Coming into training camp, Alain Vigneault let it be known that veterans were initially going to get a longer look as he familiarized himself with his new team.
Which is why we've seen guys like Taylor Pyatt (zero points, -6), Beniot Pouliot (zero points, -3) and Mats Zuccarello (zero points, -2) get top six minutes while JT Miller, Chris Kreider and Oscar Lindberg were sent to the AHL.
Well, it looks like AV has joined the Rangers fan base in finally having enough with his underperforming vets (via Daily News)...
"We have some players right now that are getting a real good opportunity to show what they can do. Some guys are getting top-six forward minutes, power play time, and some guys' production is not where it needs to be to stay in those spots (over) the long term. So they're aware of that. I don't have to mention any names. But (Miller) would be one of the possibilities of moving up there if people don't produce."
Vigneault added that he won't think about filling the vacant 13th forward position until after tonight's Capitals game when the coaching staff will re-evaluate where the team is at.
...if the waiving of Biron and Asham didn't put the Rangers players on notice, that quote just did.
...looks like tonight's game is going to be the last opportunity for the guys I listed above (and maybe a few others) to make a good impression on AV before he decides to move the Rangers forward without them. It finally appears that Vigneault is done evaluating his team and is ready to go to battle with the players who "grabbed it."
...i've got to admit, I was a little worried that the players were beginning to take advantage of AV's laid back, hands off approach, as their lack of attention to detail suggested a perceived absence of accountability, but that's all changed the last two days. Between cutting players loose and now this shot across the bow, Vigneault seems to finally be putting his stamp on this team and I for one am ecstatic.
...now we just have to hope the players respond.
Here's Vigneault's entire post practice presser from yesterday...
I hate to say it, but Ranger fans put a bit too much faith in Zuccarello. The guy is about 5'6"...sure he plays at times like a guy bigger than he is, but the fact is...he's small. I'm not really sure what fans really expect from him, but we need size on this team.
I don't understand why Marty got tossed so soon. After 5 games? I mean really .... very few were playing well.
Not giving up on Zuccarello. Too many of his passes are mishandled or simply missed by linemates. He probably should take more shots than he does.
The answer is easy if you see it logically. Pouliot, Pyatt, and Zuccarello are all, at best, mediocre players who need to play with very good players to raise their game. The Rangers have no exceptional players. At their very best, they were a collective bunch of blue-collar workers, all working together. These three must go to rebuild the roster.
Pat Leonard, in the Daily News, thinks that the unnamed players that Vigneault mentioned are Benoit Pouliot, Taylor Pyatt and Mats Zuccarello.
Those three players have combined for ZERO points and a total of 21 shots on goal.
My TV does work he noticed Pyatt is not producing. Finally.
Another note is Conor Allen old enough to travel to Washington himself?
I was against this hiring from the get go! Hes another retread coach. Mark Messier should have been given the job!
I for one don't want some of these guys to respond tonight. Pyatt and others can have another bad night, waive them and bring in the kids.
So great that AV is putting his own stamp on our team, because he's has had so much success in his career, with exactly 0 Stanley Cups won and just one trip beyond the second round of the playoffs in 11 NHL seasons as a head coach.
I like Pouliot and I like the Brass, Pouliot, Zucc line. Pouliot I think can find those spots in front of the net and battle for positioning and when you have two play makers around him and one that has the ability to thread a puck through a couple skates and sticks in Brass, Pouliot will find his name on the scoresheet. When I look at this lineup I'd love to see Krieder in for Pyatt and MIller in for Asham for good but I think I'm preaching to the choir.. Let these two work out their kinks on this level. I think they've proven they have the ability to dominate and a lower level. Also, Miller seems like a bit of a dick. Who says he can't have an agitation aspect to game or eventually be that Prust-type player that stands up for his team mates? More talented than prust and avery but he does seem like he has that sandpaper side to him. I'd love for him to use it.
So he dumps some dead weight & of course theres Kevin praising him. His teams been an embarrassment to this point & still you continue to praise this guy! WTF?
IDK - Pouliot has looked good except for finishing. Zuccs has had chances including a goal post, and unconverted nice passes, though at times has been invisible. Step wasn't mentioned here, nor Brass, neither of whom has done much. These guys ( minus Pouliot) have to get back to where they were last playoffs. Really except for Cally and Richy no one is "grabbing it" upfront, and the defensive game is lost trying to figure out the system. It's early, new system and all but coach should know who's giving 101% effort and who isn't and give those guys who work hard and consistent the most ice time since no one is really playing well yet.
I love it. Look...if you're going to be a middling to bad team you may as well do it with youth. Not only do you see what you have and possibly uncover a gem, but more important you have much greater flexibility due to the lower salaries. The Rangers are not that good. When the trade deadline arrives they could get some good players for Hank, Girardi, DZ, Boyle and who'd of thought, but Richards as well. Add whatever they get back to Cally, Step, Hags, Staal, McD, JT Miller, Fast and they could turn this around pretty quickly.
Well tonight's game is very simple. Stay disciplined and stay out of the box and the rangers win. Take penalties and lose. The caps are a terrible 5 on 5 team but feast on their PP which is about 60 percent effective (that's better than some teams pk efficiency. If Dorset takes 3 dumb penalties again the rangers will get smoked
Would like to see these lines of (Pyatt only because we have to)....ideally, our 4th line should be a crash line, and Pyatt and Fast would not be there...but I went with what we have to work with. I think all of these lines combine skill and grit...something I don't see with the lines we currently have put together..(Grit with Pyatt is a reach, I get it)
Good. Let's see what happens. The guy was hired because he's had a great record as a coach...let's hope he understands that this team needs a bit of a hard ass right now to get them playing like a good team again.
Wow, waiving Biron and Asham and bringing up Miller is his "stamp" on the team?! How impressive! A better stamp would be addressing our still comatose PP, weakest defense we've seen in 10 years and lack of ANY checking at all.
Idk. Having to shuffle his lines around because they are 1-4 and have been out scored 20-3 in the past three games doesn't seem like anything to get ecstatic over. But I love the optimism. And a 730 start tonight! LGR!
Pyatt should been cut before training camp and team should have used the $$ to sign Brandon Morrow... The older version of Ryan Callahan...
@KreidOrDie Can't sit Dorsett, Rangers only have 12 forwards on the roster.
@Betweentheworlds pretty much spot on...
@MikeMagoo And that's what he's hoping to do by putting these guys on notice. What would you rather he do, sit back and hope it rectifies itself?
@MikeMagoo not sure what you've been watching but I don't think our PP% has ever been this high the past few years. Also 10th in the league in PP% stat...
@AnnoyingJoe I think it's 8pm.
@MikeMagoo Agreed. The PP looks better and has been much more effective (23.5%) so far this season than it has in at least a few seasons. Half of our goals this year (4 out of 9) have been on the PP and 3 out of the 5 non-PP goals have been scored by Richards. In the last 10 seasons, they have had a PP% in the 18% range 3 times (2 of those were 7-10 years ago) and a whole lot in the 15% and less range.