After a tough start to the season, Henrik Lundqvist has been absolutely on top of his game. That was until 19:13 of the second period last night when he gave up an unforgivable goal to Ryan Carter...
Here's Lundqvist on the goal post game...
“It was just a bad decision. Reading it that he was going high and I think he fanned on it but I need to play it differently. It was a really bad goal and tough to give up at the end of the period."
After the game, Alain Vigneault said it was a goal "Hank would like to have back" and should have been a "routine save."
...i don't want to get too crazy about this as Hank has not only been superb lately, except for that goal, he was great last night as well, but man, you'd like to see him make that save.
...also thought it was interesting to hear Vigneault call it a "routine save" after the game. This is the second time this season AV has expressed his dismay with the Vezina winning goaltender publicly. The other was ironically after the Rangers other loss to the Devils earlier this year when he said Lundqvist "needs to be better." None of what AV has said is false, but I'd love to know how Hank feels about his head coach calling him out in the media twice. Definitely don't need our All World goaltender suffering from confidence issues.
...wonder if AV will throw Hank right back out there Saturday night in Montreal (aka his own personal House of Horrors) or save him for the next night against the Kings at MSG. To me, it's not even a choice. AV has to go with Talbot and his new Ghostbusters mask to exorcize the demons north of the border.
When asked about Carl Hagelin giving up the back check on Carter right before the goal, Vigneault said he wasn't sure what happened as it was an easy first man on the puck.
...Hagelin's normally not a player who dogs it, so I wonder if he thought there was defensive help coming from Girardi who decided to slide down to the ice to block the shot instead of take the man. Likely a lack of communication more than anything.
I just watched that reply for the 1st time and I really can't blame Hags - it looked like Hags got there to make sure Carter didn't cut back to the middle but also didn't commit because Dan G. was right there in position, correct me if I'm wrong but I think in this system Hags needs to watch the trailer and Dan G needs to take the puck handler, but instead he stood there and then tried to block the shot instead of taking the man. Looks like an innocuous play where the team got lackadaisical knowing he was being forced to take a bad angle shot. Good reminder (or maybe "bad" reminder) that you cannot let down for a minute in the fastest game on earth..
When the hell did athletes (and fans) become so paper-mache??? Holy crap! AV didn't "call him out" Is this a function of the everyone gets a fucking trophy for participating generation?? Someone pointing out the obvious is NOT calling out. Have any of you actually been called out in your lives?
Sorry, but has anyone noticed that athletes are getting paid in fractions of BILLIONS of dollars because of the public's insatiable appetite over every little nuance of this entertainment business? And a coach can't even ALLUDE to the obvious without people groaning that he is "calling someone out"??
Not only was it nowhere close calling someone out, but it should be totally acceptable for a coach to do that had he done it. Team chemistry is going to be hurt??? Players might RESENT the coach?? What fucking planet are these faberge eggs living on who think this? In the real world you do your job and if you mess up you catch flak. The appropriate response??? Admit your mistake and fix it! That is how I was raised and how my son was raised. You don't whine about being taken to task and sure as hell don't resent your boss for pointing out YOUR mistake.
Really people, get a grip. This is as ludicrous as the movie stars wanting privacy, but having no problem cashing 25 million dollar checks the result of the same infatuation that spawns that curiosity about their private lives as it does their desire to see their crappy movies.
relax its lundquist, yes they were soft goals but how many goals did the offense miss? if u want a goalie to stand on his head night in and night out then the offense shoulda had 8.
I was taken aback by AV's post-game call out of Hank. I didn't like it. And not because it's Hank (who was VERY upset with himself because he knew he blew it). I don't like it when a coach does it to any player. I didn't like it when Torts did it; and I don't like it when AV does it. I especially didn't like that he brought it up on his own, instead of in response to a question. Plus, it wasn't the first time, as Kevin mentioned, which suggests that this is a pattern. Holding players accountable doesn't mean you should single them out for criticism in public. Do it in private. Make them sit out a game. (Did wonders for Zucc.) And it's not because I worry about hurting a player's confidence. I just don't think it's smart or good for team chemistry. As a coach, I think you need to show that you'll protect your players after a tough loss, not serve up individuals on a platter for the vultures in the media. While it's a small sample size, AV seems to have a tendency to do that. And while I think he's a good coach, it's not my favorite trait of his. I think he'd engender more loyalty from the team if he tamped that down. You want to play for a guy who fights for you, not one who singles you out for blame.
He let in two soft goals last night. Over confidence is what doomed him and the Rangers last night. They can quickly fall into a 4-game losing streak this week if they don't take their opponents seriously.
sloppy play and bad luck almost always lead to losses, and last night was no exception, however, we were still in the game...this is a characteristic of good teams, play bad, and still have a chance to win, it looks like were are becoming a team that can win without playing perfect hockey, a novel concept, playing with a larger margin of error...in years past we lose that game 5-1, in years past the only way for us to win was to play mistake free hockey and hope for lucky bounces, perhaps we've turned the corner...LGR
I wonder how long we're going to be talking about this goal? All goalies will give up a bad one from time to time. That's why you always look to shoot. The Hags play looked like a miscomunication from a team learning a new defensive system. It's been happening but on this occasion they happened to score.
Lundqvist has looked human this early season, but Talbot has surprised so I'll take that trade off. Henriks game will pick up later in the season-little doubt-especially with Cam playing good amounts.Win some lose some but the team looks capable and with Nash back in top shape-they win this game.
We have a tiygh next 3 games let's c how they respond to this loss ......We haven't beat the Habs in years it seems and then a trip back to play Kings a little early but this is how you gauge this teams character and Leadership
The goal was a lousy job by Hank (he'll admit it) and a lousy job by Hagelin on the backcheck (Hagelin had another bad moment on the penalty he took where he stopped moving his feet - would have liked Joe to point that out).
You know what, they're both great players and will make up for these mistakes in spades. Let's get over it and move on.
The call outs are warranted. An ECHL goalie would've made that save. He's a professional and should be able to take criticism. I like the accountability being preached here.
I don't see how AV us calling him out with that remark? Torts used to say the same kinds if things. Bad goal, that's it. Hell Rangers made it to the Cup in 1994 because if a bad goal by the other guy. Didn't affect his career or confidence. Non-issue.
Yes minus that 1-0 shut out I'm not knocking the guy he is elite if not the best but always 1 bad 1 against them .....Also bad game plan against Marty you can't let hi. Play the puck cross corners are how you get fore check on them when Marty is in net
He called it a routine save because that is what it was. I yell at AV for a lot of things, but he was 100 percent accurate in calling that a routine save. Hank should have made it
People really need to figure out that what AV said is not "calling Lundqvist out" and that if Hank's confidence is that easily shaken by a factual remark, we have much bigger problems.
@Say my Name Today's articles in the NYPost and Daily News are why I took exception to AV's comments. It caused reporters to go back to Hank and ask him about it (again), trying to goad him into complaining about his coach (which he didn't, instead throwing his defense under the bus). Is it really a big deal? No. But that's not good for the team over the long run, and it wouldn't happen if AV was more careful. Hope he learns from it.
I think the issue is more publicly criticizing a players performance to the press rather than keeping it in the locker room. . Hank should have stopped that one. Well duh. It happens to them all. The press, who twists things out of proportion does not need to hear it. However this is really an innocuous example and Hank is harder on himaelf than any coach would be so the public statement is not going to motivate him, or do a damn thing other then give the papers fodder for their idiotic articles. but i see where you're coming from and agree with it all
@Say my Name Awesome. Love this response.
@rangermom You gotta be kidding..... He was not called out. Coach was only pointing out the obvious. You must be a proponent of everybody gets a trophy and makes the team and gets equal playing time. Get a grip on reality.
@giovani1stnhloverallpick Then they play the Bruins on Tuesday. We'll know a lot more about this team in a week.
@jasonshyer But they lost. I have to complain about something. lol
@gravey94 Is Hank going to suck now because of the comments? No. But this is twice AV has said something negative about his play to the media. I think what's causing the conversation about the comment is that the question AV answered had nothing to do with Lundqvist and he brought it up on his own.
@giovani1stnhloverallpick Agree. Always have to keep dump-ins away from Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarty.
@KreiderisTheChosenOne As I say in my comments, he's 100% correct, but keep it in the room. Hagelin did "suck" on the power play last season, but Torts didn't need to say it to the media.
@giovani1stnhloverallpick You mean minus that amazing 1-0 shootout win at the Garden a few years ago.
@RSJem I hear you, but as a former goaltender whose coach was tough on him at times it does wear on you a bit whether you're Lundqvist or some schmo like me. Compounds it when in the media.
As Torts used to say (although not always preach), keep it in the room.
@supermaz Not so sure. It looks like he pulled up because he thought Girardi was coming. Even if he was winded he would have continued to follow Carter, but he didn't.
@Betweentheworlds Yeah...understand not berating a player in public, but still only a little, I really don't think it should matter. But this wasn't even that. It was just a comment. My rant was just against this crazy hypersensitivity.
As for the press, totally agree. They are a bunch of parasitic scumbags who would twist their host into a crippled rag in order to draw just one more swallow of blood. A good, strong and decent coach would tell his team not to consider their stories at all; and that no matter what he says to the press he would also say to their face.
@Kevin DeLury @RSJem Keep it in the room, unless you want to tell the assembled media that Hagelin "sucks" on the power play, right? That's what calling someone out actually looks like. Stating the obvious about a soft goal when asked is fair play.
There's far too much concern over the feelings of these guys, as if we can even psychoanalyze them from afar.
@supermaz Actually, just looked at it again, he did continue to trail Carter, but still feel Hags thought Girardi was coming.