's a decent player. Slow yes, and doesn't throw that big frame around much but he's a good mucker, few errors and decent hands. Really with his skill he should be scoring in the 15-20 range which is why I think so many fans are down on him after a promising start, but relatively flat season last year. At any rate having good history with your coach certainly is an advantage.
@NYR44 @GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG ...minus the steroids - but honestly Richeys career has been good but not stellar like pre-Yanks AROD. he was a minus player for many years and his best season was 91 pts and +12. +/- can be deceiving but it does indicate that his defense is just average at best and 91 pts. as your best numbers is very good but ain't exactly stellar. Players prime is age 27-31 so why did they pay top dollar in the 1st place and why did they not buy him out when they had the chance when they are deep at center and have other holes to fill???
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG some good players, Vanek, Sedins, Phaneuf (if we got him I dont think we keep G), Kessel, Milan Michalek. Just some interesting names to throw out there... but thats next years business
@DPSnotty the fact is if Nash misses any time... it could get very very ugly
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds from observation I'd agree that he's working hard but scouting reports I heard suggested otherwise - but whatever the case I still think he needs to keep pushing and earn his place with the big boys and giving him time at the whale is probably the right call. I like this kid and I think he will develop into a great player. My personal observation would be that he's trying too hard, over-thinking and though I don't disagree with Torts' handling of this kid you may have a point there.
@fs2020 @brian2686 MDZ is all about mental errors. I was hoping they'd trade him for some toughness and grit before the league catches on and reduces his trade value. The mental game cannot be taught so I'm not holding my breath with him - certainly skill and youth are on his side. Just got to hope that with a different coach he can loosen up and start playing well. I will say (if you're reading Michael lol) that he did look really good in a few games last year. these were the games that he played nasty, Maybe being meaner means less thinking and more instinct
it shows with every thread ...
@DPSnotty no one in this organization can fill in for Nash. With Cally and Hags out, if Nash is to join them I think it could be a rough start is all I am saying
Then we call up one of your boys - problem solved!
Look, doom and gloom before the season even begins is useless. Let part of the season play out and then see where we stand. You must be younger (I'm guessing around your 20's?), and not suffered through the 70s and 80s Ranger teams like some of us have. You'll learn patience with time…