Update, 12:38 p.m.:
NHL reviews Caps' Troy Brouwer blindside hit on Derek Stepan, rules it accidental, which Brouwer had claimed immediately, so, there ya go— Steve Zipay (@stevezipay) October 17, 2013
I really didn't want to post this because I hate to diminish any of the positive energy still floating around here from last night's big win in Washington, but I feel I have to.
Just 47 seconds into the second period last night this happened...
Yes, the second blow to the head of a top Rangers player in an eight-day span. And as was the case after the Brad Stewart high hit on Rick Nash, here was the Rangers reaction...
Ok, that's a photo from the Rangers preseason game in Vancouver, but you get the picture.
Luckily for the Rangers, Stepan did return and was able to finish the game. Stepan said numerous times post game that he was "fine" and added this (via Bergen Record)...
“Yeah, it’s part of the game, it happens,” Stepan said. “I feel fine so that’s the good thing. Obviously I never saw him coming. I can’t sit here and say if he did one thing or another. It happens, it’s part of the game. He said something to me on the ice that he didn’t see me. That’s part of it, whatever."
Here's Vigneault's thoughts on the hit after the game...
“I just looked at the replay there. If he couldn’t see him, I don’t know what else he was looking at,” said Vigneault. “Obviously the principal point of contact was the head, so we’ll see.”
...seriously, where is this team's balls? Listen I'm happy the Rangers exacted revenge by winning the game, but the lack of a legit response (I don't care if Brouwer's hit was an accident or not) is becoming disheartening. I get that the game was still up in the air at that point and handing the Capitals top ranked power play an opportunity to cash in because of an instigator penalty probably isn't smart, but sometimes you just have to stick up for a teammate. To me, those are the penalties you can forgive and hopefully the pk steps up to kill off.
...in the last nine months we've seen Nash knocked out twice, McDonagh run from behind, Biron run over and now this. And not one of those incidents elicited a response from the Rangers. NOT ONE! And it will continue to happen until the Rangers make a stand. I don't care that the Pouliot and Zucc were the other two forwards on the ice, they needed to go right over to Brower and punch him in the face. Or in Zucc's case, bite him in the ankle. I can guarantee you this, once the Rangers begin to stick up for one another, these incidents will cease.
...and I have to ask, is AV against fighting? Because after Falk did this in this first period...
...i think he only saw about three shifts the remainder of the game. In other words, he was Bickel'd.
The best revenge is on the scoreboard. What a bunch of short-sighted bullshit, made even worse by the fact that it doesn't hold water because in the long run the Rangers will LOSE more often the result of both being bullied on the ice AND losing players to injury. We all love the Rangers but this team and organization just doesn't measure up. TWO years now of not standing up for your teammates (and screw the comment that they didn't see this. There is enough evidence over the last two years to say this as truth). This is a FUNDAMENTAL part of contact sports. Pussies.
This play is a hard call as to whether or not he was looking at the play and didnt see stephan. What concerns me is that attitude that the rangers are taking when plays like this materialize. On a play like this where most of the players on the ice didn't see what happened, i'm not expecting a big pile up, if so great but not a big deal if not. I also get AV not wanting his team to take a penalty w/ a tied score. However, retaliation does not always mean someone has to take a penalty. Next time Brouer is on the ice someone should have hit him and hit him hard. I'm not endorsing head shots but christ, hit the son of a bitch hard into the boards w/ a clean check to remind them of what happens when you F**K w/ the Rangers. We used to do this 2 years ago w/ guys like Prust and Rupp. Get it together!
I don't have such a big deal with there not being a response. I don't think Troy Brouwer is a dirty player. Hockey is a game in a restricted area with players moving around at a high rate of speed and people are going to accidentally run into each other (ahem...Darroll Powe). Yes, the principal point of contact was his head. But, this is hockey and stuff like that is going to happen and we shouldn't take a STUPID penalty (ESPECIALLY against Washington) after starting a dust up for an accidental collision.
I'm all for standing up for a teammate when somebody does something dirty. But, there is a time and a place for it and this wasn't one of them.
I kept rewinding the video and saw that McDonagh saw what happened because he pointed for a penalty and Zucc kind of just caught it as he was looking towards the Caps bench after it happened. Either way Mcdonagh saw the whole thing and should have went after brower. The bench was in an uproar because they saw the whole thing. Is it the players not sticking up for one another or AV?
anyone want to come fishing with me in the hudson this weekend? We are going to look for a specific pair of skates that were dumped in there by Sean Avery...
While I understand the point of the nay sayers I have discussed this with the young man that runs this page (and thanks again Sir) and if you grew up in Michigan as I did you understand the impact of the promise of retribution. While there are few enforcers now in the league that are even remotely close to the enforcers of the Wings in the 70s and 80s (who could skate, score, and were willing to hit anyone for any reason) you have to be able to make your skill players feel safe on the ice. Is it an illusion? SURE! They are gonna still get popped....but even the thought that you have their backs has to be worth something. In Hockey Town if you put one of ours in the boards you knew for certain one of yours was going over it and there was a better than average chance your goalie was going to catch a punch too. Scared me to death when my Rangers played the Red Wings.
We need someone like Avery,I don't mean we want Avery back cause that won't happen but that would be nice but someone like him that won't take anyone hitting our goalie or good players
Have to agree to disagree. I'm kinda getting tired of this sentiment. The bench was incensed (I was there right above the Rangers bench) and let Brouwer know it (although from my angle, he wasn't looking Stepan's way and I can honestly say, he didn't see him).
AV was yelling at the officials when they said they wouldn't call it because it was accidental, but even then AV pointed out there were too many men on the ice as well and they missed that call. Everyone was livid and it wasn't lost on the guys on the ice, but because it happened behind the play they had no idea what had happened. I'm sorry, but I don't subscribe to going after an opponent when you don't know exactly what happened. Stepan could have tripped and hit the ice all on his own and they wouldn't have known it.
After that, AV calmed everyone down (including himself) because, let's face it, we can't afford to go on a penalty kill and the officials warned AV against a bench penalty if our guys kept stick tapping and AV didn't stop complaining. We were in the game and playing hard. Taking a penalty then would have been stupid.
I think as fans, we can sometimes miss the fact that they do stand up for each other, but in more subtle ways than we want to see or than is obvious on TV. It may not be your brand of hockey, but I can't diminish it because sometimes it's more prudent to speak with the scoreboard and not instigator penalties.
I was with a friend last night who is legally blind. She can't see much but shadows but loves sports and enjoys them in her own way. She may not be able to see the actual play, but she can pick up every word said between the players on the ice, and while words may not be enough for you, they were being said out there in defense of Stepan and others after every hit or tough play.
I agree 100% Kevin, It's been going on for a few years. You and I both get it, but it appears that most importantly, the team doesn't get it. And some of the fan base doesn't get it. So what if the Rangers take a retaliation penalty, and the opposition scores, at least a physical statement would have been made.
At some point this team needs to take a stand or it'll continue to happen. Opponents aren't worried about retaliation.
I think the point Kevin is trying to make is that this team NEVER sticks up for their own, and something need to be done about it. Let me ask this, what if Nash doesn't come back this season?. What if Stepan had been concussed?. Would you guys still feel the same way?. I don't think so, this team is too passive when it comes to defending one another, and it's sickening. You don't see other teams putting up with this bullshit, do you? NO.
In correct on Falk - he played 8 shifts after that (only 3 in the second though but there may have been other reasons for that) equaling about 9 minutes of ice time which is what I expected him to get so you can take that part out of your argument :-P
As for the rest, you know my feeling so we can just agree to disagree.
gota be smart when to fight! rob is 100% correct! why fight and take a penalty and ultimately give them the momentum in that situation...I want our guys to stick up for eachother yes, but that'd be a bad time to fight in such a close game and then give the craps, I mean caps another PP.....makes no sense...
It's such an outrageous hit that the NHL probably let's it go as an accident. The only other explanation is that Brower threw a blindsided, head shot to a guy who didn't have the puck. It's so ridiculous that a player would do such a thing that the NHL has no option to believe him. To me, though, it looked very deliberate.
What message is it that we're trying to send? Say someone went over and got in Brouwer's face or cross-checked him. Is it going to stop him from hitting someone next time he has a chance? Hell no. Look at Kaleta, Lapierre, Torres, Cooke, they hit people and get retaliated against all the time. Does it stop them from hitting again? The retaliation does nothing to deter anything. It just makes us fans feel better because then we feel our players are tough.
While I understand your premise, I think getting the two points was more important last night than getting retribution. The Caps still have a good power play and could have easily made it a one goal game early in the third. That said, I do agree we are way to passive, especially when Henrik gets run. We do have three more games against the Caps and that better be filed away for future reference.
Honestly that particular hit looked accidental, Brower tried to get out of the way at the last minute and the point of contact was the body and not the elbow, though I would say accidental or otherwise someone should have at least been in his face and that did not happen, so I get the point of this but it appeared on the replay to be incidental contact that happens every game and Step needs to skate with his head up.
Oh so that's what hockey is? Hockey is also having pride and standing up for teammates no matter what.
48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.
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@1NYN8V Very cool that your friend still loves going to games! Really amazing that she can hear so much. And with being behind the bench im sure she could hear all the coaches and such. Would love to know what was said by the players, although im sure i can use my imagination ha.
@1NYN8V let the scoreboard do the talking? tell that to nash. keep trimming the weeds? NO. you yank them out from the roots.
@1NYN8V What's annoying is the justification that it was accidental. NHL "says" regardless of whether it's accidental or not, it should be a penalty and/or suspension, but then they go an claim no penalty called cause it was accidental contact. It certainly applies for stick infractions, why not elbows?
@1NYN8V Agree with you. Need to play tough not stupid. I want the victory vice a "moral" victory and a loss due to gooning it up after an accidental hit. I would have loved for someone to catch him on another shift with a hard legal hit though. Also, I think an accental head shot should be treated like an accidental stick to the face. Still not acceptable.
@1NYN8V Tough to argue with that assessment. Well done! Maybe you and your friend should take over for Pierre and Giannone, or at least be the Blog's eyes and ears. Kevin, make it happen ;-)
@1NYN8V come on man stop with your reasoning. If we don't send out a goon to break Brouwer's face the team is a bunch of pussies, don't you know anything?! :p
@FREE MASHINTER Did you honestly expect him to be? Clean record, no good video of the hit. Thanks for the help NBC!
@Melissa (blknblueshirts) Damn you providing facts with your argument.
@fs2020 yeah, this should be suspension. but i don't think it will
@gravey94 Those kinds of players want the retaliation so they can draw penalties. Retaliation actually would encourage them to keep up the same behavior. Especially if it gives their team the man advantage. Even if both go off they are likely taking someone off that is better than them so they still win.
To me it doesn't so much show a message to other teams or stop hits from happening in the future but it does show that our players are willing to stand up for eachother and willing to do anything for eachother. You don't have to go beat a guys face in for making a hit like this but going after him and showing Stepan your there for him which is important. How do you think Nash felt after he fought for Stepan a few days earlier and then no one was there for him? Do you think that makes him want to go out and run threw a wall for his team when no one is even willing to stand up for him? I think thats the biggest impact these kind of situations have.
@gravey94 So what are you trying to say? lol
@CareyBrandsdorfer How does this help with anything at all? Falk is pretty much a more skilled Bickel. They both could fight and that's where the similarities end. Falk is bigger than Bickel, faster than Bickel, has better defensive and offensive instincts than Bickel. So how does replacing Falk with Bickel make any sort of sense?
Plus Bickel takes more penalties than Falk. In the 2011-2012 season, Bickel in 51 games took 108 penalty minutes with 12 of them being 5 minute majors for fighting. In the same season Falk in 47 games took 54 penalty minutes with 4 fights. You take out the fight totals: Falk takes 34 penalty minutes in 47 games, Bickel takes 48 penalty minutes in 51 games. Put that over a full season excluding fighting minutes, Bickel takes roughly 77 penalty minutes compared to Falk taking 59. Yes I did math. It was hard. That being said, I'll take Falk over Bickel any day of the week.
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@Betweentheworlds I'm surprised you think so. I look at the video and it looks very deliberate - as if he made no effot to avoid him as he went to the bench - like he was entitled, even though Stepan wasn't looking and didn't have the puck.
@shoot_the_goalie @1NYN8V Not going to argue with you there, but I'm thinking they are more looking at it as it wasn't even supposed to be a hit. I saw him coming off the ice towards the bench and from where I was sitting he was definitely looking down ice. He never saw Stepan until it was too late. Definitely accidental. Of course, it could be, and probably should be, argued that if you have to be in control of your stick, you need to be in control of your body too.
@gravey94 @1NYN8V LOL! Honestly, I would not have heard half of what was going on between the bench, the players and the officials without her there. I'd never attended a game with her before, but tickets were super cheap here in DC so we went at the last minute. Bet she'd be thrilled to commentate on a game based on sound alone. She'd put Pierre to shame. Of course, that's more a statement that Pierre just likes the sound of his own voice no matter what ridiculousness comes out of it. :p
@FREE MASHINTER Glad I could help ;-)
In all seriousness, I get where you're coming from but for this one (and I love Step so normally I am up in arms over stuff like this), we have no idea what the Rangers did cause we're lucky NBC even had video of the hit. Something does have to change, I'm just not sure taking penalties helps right now.
You may be right but in real time and video replay it looked like he tried to avoid Step at the last second and the hit could have been much worse. Point of head contact appeared to be shoulder or upper arm, not elbow. I realize this could have been a sneaky intentional jab but it appears otherwise and he's not that kind of player. Anyway this kind of stuff goes on every game and though a shove and a few words would have been appropriate we don't have to respond to every infraction real or imaginary to prove we're tough to the fans and media. Just play with an edge and don't back down and be ready to stick up for one another. I agree we need to do that more but I think this is a bad example abd as soon as I saw that unretaliated collision I knew it would be all over the blogs today