Let's not fool ourselves Rangers fans, if it wasn't for the Edmonton Oilers in 1994, we'd still be hearing chants of 1940 from Islanders fans. So I guess it makes sense that Glen Sather might be going back to the future, only in reverse.
According to Larry Brooks at the New York Post, the Oilers dispatched a scouting expedition featuring their president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, general manager Craig MacTavish and special adviser Mark Messier to the Rangers/Ducks game last night.
Edmonton is believed to be accepting offers for veteran winger Ales Hemsky while also exploring the market for second-year winger Nail Yakupov.
Hemsky is on the final year of a contract worth a $5 million cap charge, which the Rangers currently don't have room for, and is eligible for unrestricted free agency in July.
Brooks adds that the recent play of Chris Kreider and return to the lineup of Carl Hagelin and Ryan Callahan have forestalled the immediate need to rush into a deal for a top-six winger, but that you never know with Sather. And even if they were in the market Brooks isn't sure Rangers have assets to acquire Yakupov.
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How about Hemsky for Del Zotto? Hemsky's $5 mil salary an impediment to most trade talks though.#Oilers— Jim Matheson (@NHLbyMatty) November 5, 2013
The Edmonton Journal beat writer also wonders if the Oilers would be interested in Kreider.
..turning the 2011-12 Eastern Conference Finalists into the Columbus Blue Jackets was bad enough, please Glen, don't double down on awfulness to now transform the team into the Oilers.
...hey, I guess if the Rangers are interested in moving Del Zotto, they got lucky as he probably had his best game of the season in front of the Edmonton scouts last night.
...i do think Sather needs to be aggressive in bringing in some offense with Nash likely not returning soon, but Hemsky, who has not surpassed 20 goals since 2008, is not the answer. Even if it allows the Rangers to send Del Zotto packing.
...as far as Yakupov goes. An enigmatic Russian player? What could go wrong?
...a guy I had previously mentioned on the blog, Versteeg, was a healthy scratch the other night for Florida so I think they'd unload him for next to nothing while eating some of his salary. Just a thought.
This just in: mayor of Toronto on crack. He admits smoking crack however in is own defense he claimed to be in a drunken stupor at the time!
I wonder what Don Cherry will have to say about that.
watch Yak play in EDM right now, he could not care less about playing on that team...he wants out and that could benefit us; that being said any trade involving kreider and ill go nuts
You guys don't miss a thing! :)
Well shouldn't be surprised that we are exploring trades. Doesn't mean we're desparate , and in fact we've been playing well the last couple weeks but we should be always looking for ways to improve. To get something you have to give something so if someone is on the block it doesn't mean they've played bad. The way I see it less than half the team is immune from possible trade if the right deal was made ( though I would think and certainly hope Kreids is immune).
IM NOT FOOLING MYSELF! BRIAN LEETCH WON THAT DAMN CUP! LOVE THE MESSIAH BUT IF YOU WANT TO LIST MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF THE CUP RUN IT STARTS WITH LEETCH AND KEENAN, PERIOD. MIKE RICHTER IS AN ARGUABLE 3RD. COULD THE RANGERS HAVE WON A CUP WITHOUT THE OTHER OILER IMPORS BESIDES MESSIER? HELL YES. COULD THEY HAVE WON WITHOUT ONE BRIAN JOSEPH LEETCH? HELL NO MY FRIEND.
We have false reports coming out now that Nash was skating from reliable sources... What the hell is going on with Rick Nash... Jesus Christ. The rangers are more mysterious than any organization in sports when it comes to injuries
I know it's right up there with Bruce Garrioch at the Ottawa Sun, but Eklund over at hockeybuzz.com posted this morning that the Canucks are interested in MDZand are willing to move a notable forward as part of the deal...
Can we wait a bit? One close loss after a nice run is a bit premature to blow things up. Things seemed to be finally clicking. Lets see a few more games against good teams before we even think about blowing up the roster. We dont know what we have yet. Every game should be stretched out to seven in our heads. After last night, if played six more games in a row against the ducks with the amount of shots we had i think we would have a good chance of winning the series. Playoffs are all that matters. And play like that will get you there. Yes we lost but that play would get us into the playoffs because we would beat enough crappy teams to get there.
Hemsky for Del Zotto? Is that a joke? Hemsky fucking sucks.
I would trade anybody on this roster except for McDonagh and Stepan for Yakupov straight up.
Am I crazy...what's with all the Girardi hate going on? Why would we trade G? He's not having a great year, but who on the team is? Torts ran Girardi into the ground - and Hank too. I think he just needs some time to come back to form. He's a reliable veteran - I know he's not a bruiser, but he's still a pretty solid D-man. Not sure we are gonna get anything great in return that's gonna immediately make the team a lot better with a deal anyway. Peeps are getting trade happy after 14 games....relax. No?
Well, according to Eklund and his reliable source, Torts has major interest in DelZotto and our return (though not specifically mentioned, would be Kesler). I find this hard to believe, but if true, I would sweeten the pot and add Girardi and one of Tort's favorites... Pyatt, if we also get Kassian.
So maybe Nash is just on vacation... if he has time to do this ;)
Versteeg, crazy russians --ie Zherdev none of these are the answers---we don't need another Pouliot on the team---big skill no finish
I wonder if anyone here saying we should trade Girardi, MDZ, Miller, etc the same people who complained about the Nash trade and how it ruined chemistry and set the team back. That trade was done to improve scoring also. My point ... to get a legit scorer (30+/season) you have to give up quality (perfect example is the recent Islanders trade) and sometimes giving up that much quality hurts you more in the long run than than it helps in the short term. Just a thought.
I wish all this bullst talk of the Rangers ressembling the BlueJackets of old because they have 4 or 5 players who played there before.. THe Jackets have never had a Lundvist and never boasted the likes of our top 4 defenseman EVER!!! they are not even close to ressembling those dredful teams from Columbus.. they started off week but have since won 4 of 6 and have outshot their opponent and mostly outplayed them as well since the end of the roadtrip.. WITHOUT a full lineup and a Marquee franchise player.. adding Nash to that lineup has a huge trickle down effect.. that being said so too would adding a big time goalscorer or a really strong shot from the point (been wishing fo rhtat for years) PK Subban would be nice!!!
Players involved in trades usually fit into 1 of 3 categories: 1) About to be a UFA; 2) Injury plagued; 3) Inconsistent performance, either based on talent or attitude.
With the exception of a prospect or a draft pick that turns in to something, that's about all there is trades, so if you think Sather is going to pull a fast one and magically find the second coming of Rick Nash and give up nothing, you're nuts.
I'm with @shoot_the_goalie I think Sather's best chance is to make a play with Vancouver. Get them to overpay for someone that Torts would love to add to be a system guy, like Girardi. I love the guy and I don't want him to leave, but when you weigh supply vs demand, Torts may demand more than anyone else. With the way our roster looks going into the offseason, you have to assume we can't afford to keep Cally, Hank, and Girardi, and someone will overpay Girardi, so Sather should take what he can get if its worth it.
@Easy_Kreider If he could care less about playing when he doesn't like the situation he's in, what stops him from doing the same if he comes to NY and is unhappy? No thanks to Nail unless they trade him straight up for someone like Pyatt. heh.
@Rangeranger It's not about blowing things up, and I don't get the sense on the blogs that this trade talk is all about being impatient with current results.
The reality is that the NYR have 8 UFAs and 7 RFAs at the end of the year. (over 60% of the team) Then look ahead one year, and you have 3 more UFAs and 3 more RFAs up for new contracts. The only guys the NYR have locked up right now in long term deals are Nash, Richards, & McD (and one of them is probably going to be amnestied). Even with the cap possibly going up, it's not going to be substantial enough to be able to resign a lot of these guys, so you have to start thinking about trades and getting some value back on those players that you're least likely to resign or those UFAs that are looking to test the open market. And let's be honest, more likely than not, this is not going to be a "Cup run" year, so you have to start thinking about the future. Like it or not, the NYR are going to have to rebuild because of the CBA.
The harsh realities could possibly come later this year. Say Cally and Hank show signs that they want to test the open market. If you're Sather, you then have to start seriously thinking about trading them in order to get something back for them. I mean, even if we're not going to resign Stralman (another impending UFA), you still gotta shop him around to see if you can get anything for him instead of allowing him to walk away for nothing, even if all you're getting is a 4th-5th rounder.
So this trade talk is not all "doomsday" talk or silly panic banter. Ok, well some of it is (like trading DelZotto for free pizzas for players during intermission) Again, the harsh reality is that Sather is gonna have to start changing up the personnel on this team in a very serious way, and sooner the better while they have more value.
I whole heartedly agree with you. The Rangers played well yesterday(Except for the turnover).
@PenaltySh0t Even Hank?
@AveryYesBettmanNo I don't think it's Girardi hate at all. If the NYR need to make a trade, DG makes a lot of sense cause 1) he has trade value, 2) he's a UFA at end of season (and NYR have a lot of new contracts at end of season to deal with), 3) he's struggling under AV. I don't think anyone here is suggesting Sather to trade DG cause he's solely not playing well (say like the suggestions for DelZotto to be traded)
@MikeBlue Right. Because Torts will break up his top line for Michael Del Zotto. The Sedins-Kesler is their bread and butter line. If you had said DZ for one of their dmen with bombs from the point - I'd give it a little more credence.
@KreiderisTheChosenOne someone should have put money on the board to have him say Olivia Munn
@KreiderisTheChosenOne Based on the answer that must have been post-concussion. Nothing against Gwen Stefani, but talk about a little dated. That concussion must have him thinking its the mid 90s and "Spiderwebs" is at the top of the charts...arguably the worst pick of the video...
@Say my Name to be fair he is only 20... That was Stamkos at that age. He could easily get up to 205 like Stammer did
@TruBluEsp I for one would have done the Nash trade any day of the week and then the next week. There was no real evidence of injury before he came to the NYR, and I don't believe losing Dubi & AA was detrimental to the NYR or hurt team chemistry as much as people tend to think. Dubi & AA are good players. Nash is a game changer when healthy.
You can't trade in hindsight, and so IMHO, that trade by Sather was a solid one.
The move I didn't like when it happened was trading Gabby. Gabby is the sniper we are currently sorely lacking, especially with Nash out, and contrary to many peoples' opinion, I thought he played with a lot of heart and cared a lot about the team's success. It's just he and Torts didn't get along (and as we found out many didn't), so he got shipped off for a bunch of promising, but unproven players. I cringe whenever you trade a 40 goal scorer, cause there's not many in the NHL.
I've called for all 3 of those guys you mentioned to be possible trade bait, but I don't want to trade them for a "bag of pucks". With any trade you want equal or greater value, whether it's personnel, or cap space, or future potential.
Dan G I think has a lot of value with specific teams in this league, teams that play a collapsing style of D. But on AV's team, he doesn't fit in as well. Plus he's getting older, is a UFA next year.
MDZ, is a RFA next year looking for a big pay raise. He has good trade value cause he's still young and has proven he can play in this league. I just don't think he's consistent enough, and not on the positive side of high risk/high reward. Trade him if we get something good for him.
Miller, I've suggested only if we get something really good for him, cause he's one of our top prospects, and lots of teams, if you're gonna trade want top prospects and draft picks, not mid-level prospects or aging players. The other top prospect on the NYR is Kreider. If NYR want to make a deal that requires a top prospect, no way they should give up Kreider, so that leaves you with Miller.
@TruBluEsp I would do the Nash trade again in a heartbeat. But I don't think we're going to be able to resign both MDZ and Girardi, so I think it makes sense to trade one of them for a forward. If Edmonton wants to deal Yakupov for D, I think we should be interested.
@andrewstamant29 It would be awesome. It's also not going to happen.
@shoot_the_goalie @TruBluEsp and whats up with all this desperation to have a superstar player? is nash better then ovechkin , no. do we beat ovechkins team annually now, yes. crosby and malkin got swept by a team with no superstar forwards. i just dont get it. and when its all said and done GABORIK IS BETTER THEN NASH. conversation over , period the end. we had a better player then nash and got cute cause we fell short in the semi's and torts had a hard on for dubi nis and gabby. make no mistakes about it the nash trade was a bad 1. you realize this guy with concussion signed until 2021? 2021!!!!!!!!!!!!! and we talk about the richards buy out??
@shoot_the_goalie @TruBluEsp you guys got it backwards. he absolutely gutted the team for nash, it was a horrible trade. he moved 2 young centers, a #1 overall, and a young defenseman currently starting for them. all on the hopes nash had a bigger upside. turns out he doesnt, the scoring didnt go up while other things went down, mainly WINS!
the gaborik trade was great, imagine if he pulled the trigger on gaborik and not nash? this team would be a beast , they would have more salary room and more felixibility. and oh yeah they would have had a 1st round draft pic last year where you pick guys like kreider and nash and gaborik
callahan stepan richards
hagelin anisimov kreider
dubinsky brassard pouliot
dorsett boyle zuccarello
@DubiLeetch @johnnyb3910 @shoot_the_goalie No one implied that. It was implied that Torts could have some influence in whom Gillis could trade for. Coaches do discuss with GMs team needs quite frequently, and some coaches have a lot of sway over the GM (Keenan in 94) And if VAN thinks they could make a run for the Cup or get a guarantee to an extension, then yes, they absolutely could trade for a UFA like Girardi, whom Torts covets.
@DubiLeetch @shoot_the_goalie @TruBluEsp You're speaking in hindsight DubiLeetch. The main reason the Nash trade looks bad right now is that Nash has been hurt frequently. But at the time of the trade, no one could have predicted that, and when healthy, Nash has been dominant and a huge contributor to the team. He also makes players around him better (see Step), even in his limited time with NYR. When people say they would do that trade again in a heartbeat, they are referring to at the time of the trade, not in hindsight. Of course no one in their right mind does that trade if Nash is known to be prone to concussions and his career could possibly be over. Come on...give us some credit.
And while I like Dubi & Artie, it's not as if they're tearing up the league right now and the CBJ are looking like a Cup contender. Last I checked the NYR are higher in the standings w/o Nash than the CBJ are with Artie & Dubi. (and the NYR were better than CBJ last year too) And the #1 pick they got (Kerby Rychel) - it's too early to tell what he's going to amount to, and who is the young d-man starting for them? Tim Erixon hasn't played a game for CBJ since last April and is currently in the AHL as far as I know.
In regards to the Gabby trade, while I wasn't a fan of it, I don't think it was a horrible trade either and it's still too early to tell how it's panning out. Brass and Moore are promising talents, but they're both struggling right now. Dorsett, while playing the way he usually plays, is at best a 3rd liner. And I know points aren't the barometer of value for a trade, but right now Gabby has more pts than all 3 of those guys combined. However, trading Gabby did open cap space, which was a huge benefit to that trade.
To your point about superstars. Almost every Cup winning team has a dominant superstar, and sometimes multiple superstars. Crosby & Malkin have a Cup to their name. And yes, they got swept by the Bruins last year, a well balanced Bruins team that has Chara and Rask, both, players that many people would consider superstars. Superstars make the players around them better, and gives the team more depth cause the opposition has to constantly focus on them. Case in point, the NYR would probably miss the playoffs every year without Hank, who is a superstar. And imagine how much worse WSH would be without Ovi.