After the second straight game in which he was the most dominant player on the ice, all the talk in the Rangers locker room was about Chris Kreider's contributions towards the Blueshirts recent turn around. And here's one of the reasons why...
...not sure if Kreider planned on banking that off Miller or he was just try to throw it in front, but either way, when you're going good the puck finds the back of the net for you.
Linemate Derek Stepan...
“A big part of our line is Chris Kreider, the way he’s moving his feet,” said Derek Stepan after taking a career high seven shots on net. “He’s on pucks. And then when he does gets pucks, he’s getting the puck to Zucc and Zucc is making plays. I don’t know how many times tonight Zucc makes a big pass that really breaks down the defense and it allows us to get those chances in tight. Those are the two big keys to our success. It’s easy to see when 20 (Kreider’s uniform number) gets going it’s hard to slow him down. It’s been a big part of our line right now. He’s actually speeding my game up, he’s pushing the pace, it’s kind of like the same thing when I started with Hags (Carl Hagelin) last year, Those speed guys, they push the pace and it makes it easier as a line to get some momentum.”
“Confidence is key in this game and his speed is amazing and his strength with the puck, he runs over guys. You can just tell he’s confident and it makes a big difference. Sometimes he realizes he has a little bit more time to make a play or to go to the net, it’s big for us, some guys step up for us right now and help us turn it around.”
“The Hartford coaches did a great job of getting him where he needs to be,” Vigneault said. “Ever since he’s been back he’s been if not our best forward one of our best forwards every game, using his speed, using his size, going to the net hard, making it tough on the other team’s D. He’s got to keep doing that because we need that from him.”
...if you look at the guys who have been carrying the team offensively lately (Kreider, Hags, Zucc, Brassard and Pouliot), they're all speed guys. AV's up-tempto style of play really gives guys with that element to their game a real advantage because puck possession is so important. These guys have been aggressive in tracking down pucks in the corners or along the boards prolonging possession in the offensive zone or gaining it defensively and then making a play. It's been awesome to watch.
...as far as Kreider goes, Lundqvist hits it on the head when he mentions confidence. The kid has been put through the ringer the last two years being bounced around between the Rangers and Hartford. But I think it's safe to say they'll be no more bus rides to Bridgeport for him this season.
...it's also nice to see him finally using his strength to dominate opposing players physically.
Good to see Krieder turn it around.He had been AHL worthy earlier, so this is excellent news for the Rangers if he can continue to play like this. Consistently playing like this is the key here.So we wait and watch.Right now he looks like a different player.The best play by far I've seen from him.
What was it, like last week, when everyone was calling Kreider a bust, the new Jessiman?
Oh, I love these boards. heh.
To those who refuse to believe me when I speak so highly about Zucc, maybe you will listen to Step, since he's saying pretty much the same thing? Ahh, but many of the ones who are blind to his contributions are the same ones who were saying Kreids will never amount to anything more than a 3rd line player so I'm not counting on it. Good to see these young guys starting to get it going and impress thheir team mates.. Now would someone please put the puck in the net...
Kreider said in the post game that he was trying to bank it in off Miller but he thought that even if it didn't work, the puck would probably sit there and we had 2 guys by the net. He also said that he's tried that before a few times but this was the first time it worked.
"when he does gets pucks, he’s getting the puck to Zucc and Zucc
is making plays. I don’t know how many times tonight Zucc makes a big
pass that really breaks down the defense and it allows us to get those
chances in tight. Those are the two big keys to our success." - Derek Stepan
Now can everyone shut the fuck up about how Zucc doesn't deserve a roster spot and how he's too small and gets pushed around. How zucc doesn't belong in the NHL. How Zucc wouldn't even make the roster on other teams. How Zucc won't score any goals???
He is flat out the best passer on this team. DEAL WITH IT. Stepan can't even count how many slick passes he makes that breaks down the D. He has done this in practically every game I've watched him play in for the Rangers. The difference is that now those passes are being caught and turned into shots.
Zucc won't score 30 or 40 goals and he won't get a gordie howe hat trick. Regardless, he is a top talent on this team. Just wait until he gets even more comfortable.
BTW, after watching how bad Buffalo is lat night, is anyone else terrified at the prospect of the Penguins making a play for Miller since it wouldn't cost them a ton and would automatically upgrade their goaltending?
...if you look at the guys who have been carrying the team offensively lately (Kreider, Hags, Zucc, Brassard and Pouliot), they're all speed guys. AV's up-tempto style of play really gives guys with that element to their game a real advantage because puck possession is so important.
For the past few years everyone has been talking about getting more toughness and grit, but it's been pretty evident over the past few drafts that Sather, Clark & co. have put a premium on speed. I don't think they're going to totally eliminate toughness from the lineup, but I do think the current vision is to have a team of speed that plays tough D. AV seems like the right coach for that type of team and it does look to be a more exciting brand of hockey. Time will tell if it's the type to bring home a Cup.
bridgeport? lol I dont know guys.....I mean it's great that we have all these guys scoring and on the powerplay too but don't you miss the old days of dump and chase under torts instead of watching guys like Hags, Kreider, Zuccs flying around the ice making great plays? This really isn't that exciting to watch. cue sarcasm
@shoot_the_goalie When size comes with speed it is NEVER a bust. Only knuckleheads think that. You're right, these boards...lol Even if a guy rarely scores but is huge and fast he can still influence a game in a big way. Kreider seems like a good kid who was trying to please a guy who wanted to force him into a system. Strangely, if he was less of a good kid he likely would have just gone out there and wreaked havoc and forced Torts hand. Systems are important...very, but sometimes when you have a huge, fast guy it is best to cut him more slack with the system and just tell him to go out there and skate as fast as you can and run over anything that gets in your way - don't worry about the mistakes, your line mates will pick you up.
Have you seen Ovi play? He is so often out of position, but his sheer physical presence and speed just as often consumes the play. When you have a wrecking ball...let it swing. Even if the goals don't come (which I think they will) the game changes for the team he is on.
@Betweentheworlds You sir are the guru of the boards. I remember when you were predicting that Torts would be fired, and you were met with disbelief and incredulity on these boards. I think you won that round.
@brian2686 fucking thank you... ive been petitioning for zuccarello getting a permanent roster spot on the team for the past 3 seasons... the guy was getting no ice time under tortarella and people were wondering why he wasnt scoring.. ive always said zuccarello is one of the best passers in the league and that he would make almost any other roster in the nhl besides tortarellas... he will only get better as long as hes playing with other talented players... shit if guys were finishing hed be leading the team in points the way he sets guys up in the slot.... zuccarello belongs in the nhl and can be a 60 point guy on the rite team with the right system.. plus hes worth having on the roster for shootouts and powerplay time alone
@brian2686 Thank you -finally someone else who gets it. I've been saying this for the last 2 seasons now since he got signed and have been met with such argument. He's been quiet a few games here and there but for the most part has been one of the best players on the ice game after game, and his passes, usually tape to tape are so quick and unorthodox and from ridiculous angles that it surprises team mates and you know unconverted passes are quickly forgotten by most. then last playoffs he was too small and would disappear, yada yada and surprise, surprise - he was one of our best players against the big bad Bruins and wound up 2nd in points on the team. the sad truth is that some people are simply prejudice against size and feel threatened by the little guy so they diminish the little man's worth in their little heads. It's so obvious, even to a casual fan that this guy is a true NHL talent but yet some who believe what they want to believe refuse to see it.
@brian2686 Amen to that brother!
@brian2686 You're absolutely wrong!!!! I could totally see him getting a Gordie Howe hat trick someday!
@brian2686 idk dude, look at the lineup with Nash and Callahan back. I really don't see where he fits in on the top 6. Also, he is not playing on the 4th line so that leaves one spot for him or Pouliot. Right now I am going with the latter.
@gravey94 Not a chance, Pittsburg does not have a cap space for 2 high priced goalies and Lafloure is not likely get traded.
@gravey94 I actually wouldn't mind if the Pens went for Miller because then they wouldn't go after Hank in the offseason. If Hank leaves, I'd be bummed. But if he left for the Pens, I'd be suicidal.
@gravey94 no... They are going to stick with Fluery, I would bet a good amount of money on that.
But we should take a run at Moulson, no question
@gravey94 Thanks for ruining my day.
@shoot_the_goalie It is a lot more exciting to watch AV. style of play then the trap and shot blocking style of Torts.
@gravey94 Duclair, Hagelin, Kreider are all prime examples of this. Also, on the backend it seems they have been drafting for defenseman with a strong skating ability... I love this take on drafting dmen... the hardest part about playing defense is being able to keep up with the forwards, or transitioning into attack. If you have the skating ability and speed, the positioning and checking can come later
@calithirteen Yeah, instead of taking a bus to Bridgeport in the AHL he's going to be on luxury jets.
@Say my Name @shoot_the_goalie A system is only good when it allows for the freedom of creativity and individuality - Torts is a good coach and frankly uses a system that is better suited for today's game than AV's IMHO but he held too tightly to the reigns which ultimately led to the demise with this team. Nice example with Ovi - torts would have had seizures if he coached Jagr lol. Yeah i read so much BS about Kreids being a minor leaguer, 3rd liner at best and you know what, I pretty much ignore them and read only what people like you 2 and maybe a half dozen or so more on this board are saying - the people who know and love this game and the Rangers, who see the big picture and don't want to fire AV one day, then sleep with him the next, and the ones who know this game and who I can learn from. It is hysterical - the next Jessiman? Really????
@Say my Name @shoot_the_goalie I will give Torts credit. I watched Kreider when he played for BC and USA jrs. He wasn't the most defensively responsible player in the world, more often than not, cause he didn't have to be. That defensive responsibility never was really asked of him, cause he played on such solid teams. Torts did instill on him a mindset that you need to be good in your own end, but unfortunately, I think Torts did it at the expense of Kreider's offensive skills and it made CK nervous to play his natural game. With AV, you see Kreider's natural game play out, but at the same time you can see the mindset that Torts put in him defensively, but not at the hinderance of his skill, and boy is it fun to watch.
It's amazing to watch Kreider back check with his speed, strip the guy of the puck, and then charge into the offensive zone in a flash. I love how he's using the point men too. Kreider is doing such a great job forcing back the D going down low, and then he confidently passes to the point men who now have shooting lanes open. He's instigating the offense and creating plays on his own, which is something we really haven't seen him do at this level. It's pretty special.
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds That's funny - thanks - what can I say, I'm an opinionated New Yorka who knows a thing or 2 lol. I picked up on the friction with Torts about 10 or so games into last season and really felt like he was hurting this team with his lack of vision and flexibility. Not to misunderstand, he's a very good coach but he just did not seem to grasp a very fundamental aspect of coaching which is the people factor. A great coach has to understand people and work with their personalities. these players a just big kids with huge talent. add that with the fact that you have to be spontaneous. A good system needs to allow for freedom to be spontaneous and to make adjustments as this is the fastest game on earth that can change on a dime, and if you are stuck in X and O thinking you're left in the dust. However when everyone was complaining about how torts was treating Kreids you did not hear a word out of me. That because I believed JT worked well with young players and knew what he was doing and in Kried's case we are starting to see the results. Krieds was simply not NHL caliber yet so he'd be brought up to practice with the big boys and maybe get a few minutes here and there in the games and learn a few things, then sent down to get top 6 minutes he needs to practice and grow. It was fine and now we are seeing the results. A complete player who is on the threashold of becoming a dominant force in the NHL. Look, I'm not always gonna be right so I may as well bask in the glory now ;)
Assuming everyone is healthy:
If no Nash, you move Cally to Nash's spot, and you move Miller to Cally's spot, and you play Mash & Dorsett, or you bring in D. Moore.
On D, would like to see:
McD - Girardi
Staal - Moore
DelZ (if you have to) - Stralsy
But I'm in favor or trading DelZ in favor for getting Falk or Allen in there or maybe a D through a trade for DelZ.
Although Miller has a higher ceiling, i think Zucc is the better player right now. You're right that Zucc doesn't belong on the 4th line. He can't generate much on his own (he's a setup guy). But Miller can create on his own. Plus hes a fucking brat. You don't always need big bodies with no skill on the 4th line. You can put a young guy like miller out there and let him run.
As long as Pyatt is in the press box and Zucc is on the ice, I'm a happy guy
@KreiderisTheChosenOne @brian2686 Unless the Zucc Step and Kreider line starts lagging, I have no idea why anyone would break them up even when Cally and Nash return. One of Torts' problems was that nobody on the team had any chemistry because there were new lines every game. Callahan would play just as well on the third and it would make the team deeper. I think Miller might get pushed to the fourth. But that's all hypothetical, cause I don't see Nash coming back for a while.
@scrangersfan @gravey94 Cybil Fleury is as much a part of the Pens as Sid the Infant. Hate to see that change. To get Miller they'd have to dump some salary and maybe trade Fleury. chances are they will use their resources to bring in more offensive talent to further prove that scoring ability alone does not bring in the cup.
@gravey94 Sorry, I meant to say Fluery.
@gravey94 However, the Isles should have traded for Miller and not Vanek... big mistake there. The teams that would trade for him are Edmonton, Colorado (only because Varlomov is in a ton of legal trouble now), and maybe Washington believe it or not
@EHBIGAPPLE @Betweentheworlds @genetics73 @gravey94 @brian2686Yeah, I kind of remember stories like that about Pavs - and that he would only play for Brooks. "The Smirfs" - they kicked Philly's ass, then put together some solid games against the Isles who proved to be too much for them, and eventually Eddie Mio caved after standing on his head, keeping them in the series for 5 games, then giving up 7 in the 6th game and losing 4-2 in that series. I remember that one well because I was surrounded by Islander fans at work - bastards! :)
Pavs was good in the offensive zone protecting the puck and dishing it. He was a bit of a "lune"....a loner who would only talk with Herb Brooks, Ranger coach at the time. Brooks coached him when USA won the gold in the early 80's. Pavs totally trusted Brooks.
Pavs, from his Olympic experience understood "cycling" which Brooks taught our Olympic team and later helped to introduce into the NHL. That is why Brooks kept reaching out to him. Each year in September Brooks had to travel into the woods in Northern Canada to fetch him and bring him to camp. I believe one year Brooks couldn't find him and that led to Pavs' "retirement"......Garden crowd loved him because he never backed down from The Flyers.
@EHBIGAPPLE @Betweentheworlds @genetics73 @gravey94 @brian2686 That's funny about Meatloaf. I remember Pavs, great skater with good hands - I think Zucc is more tenacious though and has a better chance of overcoming his size deficit. What happened to Pavs? - he had that great rookie season then seemed to slowly fade into oblivion.
@shoot_the_goalie @KreiderisTheChosenOne @brian2686 i like those lines and i love the idea of trading delz hes such a liability in his own end and hes not scoring so to me hes useless.... but i do think a team like the penguins would be a good fit for him and the team.. id take nething we could get for him at this point
@KreiderisTheChosenOne @gravey94 Agree that the Isles should have traded for Miller. They need goaltending and D. I'm not convinced that Pittsburgh will stay put and I don't know that Washington would be willing to give up yet on Holtby, but it wouldn't shock me. I hope Miller goes out west somewhere.
@RangersVW14 lol.....got it now.....halloween hangover....too much candy w/ the kids last night! LGR
He would be playing for Hartford and taking the bus to play a game at Bridgeport, whereas in NY they would be flying to away games.