The New York Rangers (4-7-0) defeated the New York Islanders (4-5-3) by the score of 3-2, tonight. For a box score, go to Yahoo! Sports.
...damn, that was fun to watch. Can't remember the last time I watched a regular season Rangers game that exciting. If this is a sneak preview of what this team is capable of offensively under AV, we are in for a treat. The key now will be consistency.
...Kreider was an absolute beast tonight. To me, the problem with Kreider in the past has been he's put too much pressure on himself to score. Now he's just going out, playing hard and letting the game come to him. Great job by AV getting him in front on the power play, where he was an absolute force.
...i've never seen Hagelin as more than a third line player with speed, but he displayed top six talent tonight. He was all over the ice and contributed in every aspect of the game. And I absolutely loved when he pulled an Avery in the third period when he kicked Nabakov's glove icing the puck after whistle. Tons of energy.
...Zuccarello is easily the toughest little guy in the league. Doesn't back down from anyone. He's got a little skill as well.
...this Cam Talbot guy is a pretty cool customer. Not phased at all by a very pressurized environment tonight. Could easily see him getting 25-30 starts this season.
...Boyle has had a very under-rated season so far.
...one of the immediate dividends of Hagelin being re-inserted into the line-up was Pyatt properly being bumped to the fourth line, where I felt he had a pretty effective game.
...welcome to the season Derek Stepan! Maybe he is a #1 center. Still needs to start finishing though.
...speaking of finishing, it's about time Pouliot did after passing on a wide open net and flubbing a layup tonight.
...Dom Moore injury = Mashinter Time!!!!
...McDonagh power play goal pretty much guarantees Del Zotto doesn't sniff first unit extra man minutes for the rest of the year.
...ready to start a petition to get Girardi to take off the visor. Hasn't been the same player since donning it this season.
...wow, did Clutterbuck say something about Olivia Munn to Richards? Man, he was pissed at the end of the game. Big time props for standing up for a teammate.
...i know it was a bad hop, but you have to wonder if Staal gets a stick on that bouncing puck if he has two good eyes. After his -2 tonight, he's now a -11 in the last nine games.
...off tomorrow then home vs. the Sabres.
Post game reaction...
Pyatt is brutal. I like Boyle on the 4th line because he's good on the forecheck and decent on faceoffs. For a guy that's almost 7 feet tall i'd like to see him be a lot more physical. Zuccarello has to go. The guy gets top 6 minutes and in the time he's been with the team has proven to be a let down. When he came here all we heard was how great he played in Europe and how he's a great scorer and finisher. We haven't seen that. AT ALL!!!! I say Zucc and Pyatt need to sit and start giving their minutes to some of these kids we hear them talk so highly of. How much longer can we wait because Nash ain't coming back anytime soon. We need offense.
I'd send down Fast and bring up Kristo. How bad could he be? We still need more scoring. It doesn't look like Fast is ready yet. Also, somebody lit a fire under Pouliot. All his moves mean nothing if he doesn't put the puck in the net. I'd like to see a race between Rupp and Pyatt!
I can't help but agree with the Zuccarello comment. From what I see we have an undersized winger who is rumored to have a good offensive upside but has yet to deliver. At what point has Sather seen enough and finally realize that he's better off giving Kristo, Fast or any other kid a shot?
A few thoughts:
1. If this is the Kreider that we'll get for the rest of the season, I promise to stop calling him overrated if everyone else will admit that a little slice of Hartford humble pie did the kid some good.
2. Kev, are you going as Mashinter for Halloween? Cuz that's the next step in your obsession, followed by hyphenation. But DeLury-Mashinter does have a lovely ring to it.
3. You're not seriously blaming Girardi's visor, are you? Easy on the conspiracy theories. And why single him out? Everyone except Richards and Talbot has been inconsistent this year. I'm as anxious as anyone to see the boys turn it around, but blaming the visor?
4. I am LOVING me some Cam Talbot! I've been concerned about the future heir to the throne, but Prince Talbot is looking very, very good so far.
5. I am getting whiplash from one game to the next. "Trade Girardi - he's nothing but a shot blocker who can't defend!" "Trade Zuccarello, he's too small & can't finish!" "Buyout Richards anyway, even though he's got a third of the team's goals, because, screw that guy!" And then after a win... "EHRMAGEHRD, I LOVE EVERYONE - GROUP HOCKEY HUGZ!" Are people seriously that capricious? I'm sorry, but Girardi's body of work with the Rangers & Zucc's heart (anyone else remember him not backing down from Chara in the playoffs, or is that just me?) have earned them a little leeway. I'm not about toss them aside, given that the entire team needs to gel & pick up their game (and please-oh-please let last night's game be an indication that it's coming around), as well as how many key players have been injured this season.
Do people really not remember how awful the years of chasing bright shiny trades and free agency were? How well did Naslund, Drury, Gomez, Holik, Antropov, Zherdev, Redden (need I go on?) work out for us? How much have we suffered with the loss of guys like Prust & Dubinsky, who didn't seem "worth it" at the time, but in retrospect meant a LOT to the team's identity and chemistry? Do we really want to go back to the revolving door days? I'm not saying that I'm against the *right* trades, but given how much change there's been on the team of late, I'm not sure that more change is such a good idea. Let's see if playing at (and near) home for a bit can settle the boys down before we demand Michael Jackson plastic surgery-level changes to the team, no?
OK, hopping off the soap box... Last night was (mostly) great. I would've given the hat to Kreider or Pouliot, but I'm not going to nitpick that. My main problems with last night were the 2 mini-scraps involving Hags (not the shoulder! not the shoulder!) and Dom not returning (let's just call ourselves Blue Hospital Gowns United - TM). And it's always good to hear "Let's go Rangers" chants drowning out "Let's go Isles" chants on the Island.
Glad to see Hagelin - my favorite Ranger - back in the lineup. He easily could have had 2 more asissts on splendid passes to Pouliot and Pyatt earlier in the game.
Can't wait till Cally's back - maybe then we can get Pytt off the PK once and for all.
Great game, what I want to see from this team. Theyve played pretty well thier last bunch of games. Just have to string some wins together. A good way to start is beating up on shitty buffalo
Finally Chris Kreider and J.T. Miller get some help, even the defense scores not counting Girardi.
As in years past i thought the talent suspect on this team in it's inability to skate and move the puck to create space and opportunities and then having to resort to a tight game, but last night was fast and they started to move the puck. The power play and the last goal are a perfect example of was what is needed what will be needed. Hopefully they are moving in the right direction and considering their division it doesn't look like a big leap to be in the running.
And now they have someone to back up Dorsett out there.....Richards who knew?
Kevin, you have to speak some sense into this fan base who think that signing Hank to a long term contract is wise. In pro sports with a cap everything is a fluid process. You HAVE to trade high and buy low and never, never, never (ad infinitum) marry yourself to a long term contract to ANYONE over 30, no matter how good! You will end up not getting value in the 2nd half of the contract AND compromising your ability to keep the rest of the team strong.
So assuming you DON'T want to do that you must either let him go for nothing at the end of the year, OR get a huge return on a trade at the deadline from a team who is more likely to win the Cup than the Rangers! Shit...if you want him so badly you could STILL sign him to that horrible contract when he is a free agent and have still received the great trade pieces. The only thing that you lose is Hank at the end of THIS year. (Still not condoning it - over 30 and all)
Hank may be awesome, but he is not THAT much better than any given replacement option to merit losing future flexibility, HUGE trade recoup, and holding on to an aging veteran 3 years town the road.
BTW - if Hank is the best in the world it only shows that HAVING the best goalie in the world is NOT a prerequisite for winning the Cup.
So we're not firing AV and trading 3/4 of the team today? I'm as big a Kreider fan as there is and I'm excited for the future. The big test for him will be when he gets in an funk (as everyone does) to see how he can get out of it and if it affects other areas of his game that he can control (i.e. defense and hitting). If he starts putting pucks in the net with regularity, it changes the entire dynamic of this team. Very exciting time for sure! BTW, was that the last game the Rangers will play at the Mausoleum? Nice way to go out if it was!
I think we have a goaltending controversy! LOL kidding. but i feel very good now about Hank getting more rest this season w/ Cam filling in! What a spark Hags made! Can't wait for Cally to get back!
Really excited in Cam Talbot. He may be the long-term future. I want to see him work on his rebounds and glove. I think those 2 things, which are certainly workable on a young kid, are the only things that may keep him from being mentioned in any conversation along with hank, richter and eddie
FINALLY A FUN GAME TO WATCH! Why can't all the teams have crappy D like the Isles? Not sure why we didn't bring this energy to the Philly and Devils games...
Still having some bad defensive miscues but a really strong game from Talbot makes up for it.
Side note: Zuccarello gets a lot of undeserved praise and respect here. Not sure why. He hasn't done much in a Ranger uniform, but I guess when most of the team is underachieving we all want to root for the little guy.
Just one comment on Zuccarello,... no one can ever question his heart, but the reason I don't want him on this team is because the Rangers already have a smallish team with only one light middle-weight ( Dorsett) who will drop the gloves. His skirmishes and necessary rescues will become less and less endearing to a team that doesn't have the physicality to back him up.
Starting to see Krieder start to put it all together. If he can keep this up, he'll never play another game in the AHL.
Was awesome to see Richards stick up for Hagelin. Hagelin was a pain in the ass all night, it was lovely.
Am I the only one who wants to see who we can get from Van for Girardi and possibly pyatt so he doesn't get lonely. He doesn't seem to fit AV's system and although he would gladly use his face to block a shot he has no balls when it comes to confrontation?? He either needs to toss some sand in his vag and get some grit or ship out.
As far as exciting regular season games go, that one Girardi won for us in OT off that WICKED feed from Brass against the Islanders last year comes to mind.
Actually, that Islanders game that Girardi won for us in OT off that WICKED feed from Brass comes to mind for exciting regular season games to watch.
It was all about the effort tonight, getting to lose pucks, winning battles on the wall and keeping the puck in the zone. Bring this every night and with cal coming back soon hopefully wel be right were we want to be.
Well - just got to see the 3rd, and there will be off nights this year of course but this is what I expected this year with the uptempo coach and the modest, but workable talent here. Touching on Kevin's points
Krieds has been a beast since his recall and now he's getting confident. He's put something together and is using his size and speed more effectively - and tenacity. He's a big leaguer now and should have no problem being a top 6 guy and 30 goal scorer for years to come if healthy.
I've never thought Hags to be a 3rd line guy. Not a ton of finish but his game opens up space for the team. People forget that and just look at the numbers until he comes out and plays, and he wont' be playing with a ball and chain this year under AV. He still has work to do but he's always able to open up some offense when given a chance. Should enjoy a nice career as a 2nd liner if remaining healthy.
There's a reason I defend Zucc so much with the naysayers. I think I can speak for everyone by saying I liked that penalty - though he's got to look for the numbers - you don't want to take a lot of boarding calls. He's a premier set up guy, and as his team mates get use to his quick, slick and often impossibly angled passes that are usually tape to tape they won't keep fanning on them and the assists will start racking up. Still his size makes his future a question mark but he certainly gives it his all in those board battles.
I have not underrated Boyle's season this year. I like how leadfoot is playing and adjusting to the system I can handle him not crunching bodies if he continues to play an agitating in your face game and keeps buzzing around the net. If this develops he's going to be a hard guy to defend against and his decent hands will get him some goals and deflections.
Sinker is OK for a 4th line roll, like I said AV keeps him there because (at least on paper) he's a good mucker who's responsible on all ends.
Richey's back after taking last night off.
Step finally ended his holdout tonight. Welcome back to the land of the living big guy!
I've expected more from DMoore - I ;like monster Mash too. Bring him back.
I thought Dan G was pretty good the last couple games. He looked quick tonight, especially with the stick. No???
MDZ was only mediocre - that's a big step up for him.
Staal concerns me. I think he will get use to his vision soon though and start playing with confidence again.
Just a thought on Nash - a reader commented that he saw Nash on the subway and I got a funny feeling. Any chance he has a broken jaw bone and not a concussion? That's still a serious injury but not a season or career ender. What do you think? Wonder what they are trying to hide.
Anyway 4 decent efforts in a row but tonight's 3rd was the best they've looked as a team so far this year. Still needs work. Still needs more offensive players but a nice step in the right direction tonight. Feels good!
Little chris kreider is growing up. I was there tonight behind the isles net, watched him slam that one home. Felt great man.
The thing with kreider has been keeping a consistent level. we saw him dominate the playoffs then spend a year in the minors so i love the way hes playing but lets see a 10 game stretch at that pace and ill be impressed. who do you think he is, callahan?!
@stevmore Fast was sent down to make room for Hagelin
@Trueblue99 Watch the game. Boyle, Pyatt and so many others get "knocked off the puck" easily with a basic DIII body check.
Step and Kreider look great together...Zucch is not answer for that line. Once Cally comes back we might have a pretty good top line
jeez - Talbot's had a few nice games but do you seriously think that's enogh to unload the guy who's been rock-solid for us for several years now? I really think we're getting way ahead of ourselves here.
@Say my Name I agree with this completely. If we could trade him for another goalie prospect and picks, I would be all for it. That said, if hank is not willing to hold out for an 8+ year contract, I would rather keep him.
@gravey94 only trading 1/2 now
@gravey94 No, I think AV is safe now and the team is not getting traded away - however all that could change come Thurs. night.
@AnnoyingJoe cam should have caught that puck
@AveryYesBettmanNo MZA adds passion and heart to a team, at the moment, that seems to be going through the motions. Yes, the team is underachieving but only a handful are giving 110% every shift.
@MikeBlue I disagree. His skirmishes aren't selfish and personal a la Avery. Avery sat at the end of the bench by himself. Upon MZA's return at the end of last season half of the team literally greeted him in the hotel lobby in Ottawa. The locker room loves him.
He stands up for himself and stirs the pot when necessary and never looks over his shoulder.
He pours his guts out basically every shift — if the team gets tired of after-the-whistle face washes and jabs then there's a bigger problem than MZA giving too much passion. This team team desperately needs passion.
I just hate having same players on the team. To me, size does matter.
Zucc and Hags- Choose one, both small,speedy and offensive
Pyatt, dom moore- Choose One, both don't score at all and play the PK
What if you had something like this once cally comes back:
Del Zotto-J. Moore
Look how much tougher and balanced that lineup is: Trade a combo of zucc, pyatt and moore, maybe even del zotto for ott. Now that fourth line is looking more like the burins fourth line last year where they can play hard-nosed forechecking and bring a gritty game
The other thing is our D is not scarey at all. There is no one making you think twice about driving to the net or standing in front of the net. Thats a problem. There has to be a price to pay if your going in that area of the ice and they are just letting these top players run around and do whatever. SOMEONE LAY A HIT ON SOMEONE AND THROW THEM OFF THERE GAME. That fires everyone upp and shows passion. FInallyyyyy they showed some passion last night with Richy at the end of the game. Bout damn timeee
@Betweentheworlds As to the Nash injury, I would say 95% it is a concussion... Just don't see them not saying it is a broken jaw if it was one... Also, as I have said a hundred times... it was not even that hard of a hit, really don't think it could have broken his jaw... but hey who knows
@DubiLeetch Thanks Mr. Buzzkill. lol
@sureshore You're missing the point. It has nothing to do with Talbot. Zero. This is strictly about team management and money.
@ktc990 Given how many terrible penalties Dorsett takes (often more than 1 per game), I'd much rather keep Zucc and trade for another tough guy with more offensive upside.
@ktc990 Who's Stephan?
@FREE MASHINTER @DubiLeetch I have to differ - Kreids did not dominate the playoffs - he sparked the team with a couple nice timely goals which probably saved our asses in the Ottawa series but that's different then dominating. He was quiet for most games, made bad choices that cost scoring chances against and looked very much like a minor leaguer for the most part for much of the postseason. Since he's gotten the latest recall this year he's looked like a completely different player + he understands his responsibilities, he's having fun out there and not killing himself with self-analysis and seems to work hard at being a complete player. He's here to stay now, no going back - just my opinion Mr. Buzzkill lol
long term deal so we dont spend another decade looking for a goalie. theres plenty of goalies making over 5 million , another starter is going to make 3-4-5 million, hank will make 7. you will save about what 3 million dollars? 3 million gets you boyle and jt miller. have fun
@sureshore Just coincidence. I've been preaching it for a long time. I agree somewhat with the goalie position, but you could also argue that no other position suffers an immediate decline due to age and minuscule drops in reflexes, agility, etc...as goalie. I still stick by the no long term contracts to anyone ever past 30 yr old.
Then why all this talk NOW after a few good games by Talbot? I understand dollars and sense (and cents). I just think the goalie position is entirely different from any other position (especially due to low concussion rate, injuries etc) when it comes to longer term contracts. Just my opinion
@Betweentheworlds @FREE MASHINTER @DubiLeetch Remember, kreider was bickeled to the bench at the end of the playoffs two years ago towards the end. also, he isnt playing for a task master anymore so he is getting a little more freedom to correct his own mistakes and not have to worry about every mistake he makes.