The New York Rangers (3-7-0) lost to the Montreal Canadiens (7-5-0) by the score of 2-0, tonight. For a box score, go to Yahoo! Sports.
...bottom line is this team needs to start scoring. Yes, the refs sucked and Budaj came up big when he had to, but they need to find a way to generate some more offense. Being shutout three times in the first 10 games is unacceptable. I don't care who's not in the line-up. On the positive side, the defensive breakdowns that plagued this team on the west coast have become more infrequent and the goaltending is back to keeping the Rangers in games.
...i never like to make excuses, but the refs were atrocious tonight. Absolutely phantom calls on Boyle and Kreider. One handing the Canadiens a goal, the other likely taking one off the board for the Rangers. Tough to win when you not only have to battle your opponent, but the refs as well.
...did Galchenyuk purposely redirect the puck into the net? Yes. Was it a distinct kicking motion? No. Did Miller purposely redirect the puck into the net in Philly? Not likely. Was it a distinct kicking motion? Yes. You see the difference? Sorry, you guys may not like that explanation, but it's true. Both calls were correct. You can kill me in the comments section.
...Lundqvist didn't have a ton of work tonight, but he looked a lot quicker between the pipes. Would like to see AV come right back with him tomorrow on Long Island.
...because shot blocking was such an integral part of the Rangers success under Torts, it was tough watching the Habs do a far superior job sacrificing their bodies to protect their goalie. Canadiens outshot blocked the Blueshirts 28-11.
...so when do we start worrying about Stepan? Wide open shot in front of the net and he buries it in Budaj's glove.
...man, that Kreider kid is exciting when he uses his speed. His first shift of the game was as dominant of a performance as you're going to see. Too bad Budaj's arm and the pipe got in the way. Got to assume it's only a matter of time before they start falling for him.
...man Stralman has been under the radar bad this season. Terrible decision to step up on Plekanec goal.
...never a good thing when the highlight of your night is another undisciplined penalty. If Pyatt is in the line-up tomorrow, I'll be convinced that he's hypnotizing AV with those magnificent blue eyes.
...with Callahan and Nash out, Richards needs to be better than one shot on goal.
...Dorsett has sort of been good since that disaster in St. Louis.
...was Perry Pearn invited to the pre-game festivities and sneak behind the bench to run the power play tonight?
...didn't realize MSG was transformed into a morgue. Damn that arena was quiet.
...it seems to me that the Rangers are just going through the motions. I'm looking at the box score trying to remember plays each of these guys made during the game and I'm having a tough time doing that because too many of them are invisible. Not enough quality shots. Not enough traffic in front of the net. Not enough forecheck. Not enough blocked shots. Not enough hits. And the biggest omission? Passion. Zero.
...teams often take on the persona of their coach. And right now AV's lack of energy and emotion is rubbing off on the Rangers players. With all the calls going against his team tonight was to perfect opportunity for him to make a statement by blowing up on the refs. Throw some sticks on the ice. Make a scene. Do something. Anything to get these guys fired up. I know key elements of the Rangers line-up are out, but I'm getting worried AV wasn't the right man for the job.
..here's a little late night transaction for you...
...guess Hagelin will be back tomorrow. Which should help give this team a spark.
...right back at it tomorrow night on Long Island.
Post game reaction...
I had one problem with last night that i have not seen it mentioned anywhere which doesn't mean anything but the shot taken at Kreider by Murray and this is my opinion smelled of sending message to the young flying Ranger and I would have liked to have seen a Response. Any thoughts on that Kevin?
Habs had to outblock the Rangers, we outplayed them most of the game.
Stepan and his stupid fucking holdout are starting to infuriate me.
I hate that interference call more because Brassard was on a clean breakaway that got negated when the penalty was called.
Ya, Pyatt has to go, he is nothing more than a paper weight.... takes penalties, has no speed, hands are like cement.... give Kristo a chance... need to get our young guys some good experience with the big club... saying they need seasoning in the minors.. thats a joke.. no better seasoning than in the bigs... we cant get any worse....
All that money and the ice is still crap, amazing. You skate a multi-million dollar product around on bad ice, something i can't understand for years
.... I had thought AV finally had seen the light when he ran Zucc out on the 4th line in 3rd period. I mean Plyatt falling down while taking penalty in offensive zone (chasing), falling down just chasing the play, dropping just his stick chasing play, incomprehensible at that level . The Fast thing i understand, cap space and needing to play minutes. I like the kid, he finishes checks, not afraid to go to dirty areas, plays hard for his size.
I liked the way they skated last night. They caught some tough breaks. I think they needed to create some space and get the Goalie moving but it was hard the way Montreal played them. They need to do some banging and here is where they miss Cally and for the love of God add somebody to the 4th line who can do that in place of you know who...
I didnt think the rangers played bad. A back up goalie and the defense playing an extra man back ALWAYs gives us problems. Refs were a joke. Pyatt is terrible. Watching CK play was awesome tonight. Expected this outcome. Hank looked good. I think they win tonight against the Isles.
All you do is complain.. Typical New York fan.. Shut up and give them a chance.. We have 3 of our top players out and you expect them to still win every game they play.. Fucking crybaby New York fans!!! This is the reason I refuse to go to a Yankee game.. You pay good money for a seat to listen to a bunch a crybabys whine if there team doesn't win every game!!!!
Was anyone else at the Garden and unimpressed with its "transformation"? I was in the 200 section and the corridor outside betweeb periods was absurdly packed with people -- way too narrow and, God forbid, a fire hazard if people needed to get out quickly.
The scoreboard didn't work correctly (I know it will be fixed). The Chase Bridge was not that noticeable. Overall, disappointed compared to all the publicity.
Apart from the physical structure, the crowd was d-e-a-d. Maybe that's to be expected with a losing start, but it was crazy quiet -- especially for an opening night and a tight game. I was at last season's opener against the Penguins, and (until the Rangers let up quick goals), the crowd was way more into it. If this team doesn't turn it around soon, the Garden is going to continue to be a morgue.
Awful game by the refs and Toronto. The Boyle and Kreider penalties were total momentum, shifts. The whole rule about kicking the puck in needs to be changed ASAP. Distinct kicking motion is a load of crap that's wide open to interpretation. That "goal" last night was an absolute kicking motion. Perhaps it was subtle rather than distinct, but he absolutely tried to KICK it onto his blade. If a player sees a puck and changes the angle of his skate to deflect it into the net, it should be waived off...PERIOD. Like everything else, the NHL rules seem to have been written by a gang of wishy washy suits who never played the game. I can't fault the Rangers too much for not scoring, there were so many GD penalties and bad calls that there was no way for them to get their 5 on 5 play really going. They started out great, then Moore gets whistled for another ridiculous penalty for bumping a guy off a face-off, and any momentum was gone. Keep building gents, it's coming around!
Hoping Mashinter plays and Pyatt sits, to go with Boyle and Dorsett on a supposed crash line. The reality is Taylor Pyatt is way too slow to play that style of game.....he skates like his skate guards weren't removed before the game.
It starts at the top with Sather still having a job cause Dolan doesn't even know when the Rangers are playing.....we don't have the players...call up all the kids and start sitting guys......
I disagree in some ways - I thought they looked a LOT better tonight than they have in awhile, they were throwing tons of traffic at the net and playing actively, and some of our guys (especially Kreider) got some RALLY good looks at the net, but Budaj was really on his game. They did look sloppy though, like they were spending too much time scrambling/flailing around. I think that may have been somewhat inevitable though - montreal plays like one of those obnoxious swarms of gnats you sometimes walk into in the summer, flying around your head and biting your ears.
And I disagree on the allowed goal from Galchenyuk - it sure looked like a distinct kicking motion to me. If they disallowed Miller's goal a couple nights ago, they should have disallowed Galchenyuk's. But I guess that's why these arguments happen, people interpret what they see differently.
Someone needs a talking to after that egregious miscall on Kreider. Was absolutely dumbfounded that he got that interference call. I guess if two guys take themselves out even near one of our players, we're going to get called.
Look, they weren't great last night, but I think that score would have been different if we weren't killing off BS penalties - took the life right out of the game. Of course, they also dumped themselves in the penalty box several times and deserved it, so that didn't help either.
Pyatt, Fast, and Zuccarello. I've been saying it since day 1. These are the three weak links on the team and the reason there is no offense. As our injured players return (Hagelin, Callahan, and Nash) and these three get replaced, we will get better.
3-7 and getting shut out (for the 3rd time this season) in the long awaited home opener. Safe to say time is ticking for AV...
Millers goal was called a goal on the ice and overturned by replay. Three of our best players are sitting in the press box. Stop complaining this team will be fine. They did a lot of good thing last night like protecting the front of there own net and generating chances. It is tough to get chemistry or any kind of momentum when the line up is affected by injury.
This is a lost season, after AV gets fired-replaced why not trade-dump off Nash to a Stanley Cup contender and get a young talent infusion
Difference was that Miller's goal was waved off by the ref on the ice. Last night the goal was given. Doesn't change the fact that this team was 0 - 5 on the PP...where is the genius at work here? That's was Coach V's BIG advanctage over Torts, his PP prowess...so far he sucks.
And let's not forget Toronto's hand in this: Miller's goal in Philly was disallowed and he did not turn his skate to deflect the puck like the Russian kid from Montreal did, and HIS goal was OK...gonna be a long season...and yes, someone needs to learn to score, but it seems like they are giving jobs to the homeless with the quality of officiating in the NHL....
I hate to say this, but the Garden has been quiet since the 90's ended. Its embarrassing that an Original Six team's fans are some of the least passionate in the NHL at their home games.
Say hank definetly doesnt want to re-sign. Trade deadline, Lundqvist ,Krieder and a Pick for for Brent Burns, Pavelski, Niemi and Hertl. You can even throw in Pouliot or someone like that too weigh it out a little better. With nash out this works with the cap, i tried it on Nhl14 with the active rosters and it went through lol
Even though this wouldnt actually happen this is a trade that would turn it all around for us.
Totally agree with everything in this post game assessment. The refs got the second Montreal goal right - it wasn't a real kick and was totally different from Miller's.
Also, the Garden was very quiet. Are the fans just quiet or does it have something to do with the "transformation"?
Lastly, AV has no passion or clear direction for this team. He absolutely was the wrong man for the job. I seriously wish we had just kept Torts.
the team needs personal but when does this "great" coach figure out how to win a few games when he still has world class D and hank reguardless?
Vancouver playing tough and kessler/sedins have a fire under threre ass, no sh!! TORTS
other GM's think this guy is a great coach? maybe we have another trade piece...AV
this guy needs to swallow his gum and wake the hell up, this game was screaming for aggression and high tempo. home crowd-home opener, small canadian team , bad calls all over, teams 3-6 and hes blowing fn bubbles. Bench some people and show some damn fire your not in west canada anymore chief , welcome to NYC
@DaveFL I think it looked worse than it was. Murray stepped up and Kreider was going full speed. Would have liked to see Zuccharello smack Gionta or Gallagher or one of those other midgets around!
@Fish9876 i was up in the bar stool seats in 223. the bridge is garbage. blocks the scoreboard for almost 1/4 of the people in the arena. it was cool to be able to walk on the bridge and be 3 feet away from sam and joe, but i felt like i was a cow as people were herded across - hundreds of people trying to move in a space that's 3 feet wide.
the end of the period horn sounded like a forced fart at the end of the first and third. dumb.
i understood the quiet. what the hell was there to cheer about? the increase in ticket prices? the increase in beer prices? the inability to walk around the inside of the garden, perhaps its greatest feature before the transformation?
@LanceGold1 a balanced lineup?! this makes too much sense.
@erichan I only had a chance to catch the 3rd period, but the overall effort looked better than what I have seen in a majority of games this year. The Kreider penalty was a complete joke. That played reminded me of a scene from Youngblood...
Murray Chadwick: Where'd you get these guys from, Ray? Mexico.
Ray the assistant coach: We're only looking for one player.
Murray Chadwick: Like that sorry son of a bitch who just tripped over the blueline.
Was the rule on kicking changed at some point? I thought you couldnt purposely direct the puck into the net, regardless of whether or not it was a kicking motion. It was very clearly directed.
No matter what, we need to get some goals on the board if we want a chance to win any games.
Also, I officially hate AV and want Torts back. I feel like it was sort of unavoidable that Torts was going to go, if the players really were that sick of him, but his system WORKED. This hands-off, uninvolved, silent attitude AV is pushing is just not.
@MikeBlue I thought Zucc played pretty well, especially in 3d period. Fast did not stand out, but seems pretty responsible defensively and does PK so I am okay with him (although i guess he is down in Hartford now). Cannot for the life of me understand why Pyatt is still playing. He must have a picture of AV with a goat or something.
@johnpnj Thats because the real Rangers fans are no longer at MSG where the ticket prices have skyrocketed...You see a lot of Wall St people at Ranger games now; there completely disinterested into whats going on on the ice....yeah MSG sucks now, a lot of fluff and as quiet as a library-well said John
@Paulie Gualtieri Yeah cuz SJ is just gonna dump their whole team when they're #1 in the NHL...
Callahan - Pavelski - Burns
Hertl - Stepan - Richards/Nash (if nash is on LTIR it works or if they buyout one)
Hagelin - Brassard - Miller
Niemi and talbot
@clowd1 Dolan has transformed the "True Blue Fans" out of the Garden,now all you have at the games are corporate shills.....
@DubiLeetch Yea he has alot to do with the lack of emotion on the ice, shoulda went after Lindy Ruff if you were gonna fire torts. Il take Laviolette at this point
@erichan Torts is gone. No point in wishing him back. And frankly, if he lost the players it could be just as bad as it is now, cause Torts' system only works when the players buy into it 100% (well, you can say that about anyone) But if the players don't want to play for a coach anymore...recipe for disaster.
I'm not huge on AV, but I do think he's a good coach and it will take time for his system to take hold (and get some important injured guys back)
@erichan The system was great - just the lack of adaptability and versatility was my reason for wanting a change but I agree, so far this is worse - I miss Torts' passion and love for the game - I hope this Zombie thing is just AV's halloween costume
@capncally1978 @MikeBlue I agree about Pyatt - AV's coached him before and supposedly he's a good mucker and dependable but so far I haven't seen that this year. Fast did OK in his role - seems like as he develops he will be a Jan Erixon type with faster wheels. I don't understand all the knocks on Zucc though. I'm starting to think people here are simply prejudice against small players. Next to Krieds he was clearly our best forward last night. No? Guess you could make a case for Miller. In fact he has been great since his benching, and pretty good even before that. Other than giving up something in the board battles he's clearly an asset with his playmaking though his passes are very quick and from difficult angles which seems to confuse his linemates at times, and unconverted feeds tend to go unnoticed. He sprung 3 players on the doorstep last night alone as a 4th, to 3rd line (in the 3rd period) player and got stoned on a great scoring chance, he was involved and gritty for a slender 5'7" dude. Got to disagree on the notion that 3 guys are responsible for the lack of O - there are 12 forwards out there.
@jvr @johnpnj completely true jvr! Not to mention that MSG does nothing to motivate the crowd. same crap music for over 15 years. Listen to the arena up in Boston when the bruins are playing....they get the crowd pumped. But even if they corrected this, you still have 2/3's of the garden there on "business". it's awful and its embarrassing how quiet that place and the lack of passion they show.....but then again it's also hard to get inspired when you have uninspired hockey being played on the ice
@Betweentheworlds @shoot_the_goalie @capncally1978 @MikeBlue I agree. Zucc plays hard. It's like Rudy (the movie). If you could take Zucc's heart and put it into Boyle, you would have a real solid player. But no offense to Boyle, I think he played well last night, and he's one of the few guys that really sticks up for his teammates. Boyle needs to be able to get a little more open ice. We saw with his 20 goal campaign year and in the playoffs that he can score and he actually has a really good shot. Boyle was actually a goal scorer in high school & college - not a mucker.
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds @capncally1978 @MikeBlue Zucc needs to pay me part of his salary for spending so much of my valuable time advocating for him!!! A winger needs to be strong on the boards. there is no getting around that and his success in the NHL will depend on him either working on his leg strength to compensate for his size, or just being so good at other parts of his game that it overcompensates for his lack of strength. Having said that he tries very hard and did win a few loose puck battles last night. If nothing else you gotta love his spirit. I think your analysis on Sinker is pretty much on point. Coaches like steady players who can muck and commit very few errors. That is why he still plays and gets his minutes. I like Miller's game - no risk, no reward and with maturity you start only taking high percentage risks. For the first time I'm starting to see he has good potential. Fast I already commented on above. Leadfoot (Boyle) is looking better now that he is buzzing around the net more. Not bad hands for a big dude, though it's unfathomable but apparently he's been a goal scorer while moving up the ranks. With his face off skills he could be a real asset despite his lumbering stride moving forward if he plays close to the net and uses that big body.
@Betweentheworlds @capncally1978 @MikeBlue Zucc was good in all areas, except board battles, where he was overwhelmed (and his size became an issue). Pyatt, for all the knocks he gets, is rarely a liability. Does he bring much to the table besides that? No. But it's not like we have phenomenal talent up and down our lineup that makes him easily expendable. Pyatt deserves to be on THIS team's lineup, just no higher than 3rd line mins. Fast is similar to Pyatt, in that he's not bringing much to the table either, but he's not making mistakes either. Miller, is still making mistakes though, but he also brings bigger reward (most scoring opportunities). Miller seems like he's going to be that type of player...high risk, high reward eventually.
@shoot_the_goalie @calithirteen @jvr @johnpnj I agree, true fans like myself have been priced out of Dolans playpen........I was a season ticket holder for 21 years,when they sent me my invoice for this year and I saw that my tickets had risen to $56 per game (up from $39 two years ago) I said enough.
@calithirteen @jvr @johnpnj IMHO, it has more to do with a team that's not all that exciting to watch. Last really loud NYR game I've been at in the Garden was 2012, game 7 against the Caps, and it was the loudest I ever heard the Garden, and those tickets weren't exactly cheap.
And I like "Slapshot". I think it's held up well as a goal song over all these years. Truthfully, I would like to hear it more frequently. (didn't hear it at all last night)
@DubiLeetch @Paulie Gualtieri we have no toughness our third and fourth lines are soft. i like the way dorsett plays though. we could have a nice botton 2 lines if boyle and pyatt would hit and get in someones face once in a while. Bring up bickel and sit dz/stralman on d. so we get tougher on the d and play mashinter and bring up haley. dorsett/mashinter/haley 4th line wuld have speed and toughness. hard working line