Larry Brooks at the New York Post reports that Chris Kreider could start the season in Hartford if he doesn't impress in the preseason finale against the Kings tonight in Las Vegas.
Brooks bases that thought on Alain Vigneault's quote after last night's 5-0 loss to the Canucks...
“A lot of players are close but really haven’t shown me they can play at this level on a consistent basis,” Vigneault said. “There are still guys [with a chance] who are going to play [against the Kings] but they have to play better.”
...there's absolutely no doubt that Kreider has played himself from on the roster to at the very least onto the bubble. It hasn't helped his cause that fellow first round pick Miler has outplayed him since returning from his hamstring injury.
...i still think despite his uneven play this preseason, he ultimately makes the team. He has regular season experience and has produced on the biggest stage (aka the playoffs). And whether you like it or not, I think the fact that he's a former first rounder gives him a leg up as the Rangers organization would hate to have two of them (McIlrath) not living up to expectations in the AHL.
...having said all that, I feel he'll have a short leash. If he does make the opening night roster over the other youngsters fighting for a spot and doesn't produce, I don't think AV will have any problem looking to a guy like Fast or Hrivik to replace him in the line-up.
guess it aint tort's fault, hes a lazy player, heard a scoutin report on him b4 the start of last season, on wfan, it wasnt 2 good
Comment #1: The Undertaker is only 21 and had an injury delay his development. Reports have always been skating needs improvement. Anyone who has been disappointed with him this pre season has probably placed too high of expectations. Most big Dmen break in around 23. Kid's going to be a force. Give it timeComment #2 Kreider: coming along. Again expectations too high after his auspicious entry onto hockey's biggest stage. It didn't take long in those '12 playoffs though for the weaknesses in his game to be revealed. Simply was not an NHL player then and is only on the fence now IMHO. Last year Torts worked with him a lot, sent him down to the Whale for experience and he made big strides and wound up having a decent playoff run. Still areas of his game need work but once he puts it all together he'll be a force to be reckoned with. It may not happen for a year or 2. My impression is AV likes him and will probably want him on the club regardless of what happens tonight but it's not the end of the world if he gets shipped down. He'll be back.
When the Rangers got Nash, I thought he was a driving force to the net, not afraid to hit guys and with his size and speed but he's turning into a ballerina turning the puck over at center ice. Maybe he should be cut to get his game back.
I see Kreider as having to have a complete good game tonight to make the team over Miller, who put together one very good game and a good game.If Lindberg plays and has a great game then he is in the mix or should be.And Fast-I get the feeling he is the one who should really be on the opening night roster-he just hasn't adjusted to the pro league yet but is moving every game solidly in that direction.He is really quietly impressing and myself I think he will be a better forward than Krieder this year.
If I had to choose between Kreider and Miller, I'm taking Miller. Kreider was a one hit wonder. The only skill he has these days is the ability to take bad penalties. I hope I'm wrong about him, but I just don't see it
Bettman spoke today, and I dont know where to post it, but he said there is no immediate plan to expand. This is grade A BULLSHIT. As it stands it is significantly harder for a team in the East to make the playoffs than a team in the West. Lets not even harp on the fact that there are just better teams in the East, but there are 16 teams in the East competing for 8 spots, and 14 in the west competing for 8 spots. If this continues for more than this year (and maybe I will give them one more) It is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Something needs to be done.
Package Kreider with MDZ for the true power fwd we need. A little toughness. I don't have a name for you, but 2 promising young players should bring some talent back.
I don't care what system it is, he's a choppy skater, no hands just a slapshot, if he can't make the Big leagues he'd fit great on team white???
Everyone was blowing that guy after the playoffs , he's average at Best a guy his size should use more body!!!!
How in the world would you keep 5 or 6 current players over kreider? Come on! The team needs speed and energy. Let the kid play with nash and let them do there thing. Cuts could be a lot more useful in other spots!
I don't see it with Kreider. He's been VERY shaky in pre-season. I think he needs to be sent down for half to a full season. I understand he did what he did in playoffs but that was a 1 time thing. I just don't think he's ready yet.
Let me preface by saying I have not watched every minute of every pre-season game. However, when I have watched, I've been keyed in on Kreider because I really think he's going to be a star. What I've seen on TV and live is that he is skating a helluva lot more and finishing checks a helluva lot more than I've seen him in the past. Plus he's been getting his big body to the font of the net. He's also been very good at backchecking because of his ridiculous speed. I personally think he's really buying into AVs system and worrying more about getting to the puck rather than scoring at this point, because the goals will come. I may be way off, but I've been more impressed with his play this pre-season than at any point last season, because he's doing the little things that go unnoticed by most.
and as for Miller he had one good game, last night wasn't anything special. He definitely deserves a roster spot, but I am not putting him in over Kreider because of one good preseason game
I get he hasn't played his best... but this is just ridiculous. Very few Rangers have played well (Richards, Pyatt, Boyle, Nash, Powe, Asham, etc.) the list goes on have done absolutely nothing as well. I feel like Kreider is just the whipping boy. The kid needs time to adjust to the system just like everyone else. The fact that anyone thinks he could play any worse than Richards is beyond me.
The up and down, back and forth, shuffling of Kreider in the past was ridiculous. It would have been better if he could have been in one place or the other for an extended period. Everybody wants to see this kid succeed and he's getting every chance to do so. That said, he's mostly just shown us potential. With Hagelin and maybe Callahan out, I still think Kreider is on our opening night roster. Miller will be with us too. Lindberg, Hrivic and co. will all be cut and sent down.
I think Kreider would be better off to start in the AHL, he should have spent all last season down there and i think he would have been better off. that being said I think he stays on the team because Hags is injured. If he does not play well though will likely be sent down to Hartford once guys get healthy.
@Betweentheworlds I'm with you on Kreider. McIlrath, not so sure. All the power skating in the world may not get that kid to NHL level skating ability. I hope he does get there though.
Dylan oughta call Laura Stamm
@lennynyr Nash has never been a hitter. He's a finesse guy in a big body. He does display power moves to the net though, and certainly can use his body to shield the puck, a la Jagr. Problem is there is no one on this team that sets him up well (except maybe Brassard), just like there was no one on the NYR that could set up Jagr once Nylander left. One reason why I'm big on the NYR trading for Joe Thornton, cause Thornton and Nash play so well together.
I hear you but not too worried about it. Last year no one crashed because there were coaching problems and players were playing too cautious. This fall Nash is a lock in and is playing like a guy who doesn't want to risk a pre season injury. If his lackluster play continues into November then I'll agree with you.
@BrendyJohnson I would go opposite. Miller has great potential, but is prone to making a lot of mistakes, and as Torts even said, is kinda "immature". Kreider has got his head on straight, and has more raw talent.
I think why Miller looks a touch better right now is cause Miller played in Junior leagues and Kreider played in college. College players have a tendency to develop a touch slower, probably for the basic fact that they play less games and their game is not as close to resembling the NHL as say the OHL.
But in the end, I think Kreider has more upside.
@gravey94 I agree. He's a better overall player, and he has the skill set to be really good if not great. Plus he's got his head on straight, is humble, and is a hard worker. Throughout college, he always had a tendency to be a little streaky, but when he was on a hot streak, he was the best player on the ice, and we got a glimmer of that in the 2012 postseason. Not to mention, he tends to preform when the stage is at it's biggest. His game will come along. That 2012 postseason spoiled a lot of us, cause we immediately expected him to be great.
@gravey94 Sounds like what everyone said about him not scoring in Hartford last year. "He just working on his defense. The scoring will come."
@gravey94 Yep... now he plays Tort's game and will be cut for it... It would be a huge mistake. Especially if its for a guy like Pyatt
@FREE LINDBERG He's easily been better than Kreider this preseason. Clean slate!
@FREE LINDBERG Please don't make Richards the measuring stick :)
"The kid needs time to adjust to the system just like everyone else."
Truer words... as the saying goes. I'm with you. Can't wait to see how this all shakes out. Experience will give a lot of guys the edge, but I wanna see someone like Pyatt outta here
@shoot_the_goalie @lennynyr Agree shoot - still Nash has the power to intimidate and AV wants to set him up in front of the net where he can score, deflect and screen - finesse and scoring touch is there but would love to see a bit more of an edge to his game, opponents already fear him as he has a great powerful stride that gives the impression of a freight train coming at you. BTW I'm still pissed off about Nyl disaster - Jagr is not an easy guy to play with so when you get a center who works so well with your superstar why do you let him walk (no matter what the age) and they were about as good a tandem as you'll ever see - I cringed when Slats let him walk to sign the most overrated player in the league. I almost stopped watching the games because I was so pissed off about it - and the predictable disaster unfolded, Gomez sucked and Jagr reverted back to infancy and stopped playing... (the rest is history :) )
@KevinDeLury @FREE LINDBERG this preseason? lets go through it... Miller couldnt stay healthy and played in two games so far... one was good, and the other he did nothing. I mean Miller hasnt had the greatest pre-season, and also Kreider was either playing with Richards one night (which is why he did nothing because Richards blows) or Asham another... and besides those two penalties against EDM he had a pretty good game as well. Honestly, for Kreider not to be on the roster would be a bad move... at least at the start of the season
and maybe he has, but you wouldn't think so by watching him skate. in fact, i hope he hasn't because that means his skating is even worse than we thought! Hahaha
@shoot_the_goalie @lennynyr Oh and Step is a capable set up guy for Nashty. And then there is our big playmaker 6 million dollar man Richey (that's laughable) and also Zucc, who has actually shown the most finesse as a playmaker on the team IMHO (though unless someone plays off wing it's a moot point) so I do think AV will find someone who can get Nash the puck.
@gravey94 @FREE LINDBERG Hope so. He needs to get to the point where he can play by instinct. It is almost like he is thinking everything through and then by the time he decides what to do it is too late. Also, he needs to learn to be hard on the puck. If he gets in traffic it is almost a sure thing that he will not come up with the puck. He needs to be open and get a good pass where he can shoot quickly. That is where he is successful. He needs to be more than that.