#NYR GM Glen Sather on growing pains : "I expected some but I didn't think it would be this bad." Saw some improvement after 1st period— Steve Zipay (@stevezipay) October 11, 2013
...wait, Sather didn't expect that changing his Eastern Conference Finalist roster full of blue collar, hard working, lunch pale players who fans loved into the 2011-12 Columbus Blue Jackets who went 29-46-7 would be this bad? If Dolan actually realized he owned a hockey team, that would be grounds for immediate dismissal.
...no person's reputation is more on the line this season than Sather's. He turned over a winning roster. He fired a Stanley Cup winning coach. He hasn't sniffed the Stanley Cup in his 13 years as GM with the Rangers. You want a face to put on this mess, just check out the guy in the press box with the silver hair chomping on a cigar.
...and that idea terrifies me as Sather could be forced into making panic moves just to save his own hide.
I think this hat pretty much describes the transformation over the last 16 months (via reader Allyson G.)...
Meanwhile, in an effort to give his star netminder a game off to lick his wounds, Alain Vigneault has announced Marty Biron will get the start in St. Louis tomorrow night.
...hey, why not. Maybe having the back up in there will force the rest of the team to play some, you know, actual defense.
A bad start was to be expected due to the Callahan and Hagelin injuries and the Stepan holdout. (Additionally, the reintroduction of a personal demon from Brassard's past is seeming dumber every day.) Unfortunately, the start this year might have an undue bearing on Hank's future with the team.
Re: Tortorella, I don't think he would have gotten us back to the ECF. He really got the most out of that '11-'12 team (a lot of good luck helped); however, he no longer had the same team and seemed to be unable to change his approach. Also, I don't think he should be associated with team toughness--last year's team had very little "fight."
In an ideal world, we shouldn't have to choose between team toughness and a little bit of offense. If you have the right players (and this is on Sather), you can have both.
btw... it already looks like this recent draft class was the deepest in years (like they said it would be). This kid Monahan on Calgary is great, Hertl, and so many of the others... Add that as another thing we LOST in the Nash trade
It is what it is. The Rangers are not big enough, fast enough, tough enough, or talented enough to be anything more than a middling team....at best. Damn....I am not a doomsayer at all, never have been, but when you have a dog in the room you call it a dog, not a cat.
The solution is and has been for sometime to get rid of Sather, but the owner either doesn't care, or is simply just not that astute. Torts got he most out of what he had, but it was untenable over time. You may be able to beat a weaker horse to compete for one race but it simply will not work for long.
The Rangers lost me for years after Dolan bought the team and it was only Torts success that brought me back. They will likely lose me again and it's not the players, it's the management. Why go to McDonalds if they keep ordering bad meat and serve it uncooked with no bun. This company is incompetent. Why continue to buy its product. This year will show me...
btw in other news... Kristo ties it up late in the third (he now has 2G 3A in 3 games). Kreider has a goal tonight (2G, 1A on the season), Miller has a goal (3 goals) and Lindberg has 2 assists (3A)... at least our young talent can play....
From @EliasSports: The NYR are first team since the Thrashers (Nov. 2000) to lose consecutive games in the same season by 6 goals or more.
I think the "panic move" was at the end of last year when they fired Torts. Slats was trying to save his own skin. Didn't want to admit he constructed a team that wasn't built to win and didn't want to build the team Torts wanted.
So Slats turned little dissension in the ranks into a media hell fire for Torts and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Now we're stuck with Slats, Richards (because slats refuses to admit its the players and not the system - I realize he's been the best player so far this year), and a coach that thinks he's in the West Coast with an all-star team roster...
This is absolutely Sathers fault...Benoit Pouilet and Brassard? What did Sather expect, that these 2 who have NEVER lived up to their potential would magically start producing? Pouilet is painful to watch
Yeah, Torts was AWFUL. A good coach gets the best out of his best players in the playoffs. He never did, ever.
Obviously something is terribly wrong with this team right now. But that doesn't absolve Torts.
I rarely defend Sather but I've got to here. The moves he made were popular with almost everyone at the time. In retrospect, the worst one was letting Prust go, but pretty much no one thought he was in the wrong there. Yeah, the team has lost some edge and grit, but the roster is still deep and has a lot of character.
No one can explain why they're so awful this year. Especially with so few changes from a team that went to the 2nd round of the playoffs.
But I'll say this. TORTS WAS AN AWFUL COACH. He went into the playoffs every year with a team full of guys who were exhausted and didn't know their roles. Every year the top players had awful playoffs under Torts and that was no coincidence. Looking back and second-guessing is pointless. This team has good players who are playing horribly. I don't know the cause, but Glen Sather isn't it. And I'm NOT a fan of Sather.
One last thought... biggest difference between this team and the team from 2 years ago is the play of Dan Girardi. He's gone from being an All-Star to being mistake prone, and that's hurt the Rangers big time. I love Dan. I will always be a fan. But his play has slipped big time. Last season and this season.
i see some positives in all of this.
when would be the best time to go through the ass kicking that the team has received so far?
since it didnt sink in during training camp (which took place on 2 different coasts just before a nine game road trip against big fast teams), when is the best time for the rangers to learn these changes?
this debacle has also done something painful yet important. it has laid it all out and exposed the weaknesses of every single player. more so than any training camp could. when is the best time for that to occur?
do any of these points make me feel any better about the anal resizing that this team has endured recently?
i saw Hertl's fourth goal on thechive.com when all i wanted to see was some girls from florida making self shots in the mirro with the "duck face". awesome. so glad that that particular hot dog shot which has been around for EVER reached the collective human consciousness against the rangers.
First of all, it's 4 freakin' games. Everyone just calm the eff down. Do they look like crap, yes. But it's 4 effin' games. Anyone who thinks that this team has suddenly forgotten how to play hockey because the replaced 1 successful coach with another successful coach is delusional. Second, Sather's a 105 years old. He doesn't give a shit about saving his own skin. I do think he wants to end his career on a high note, but there's no way he's worried about his job. And finally, it's 4 friggin' games. If they're still in this shape by the end of November, fine, everyone can go. For now, how bout we see what they're made of. "Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss" Buck up little campers, we'll beat this slump together!
@johnpnj Perhaps he is asking himself , "What kind of Future do I want with this team........this coach.......and this management?"
@Beckfan5 i heard 5 mil a year.
@Trade DelZotto+Girardi4E.Kane well, our young talent can play...in the AHL. But no harm bringing them up even if they're not ready, since the NHL team isn't so great right now.
@Trade DelZotto+Girardi4E.Kane who would you replace them with on Dee?
@jvr its going to be three
@GiveGartneraCup Don't think it was a panic move to save Sather. He's done much worse here and has still kept his job, so don't think he's too worried about saving his own job. I think everyone, players to management got weary of Torts (same way they did in TB) and they wanted a change. Unfortunately, change is coming hard right now.
@jvr Maybe if Zucc got on Boyle's shoulders and they had an extra long hockey stick?
@jvr I really would like Zook on the pine and have Miller up.
@Andrew794 sather has ALWAYS gone after these reclamation efforts. a change of scenery for first round draft picks that other teams have given up on. the list is long. longer than i care to remember.
@Andrew794 Brassard looked pretty good last year during the regular season and was undoubtedly the best forward in playoffs.
@PharmerBern I think what we're seeing in this early season is how mediocre the NYR roster really is and has always been. Someone said it well the other day. Our 1st line center would be elite teams' 2nd line center. Our 2nd line center would be elite teams' 3rd line center, and so on.
I've never been a fan of Torts, but Torts was able to take a bunch of average players and make them good in the aggregate. You take 5 guys who are ok, make them learn the same way to defend, then use a collapsing defensive system, and volia, you have a pretty solid defensive core because you're stressing the idea that everyone else covers up for each other's mistakes. (Renney did this to a lesser extent) AV's system doesn't really allow for that, so when someone makes a mistake, there's less ability to cover up for them, which leads to gaping defensive miscues like we've been seeing recently.
The problem with Torts, is that molding all your players to play a certain way limits their creativity, which usually hinders offense. So the NYR under Torts were great on D, but very deficient in scoring goals. This was even more glaring under the PP, when individual creativity of a hockey player is at it's most important.
But regardless, Torts eventually lost the players and management, so it's silly to even think about bringing Torts back or saying it was silly to fire him, cause by the end of last year, it was obvious that they didn't want to play for him anymore, and the last thing you want is a stubborn coach and players who have no desire to play for him.
@PharmerBern Brilliant assessment......brilliant! Please hurry and inform The Canucks while the ink is still wet on Torts' contract!
@PharmerBern Really? That's what we're supposed to get out of this? That Torts was an awful coach? Even with this roster, which is the exact same as last year in a lot of ways, they never played THIS badly. EVER. I'm sorry but I was never for firing Torts and I would take him back in a heartbeat.
@IcyCup THE post of the 2013-14 season thus far.
@IcyCup Your last paragraph is pure gold! KCCO!
I'm disappointed that we'll have to watch that over and over and over now with a Rangers Sweater getting beat, but atleast its not Hank...
@gravey94 Is it four friggin' games? lol
@jslnyr1102 @Trade DelZotto+Girardi4E.Kane I would ask for Mark Stuart back from them a 6'2" 219 pound dman (making 1.7)... he doesnt put up big poiints, but is defensively sound and makes people pay (and fights). Then I would bring up Allen and put those two guys as the 5 and 6.
Also Johnson as been a stud down with the Whale i have heard... 4 assists in 3 games, and played a very solid game
@johnnyb3910 go for the gold baby. go for the gold...
@Trade DelZotto+Girardi4E.Kane The way Girardi is playing I wonder if he fits in new offensive scheme.
@GiveGartneraCup @jslnyr1102 @Trade DelZotto+Girardi4E.Kane No but there were rumors about the Jets wanting to move Kane for defense at the deadline last year, but the Rangers obviously were not willing to move Girardi so they dropped out... Jets have not liked his attitude for a few years now, and have been shopping him on and off for awhile now... Also they need defensive defenseman...
@Trade DelZotto+Girardi4E.Kane Kane and Nash on same line would be fun to watch
@jslnyr1102 hell yea it does... we would be getting Evander Kane... The defense can work itself out, but you have an opportunity to get a 22 year old power-foward that has already proven he can score at the NHL level... not to mention he is signed for 5 more years at a reasonable 5.25 salary