Andrew Gross at the Bergen Record is concerned that the Rangers silence on the status of Rick Nash (concussion) could mean another Michael Sauer situation.
And if Nash's concussion does lead to a long term absence or even retirement, Gross gives us the scenarios in which the Rangers can get out from under the remaining $39 million on his contract (ends in 2018)...
"Assuming Nash's health after this season, using the team's final compliance buyout on him makes little sense since, despite his $7.8 million annual salary cap hit, the cap recapture penalty in case he retires is only $200,000. Rather, the Rangers would have to put him on long-term injured reserve to avoid the cap hit."
Under the new CBA, a team who employs a player whose actual salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year will receive a "recapture penalty" in the event the player retires or “defects” from the NHL before the contract expires.
According to Cap Geek, placing a player on LTIR only provides relief if the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" begins to exceed the upper limit. The amount of LTI relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap — less the amount of cap space the team had at the time the LTIR transaction took place — and not the entire amount of the injured player's salary.
Eligible long-term injury space is calculated on the day the player is placed on LTIR. If the salary cap is $70.0 million and the team has a $69.0 million cap payroll the day Player A with a $4.0 million cap hit is placed on LTIR, the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" can only exceed the cap by $3.0 million at any point thereafter.
Breakdown: $69.0M + $4.0M - $70.0M = $3.0M
...this is obviously nothing more than speculation from Gross, but it is a bit frightening to see it being discussed.
...the fact that Nash isn't even around the team is beyond concerning and pretty much guarantees we're not going to see him until at least the middle of November.
...and since the Rangers have pretty much no other consistent scorer than Nash, you have to wonder where the goals are going to come from moving forward. Unless we all believe that Richards can keep this pace up.
...which is why AV needs to change up his philosophy and try to grind out wins. This team needs to hit, generate a relentless forecheck and, I hate to say it, get back to the defense they played under Torts which would cut down drastically on the gaffes that are currently being make in the defensive zone. Oh yeah, Lundqvist finding his game wouldn't hurt either.
I don't disagree with JustinRP or brian below. I was just so excited to watch Nash at the beginning of the year last year before the Lucic hit. He was a unique talent with incredible skill who really stood out on the ice. He did things no one else does and was always dangerous. Trading for THAT guy wasn't a mistake, in my opinion. It's just that he wasn't that guy for very long.
The worst part about this is the threat to his long term physical and emotional health. The second worst thing is that hockey itself might get robbed of an extraordinary talent. The impact on the Rangers' organization is 3rd, in my mind.
But I will say that people blaming Nash for getting concussions is just dumb. You cannot control how easy or hard it is to be concussed. I genuinely feel bad for Nash as I have had a concussion in lacrosse and they really suck. IMPACT testing is a great tool nowadays and you cannot play until they deem you healthy. But the way he was hit, with the elbow coming up under the jaw, makes it much easier to be concussed. Mouth guards not only protect teeth, they do prevent concussions, but clearly this was a hard jolt to his brain. So have some compassion for the guy and just hope that this won't be a major health issue for the rest of his life.
Some of the comments in this thread are really ridiculous. Either a hit concusses you or it doesn't; either a blocked shot breaks your bone or it doesn't. It has nothing to do with what's in a person's psyche or heart. Absurd. Why aren't we talking about how "soft" Callahan is?
Another thing. These players are actual, real, living, breathing human beings. They are not cartoon characters from a super hero comic with 82 issues per year. If you have no compassion for someone who gets truly hurt -- and does it basically for your entertainment -- then you're barely human and should reconsider posting publicly.
There are a (small) few here -- basically one person -- who needs a lesson in entitlement and basic human dignity.
This is obviously all payback from the hockey gods for the goal by McDonagh against Quick.
When do Rangers get bounces like that? It goes against the laws of nature. The powers that be aren't happy.
Man, if reading this doesn't get u angry about the team's lack of a response to that hit during the game then nothing will. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
Could really care less about financials here. I care about a human beings health first. And kinda stupid to speculate otherwise. You don't rush back from concussions. Maybe his postseason play was because of the concussion last year. Maybe now he is deciding to make sure he is healthy this go around.
I don't think the cause for this article is as much the discussion of his status right now, but its the conversation that's going to start towards the end of the season, which is "Do we buy out Richards or Nash?"
Right now, Richards is at least a leader in the room (compared to Nash) and producing (we'll see how that continues), but is owed 6.7 mil until 2020 (not really owed that much bc of his weighted contract, but thats the cap hit savings).
Nash, on the other hand, is owed 7.8 mil per until 2018 and is arguably one of the biggest talents in the league, but who can't stay on the ice for more than half a season, who has yet to perform in the playoffs, and who seems to push every team he's on down to a mediocre level regardless of the coach and the talent around him.
Gross seems to be indicating that it would the wrong decision to buy out Nash because of the cap-recapture savings on Nash if he were on LTIR or retired vs. keeping Richards and risking him retiring with two years left of his deal and worrying about those cap penalties. I'd think the only question is "How stubborn will Nash be about this?" Does he see one more concussion as being his limit, at which point he'll retire rather than struggling through the rest of his life like Marc Savard or Chris Pronger? Or will he be stubborn about it, continually trying to get back it in, like Eric Lindros.
@JustinRP37 I'm with you bro. I was against it before the trade deadline and afterwards. Even when they didn't offer kreider. Losing Arty killed me at the time, I thought for sure he'd keep developing. Maybe he and dubi hit their ceilings, but they were gritty guys. Arty played soft in the beginning but tightened his game up.
Now we have the softest power forward in the league who never won a playoff game (before NYR). He is almost 30. Meanwhile, Dubi and Arty just hit their primes. Sure, other teams keyed in on Nash in the playoffs, but he did play top line for Canada when they won the gold, so it's not like he couldn't handle it then.
Everyone was all "WHO IS GONNA SCORE? WHO IS GONNA SCORE IF WE DONT GET NASH? HES A WORLD CLASS TALENT. ANYTIME YOU CAN GET A NASH, YOU GET HIM"
Gabby showed more toughness and that dude is (was) glass.
It was supposed to be Gabby and Nash, right? 1-2 punch. Speedy guy and power foward... Balance the top 2 lines...
Then we traded Gabby to replace the depth we traded for Nash. Now we have like 300 3rd and 4th liners.
We needed AV like 2 years ago. We need Torts now.
Hockey is a weird sport.
Just call up all the kids and let it run for like 20 games. See where we stand after that
@Easy_Kreider I actually called them today to see if there was an opening. lol
Everything since that game has been sickening... Even the win over the caps was overshadowed by the Callahan injury
Your right I won't. I don't care what you guys say... That hit wasn't that bad of a hit, and I thought the brower hit on stepan was worse. I just think Nash has a head problem because if cally takes that hit he isn't getting a concussion.... That's for sure
@johnnyb3910 You're 100% correct, but if Nash is going to miss this season they're going to need the cap relief to replace him via trade, so it's relevant in season as well.
@johnnyb3910 I know wade redden was dead weight, but does anyone think that it was a little rushed to buy him out given the situation we are in now? (not saying I think this, just trying to grab an opinion on the matter in hind sight)
@pkh33 there is one Lucic in the league. No one even compares to him. There is no other Lucic.
@xanadu61 what does being a soft player have to do with taking a cheap shot elbow to the head? Nash was actually starting to play more physical this year as it was. Bobby Orre said it yesterday on the WFAN.....guys are getting out of control when it comes to head hits and retaliation in this league. Too many talented players are having their careers shortened from cheap shots. I hope this isn't the case with Nash.
@brian2686 @JustinRP37 honestly id love to see kreider kristo miller and lindberg on this team rather than pyatt powe boyle etc etc ...but if were healthy its stepan nash richards, callahan hagelin krieder brassard zuccarello pouliot... those lines would win games... we just need to get through these injuries and stay above water
-1. I'm not talking about how bad the hit was I was talking about the lack of response when ur star player gets his bell rung. Read the WORDS.
@FREE MASHINTER that's a good point, but even if he decides to shut it down for this year, but intends to play next year, then its short term cap relief and we'd have to find someone to trade for who is a FA at the end of the year, otherwise you can say goodbye to Cally or Hank next season.
@mlsranger @johnnyb3910 Someone threw that out in another thread. The quick answer right now is probably "Yes", but hindsight is 20/20. If the Rangers had just made him a healthy scratch, or played him, I believe his cap hit would have been $6.5 Mil through the end of this year. It's tough to imagine how we would have fielded a team last season or this seaon without that money. We had enough trouble signing Step, Hags and McD this offseason as it was.
The odds are it would have prevented us from making the Nash trade in the first place, or would have combined some trades, maybe Gaborik for Nash straight up. He probably would have gotten bought out this summer anyway, to make room for contracts for guys like McD and Step.
@Trade DelZotto+Girardi4E.Kane I thought that guys was Mashinter? lol
@calithirteen @xanadu61 I don't think its that he's more or less "soft" than anyone else, but its hard to not watch the two hits that have concussed him and think "That looked rather routine". There was nothing malicious about the hit to the boards last year from Lucic that was concussion #1, and while Brad Stuart was certainly head-hunting, Nash saw it coming and braced, but the elbow got him high. Compared to the hit to the head that Step took in Washington, completely blindisided by a player moving in the opposite direction, you'd expect Step to be the one with the concussion.
@xanadu61 @calithirteen @johnnyb3910 Did you hit your head today? I never said Nash has to retire nor did i say that any player who gets concussed has to! This is all in response to you questioning Nash's toughness for the fact that he got a concussion off a "soft" hit according to you. I don't know what will happen to Nash but plenty of players in this league have been forced to retire because of multiple concussions. Obviously there is risk in playing any contact sport. I hope he returns just like crosby did after his extended absence. Point of all this, is that you are pathetic for questioning his toughness because he suffered a concussion on hits you consider to not be hard!
I'm not commenting on Nash's "softness" I was simply saying that the hits that caused his concussions, especially the first one from Lucic, could be deemed as "routine". You're right, science has shown that every person out there reacts to concussions differently. Which is my point in saying that Step walked away from his hit and was cleared after proper protocol. That's why Marc Savard and Chris Pronger are still suffering the effects of concussions while other players are leading normal lives after hockey. There's also science that says it's extremely risky for a player to continue playing upon receiving a concussion. Sidney Crosby was sidelined for months with what people thought was his forts concussion, until science proved he had actually received the initial concussion days earlier, making the second injury that much worse. The fact that Nash finished that game in Boston could be a turning point for him.
Yes, we're being a little cold here, talking about salary caps and trades when a persons health is at stake. But that's sports, it unfortunate but that's how it goes. We're not the only fans having conversations like this, and it's not because we're heartless.
@calithirteen @johnnyb3910 @xanadu61 Then with your expertise concerning concussions...after the 1st one.....you really need to retire...because the 2nd one is going to be worse and so on......These players know the risk and the reward. They should put a clause in their contracts that say if concussed, don't expect to sue the league or get paid. That should put an end to cheap shots. But back to the point......Nash should just hang it up under your expertise?
@johnnyb3910 @calithirteen @xanadu61 a hit that results in a concussion does not have to be malicious. You guys have no idea what you are talking about and having experienced a concussion 1st hand, I am well aware of the risks of even basic hit on a player can have after the 1st concussion has been dealt. You guys are talking out of your asses!
@xanadu61 @calithirteen so does that mean NFL players are also soft since concussions are on the rise? Read a book and learn some facts. Athletes today are bigger, faster, stronger than ever before. That's a fact. And just because guys played hard hockey back then doesn't mean they different suffer from head trauma after their careers ended. If concussions are not such a big deal why does the NHL have all of these new protocols in place for players w/ head injuries?
also in case you didnt notice...nash was back on the ice the very next shift and played the rest of the period. Kind of hard to call the guy soft considering he continued to play concussed when he should not have
maybe you haven't heard about the effects of head trauma in professional sports???? You know, the NFL just settled a multibillion dollar settlement as a result of so many former players suffering from concussions.
@xanadu61 @calithirteen I know that might appear to not look like anything but Brad Stuart essentially uppercuts Nash with his elbow. I guess you haven't heard as well that once you have 1 concussion, it doesn't take much force to the head to end up with another one. As for the helmets: they use the same material for padding that was used 60 years ago. It compresses on impact and does little to protect against concussions. Look up the helmet company that Messier was working with that designed a helmet specifically for this reason.
@calithirteen Plus, over the years the players are well protected from the previous years of banging, hard checking and not to mention no helmets. The new generation of hockey players are soft in general, with the exception of the few who can take the hit and deliver it.