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“I’m not going to criticize the way Torts went about his business. We got used to it and we did have a certain amount of success. But with Vigneault, it’s more on us to hold each other accountable."
That my friends is why we suck. No accountability.
Damn, these headlines are brutal. I mean, compared to some of the other games this season, this one wasn't all that bad. If could definitely have been better, but these headlines just made me choke on my caramel macchiato.
What is the difference between Rod Gilbert and Yvan Cournoyer? Oh yes, one actually won a few Stanley Cups with a team that has true history.
"“I respect Torts as a coach, but there are different methods of coaching and different ways to win a championship,” Brad Richards said. “Torts only won once, you know.”"
Ouch...not rebuilding that bridge any time soon, I guess...
@JustinRP37 I like how Staal said he's not going to criticize and then goes on to do just that. ha.
@JustinRP37 Not disagreeing, but I think its important to differentiate between "The coach not holding anyone accountable" and "The coach expecting the players to hold each other accountable". Like I said below, there are a lot of young leaders in our room (the most important one isn't in the room right now), and they've spent the past few years only having to do part of the job. But the idea of the players holding each other accountable isn't a foreign concept in sports. AV is challenging guys like Staal and McD and Stepan to develop their leadership skills. It doesn't happen over night. In time, guys will either develop and rise to the top, or sink and either be followers or ex-Rangers.
But its not a switch you can just throw. Part of it is on the players to develop, and part of it is on AV to recognize where he still needs to step in as these guys grow.
@johnnyb3910 Seriously. That article pretty much showed how the players soured on Torts. I mean, nobody really had anything good to say about him except that they had "some success". Even Staal seemed tired of Torts, and Staal seems like a even keeled guy. Wow.
Richie's comment sounds harsh (and clear he and Torts' relationship is pretty damaged), but I think he's more making the point that Torts isn't as great of a coach that many people make him out to be. (which I agree)
I mean, do we all think Marc Andre Fleury is a great goalie cause he won one Cup with PIT? And to JustinRP37's point, do we think Richie is a great player cause he won one Cup (and Conn Smythe) once with TB? Hardly.
I wish they would interview Gabby, but I'm sure he's moved on. Seems pretty happy in CBJ.
@johnnyb3910 Yeah and apparently AV is not the right method. Richards or Nash will be bought out this off-season, so not to worry. And do tell me, Richards, how many cups do you have? Oh right ONE with that same coach that has ONE!
@shoot_the_goalie @johnnyb3910 I think a coaches resume vs a players resume is hard to compare. A player can just be along for the ride, or just get hot at the right time. A coach, though, is responsible for the system/methods/style that gets to team seeded and then moving through the playoffs. That being said, a championship in any sport is the ultimate goal because its so hard to reach. The majority of players will never lift the cup, and a vast majority may never even be close.
I think AV's style will eventually take hold, but its going to take some time. he relies on the players to be the leaders. Our lockerroom is currently missing our two best leaders from last year: Cally and Torts. The next few months will be a learning experience. The guys who will stick will start to stand out, while the guys who need to leave will become painfully obvious. Sather is asking a lot of the current group to learn the new system and develop their leadership skills at the same time. I thinkwe'll see this team take a big step in the right direction when Cally comes back. Until then it will be up and down.
@johnnyb3910 @shoot_the_goalie Good points, and I agree. However, I do also think that a coach can also be "along for the ride" when winning a Cup too, because they benefit from a roster full of great players (PIT - Bylsma) or a team that gets healthy & hot at the right time (LA - Sutter) (EDM - Muckler)
Bylsma & Sutter I think are actually good coaches, but Muckler is the perfect example of a mediocre coach who got a Cup on his resume cause he benefited from the team playing well at the right time, not because of his great coaching.
With that said, don't think Torts is a bad coach, but he's not a great coach either which is basically what I think Richie's point was.