After being disgusted by the Rangers downright refusal to stick-up for each other last season, it was a welcome change to see Rick Nash do this last night...
Having said that, other than Henrik Lundqvist, Nash is the absolute last guy I want to see taking off his gloves and punching an opponent in the helmet.
And I'm not going to blame Dorsett or anyone else you think should be retaliating instead of Nash, because they weren't on the ice, but the Rangers lack of a true enforcer allows opponents to take liberties with the Rangers star players without worry of any real retribution. When the Rangers had guys like Rupp, Prust and Dubinsky patrolling the ice, opponents knew there would be repercussions for their actions. See here:
Listen, I had my issues with Rupp, but that's how you send a message. It not only fires up a team, but ultimately brings them closer.
My hope here is that the action Nash took last night inspires the rest of the team to take on that same mentality, so that the next time an opponent takes a run at a teammate, someone other than the Rangers best offensive player has to do the dirty work.
We had Clowe, now trade more to get the same guy? Wtf are they spending money on Dominic Moore and Justin Falk for, when they coulda had Clowe?
Trade Kreider and Del Zotto for the missing toughness up front. They are sure to bring back someone who can help sure up our toughness.
Oh.... And Ryan Clowe was perfect here.... My question is , let's say Clowe didn't get hurt and had a great playoffs, how was slats planning on keeping him under the new CBA? We barely squeezed together the current group.... Yet you trade 3 picks to rent a guy? Idk
Honestly i dont think a bad move would be bring bickel/mashinter up throw one of them on the 4th line move JT up to the third and scratch pyatt see how that goes
i was glad to see nash show some toughness. that hit on step was fucking ugly. this team is going to have to show toughness as a whole.
callahan cant do it all. he can inspire them all, yeah. but the team needs to wake up and congeal. because right now the all just look like golfing buddies.
mcillrath? perennial AHLer? who knows. he's needed but cant play the fucking game well enough to be here. jesus. talk about missing an opportunity...
how far apart were sather and prust on the yearly salary? 500k? fuck me...
Rick Nash is the absolute NHLer. He knew he had to retaliate because of the cheapshot on his linemate, he took a shot at Hanzel, Hanszel dropped the gloves and Nash immediately responded.He didn't want to injure himself, as it would have hurt the team, so he threw one or two and held on until the refs broke it up.I don't want to see him try this again however, even though it was the right thing to do.He is that crucial to this teams success.We can't have him out with a broken hand or concussion.
On the Rick Nash note: He hasn't switched on Nash Beast Mode yet and it is frustrating waiting for him to get going.When that happens I hope AV doesn't change whatever line or situation he's in because it would be fantastic to have Nash playing at that level for the whole season.
As far as our current roster, I think Asham probably fits this bill the best, a player who'll fight but also can play. I really hope McIlrath improves with great strides, since he'll make opponents think twice about taking liberties against the team, but he's just not ready to handle the NHL speed currently.
Anyone out there that the NYR could realistically trade for that could help them in this department? I mean anyone being shopped around? Only one I can think of is Phaneuf, and no thank you at his cap hit.
Nash didn't want to fight. That was obvious.
Len below said it best : Rangers big guys are pussies and the tough guys are lightweights. Not the way to build a tough team. They are going to be run over all season.
It is what it is. This is on Sather. Everyone should stop talking about fighters. We are talking about sheer toughness - and yes toughness often fights, but it is not a prerequisite. Claude Lemieux, Scott Stevens, Daneyko, Prust, Dubi, Tikkanen....pretty broad spectrum there, but ALL of them wanted to beat you physically and emitted that god damned alpha male pheromone that not one NY Ranger over 5'10" has.... How does a GM not see that???? Douche. We truly belong in the Metrosexual Division.
Must have a guy on the team that can keep the other team accountable. We dont want to have the year when gaborik was taking licks during that flyer game.
I like that Nash stepped up, but I hate that he had to. Hopefully it will spark something within the team. Still can figure why the rangers didn't pay for boiler to take boxing lessons and pylon to learn to run he still looks like the hunchback of natra dam and was absolutely worthless last night!!!
Super pumped - I think this year is going to be more like 11-12 than 12-13! The bonding and even the slow start of the road trips will help gel the team. Barring injuries etc I think we have a solid chance this year to go far!!! LGR!!!
I agree that having your best scorer risk a wrist injury is not cool. Having said that what Nash did was awesome. What a cheap shot on Step. Legal yes but why are you going to try to knock your opponent into the 2nd row when the outcome of the game is clearly not in doubt. It sends a great message to the team saying it doesnt matter who ypu are, you stick up for your own, and shows Nash is ready to take on some leadership which he did not do last year. Like I said on previous post there were some good signs in an ugly loss and I'm really looking forward to an exciting season
Maybe Logan Graves will be ready in 5 years ;-) I was always against getting rid of Dubi, although I think it was necessary to take the next step. Would love a player like that again. That being said, while I loves me an intimidating enforcer, I think their time in this cap era is dwindling fast. If a guy like McIlrath can prove he can play, it would be awesome because he can fill that intimidator role but still be useful when he's not busy pounding someone's face. I still think a PP that can score is more of a deterrent, but having some grit, not necessarily vigilantes, would be welcome..
Unfortunately... AV making another dumb move. Cally on a line with Pyatt and Boyle... Just a joke, essentially every day he makes an even dumber move... jeez
Make no mistake about it, Nash had no intentions of fighting. He skated over to SAY something to Hanzal. When Hanzal threw the first punch, Nash still had his gloves on. Admirable that he hung in there, sure, but he wasn't intending to send a physical message.
Slats should have bought out Richards and signed Iginla...
we do not need fighting or players to fight. we need a fucking forward who can score some fucking goals for once.
When the bruins beat vancouver to win the cup they didn't win because they were more talented, they won because they pounded the living shit out of them.
who was the coach of the canucks ?
Nash can't fight and Rupp can't score. Oh wait, we no longer have Rupper, or any big guy who knows how to drop gloves for that matter. Watching Nash drop his gloves although admirable on some level, is sad. It's not his job and he's way too valuable. Core competencies. This team lacks grit. Period. Wait til the Bruins get ahold of us. We will get run. And run. And run. And.... Slats and AV are in denial right now as it's early but this hole in our lineup will haunt us.
Gotta admit, I hit the panic button pretty hard last night after the loss. Vintage Ranger fan, I know. I've pulled myself back now, and I don't feel as bad about this team as I did 16 hours ago. But the lack of toughness really, really worries me. Maybe I'm nostalgic and I miss the team we had w/ Pruster, Rupp, and Dubie. We were a hell of a lot tougher and pretty much scored the same amount of goals (as last year, not this year.....yet). We're obviously going to play a MUCH different style of hockey than we're used to. It will be more finesse than toughness. And I do believe we will score more with the new system in place. That being said, this is not a physically imposing team and you can bet your balls that teams like Boston and Philly are gonna run us over. We may beat them but they will physically beat the crap out of us with our current roster. I don't know how to fix this situation to be honest but it is something that has me really worried about the season.
Rangers big guys are pussies and the tough guys are lightweights. Not the way to build a tough team. They are going to be run over all season.
Want Nash to put the puck in the net not drop the gloves. When I saw it happen I was kinda of horrified. Last thing we need is him getting banged up in the first game from pounding on someones helmet. Take his number and make sure we have someone there to hit him next shift. Would be more motivated for a reaction if it was a dirty hit.
"Pat Leonard of the Daily News notes that Ryan Callahan is skating on a line with Brian Boyle and Taylor Pyatt."
Must want to ease him back really slowly.
i hope that nash has to keep fighting and every other forward as well then maybe they'll realize that they need some toughness added to the lineup
@TheNYRBlog That Rupp video just got me pumped.. Made me miss Pruster too. Is Haley that guy?
@Kovalev27 If Clowe had a great playoff, and stayed healthy, they probably would have bought out Richards and given him 4 million a year for 4 years.... which is dangerous with his injury history. But that is probably what would have taken place
and if i remember correctly, i posted here that prust wasnt worth the cash.
wow. talk about advertising my own room temperature IQ...
@shoot_the_goalie asham is just another washed up aged enforcer that came to the rangers thinking he was gonna drop his tough guy past and get 40 assists. bullshit. same shit over and over again.
@jmacwilli Good points. Going forward Nash needs to intimidate to be effective. I saw flashes last season and when he gets that game face on and uses that powerful stride of his it intimidates defenders and goalies and he scores. He's got to use that body more and I believe he will. No he did not want to fight of course but he did have words and dropped the gloves in defending his centerman. I liked that just because it was absent last season. that was a ridiculous hit at that stage of the game. This is really good coming from him regardless of his intentions. He'll never be a "tough guy" but he can still add some intimidation to the mix. We need that from him.
@mellowfilmzNY yeah. the one where girardi skated away. shit. i wish that hadnt come up.
@Free Lindberg dude this group of players hasnt changed since last year, torts couldnt do anything with them and neither will av. they need to get more physical and av is a panzie
@NYR44 I think it had more to do with VAN having Luongo, and BOS having Thomas. Sure, BOS was way more physical, but the series did go 7 and goaltending was the difference.
@Iron Mike Need talented big guys who hit hard and intimidate and can score goals like Lucic. I don't see him getting into that many fighte but he hurts the opposition and makes them keep their heads up and makes the opposition think twice about going after the smaller guys on his team. Fighting is a bonus. Our defense doesn't hit or clear the crease. Good skaters and poke checkers but nobody to make the opposition fearful and I'm not talking about fighting.
@boogiepicker the only way to fix it is to bring in a guys like dubinskky prust and rupp the rest of the finess guys have more room to make plays and the d has more time to move the puck problem solved
a prime example is delzatto hes great when hes got time and room to move otherwise you see what happens
@boogiepicker I've always felt that the teams in the west play with more finesse, and the teams in the east play with more toughness. I thought it was kind of weird/ironic/fitting, that AV comes in here to try to bring a more finesse style to our team, and gets to start the preseason and season off by mostly playing west coast teams. I don't think this teams is going to be as bad as it might have looked last night, but I think AV will be in for a little shell shock when he comes home and has to play the Flyers and Bruins more than just one game a season.
@lennynyr I've been thinking about this a lot in the past 12 hours, especially after reading an article on PuckDaddy about the end of fihgting in hockey. It's inevitable that one day in the not too distant future, fighting ill most likely be banned, or at least be a significant penalty with some form of a suspension of monetary losses attached to it.
The role of the enforcer is slowly but surely disappearing. Not every team has a Colton Orr or George Parros. They don't need them, it doesnt fit any more. Tortorella didnt have any use for Brashear and John Scott because they didn't contibute. He'd rather have a guy like Prust who can chip in 10 goals, kill penalties, AND fight once in a while. How Colton Orr has managed to play on so few teams is beyond me. John Scott on the other hand, bounces from team to team. People think they need an enforcer, then he just ists on the bench.
I think your comment just summed it up. Our tough guys aren't big and our big guys aren't tough. Instead of looking for the next enforcer, this teams need to find the next Lucic. Run guys over, and be near the top of your team in scoring. He can drop the gloves if he wants to, but he can have the same impact by just slamming you into the boards.
@DaveFL I see what you did there...
@RZimm2 @TheNYRBlog No.
@IcyCup @shoot_the_goalie I did say "as far as our current roster" Icy. That's how sad our current roster is in terms of having a bruiser who can actually play. Asham at least has shown he can contribute offensively and has a really wicked shot. Dorsett, not so much.
Maybe Avery will come out of retirement now that Torts is gone? (not serious about this) I know lots of people didn't like Avery for whatever reasons, but the guy did agitate, did fight, and did score goals. Whether he did it for the team or for himself, that's debatable.
Your comparing Nash to arod????? Arod was the best player in the league for a decade (steroids or not)... Not to mention he won a World Series, while Nash has won one series and he had 0 goals in it.
Don't compare Nash to arod, they are in two different leagues
@shoot_the_goalie i was talking about the roster over the last several seasons. asham is just the enforcer "flavor of the month" that is brought in to handle the entire teams toughness. in one roster spot. and he decides to rework his game and try to bring some finesse into his game. he sucks just like all of the other enforcers brought in recently.
and yes, i miss avery too.
@Free Lindberg point well taken good job!
people are perpetually disappointed with arod and i get that feeling when i look at nash