Somehow the "routine save" comment that was made by Alain Vigneault when referring to the weak goal Henrik Lundqvist allowed against the Devils Tuesday night has now leaked into a third day.
When asked about the coach's criticism yesterday, Lundqvist said (via New York Post) the blame "should go for all of us" and it wasn't that goal which cost them the game, it was a breakdown on the third period winner.
To Lundqvist's credit he did agree with Vigneault's assessment and added this...
“Sometimes, I feel like you can hide behind the team, say ‘We, we, we,’ but at some point you have to be honest with yourself,” he said. “Obviously, being a goalie it’s easier to just look at the guy’s performance every night, but I definitely don’t have a problem with that.
“That’s the world I live in as a goalie. You can make 20 good things and one bad thing, and you only talk about the bad thing out there. At the same time, I can have games where I make a mistakes, but we still win and people think I played really well. That’s my world, that’s a goalie’s world, you just have to accept it.”
...yes, I get that Lundqvist is a big boy and has to face the music when making a gaffe such as the one Tuesday night, but the fact that this is still being talked about two days later is the biggest reason why I'd rather Vigneault keep his criticism in the room. Stand behind your players and don't add fuel to the fire. The press is just chomping at the bit for a comment like that to run with. And in this case they have.
...while I give Lundqvist credit for answering every question regarding the Carter goal and acknowledging that Vigneault's comments were appropriate, I've got to admit, I didn't like him deflecting some of the blame onto teammates. Be a leader, take your medicine and move on.
...to be honest, I really don't feel like any of this is big deal and not a product of anything negative going on behind the scenes. It's nothing more than a creation by the media looking for readership, which I guess I'm feeding into, but I felt I should at least put it out there for you guys to debate. Man, we need a game.
The change in mass media priority from truth finding and news reporting to, as you put it, "readership and viewership" (translation: money), is a major part of our nation's problems as well.
Let's give it a rest and play the game!!
I agree with Hank's assesment. If he play like crap and the team scores 5 and wins then it's not a big deal in the media. But as was the case against the Devils the team did not light it up and the bad goal was huge in deciding the final outcome. It all boils down to the TEAM. It is a matter of all 19 players working as a unit. If one facet of the TEAM breaks down it can and usually does impact the outcome of the game. So while Hank does occasionally let in a softie or 2 there are usually other culprits as well. (IE: Against the Devils giving up a 2 on 1 in a tie game late in the third period). Basically the media has to stop with the sensationalism and just report.
Agree 100% with your statement that hank should've taken the blame and cut the shit about the "we." Even if that's the case, man up and accept the blame. How often does he get the praise when things are going well (granted he usually deserves it). Well, when you eff up, own it
I used to play goalie in High School soccer. It's like being a corner back in the NFL, and Hank is spot on. It comes with the territory, you have to live with some extra criticism because you're the last one between the oppontent and the goal.
A corner back could guard Calvin Johnson and hold him to one reception and thats impressive, but if that one reception is a 40+ yard game winning TD, you just had the worst game of your career.
Bottom Line: 3 days off between games, gotta write about something, and we not spiraling to the bottom of the division anymore...
I understand that the media sucks and how it jumps, spins, distorts, blah, blah, blah. That said, to be afraid of them, or more precisely to let an awareness of the media's proclivity toward bullshit dictate your behavior is ridiculous. Just be a stand up guy....always, and let the media run with whatever the fuck they want. If Hank is the wonderful combination of stupid and hypersensitive that he lets what the MEDIA says get to him then...wow....shame on him.
As for Hank saying there were plenty of breakdowns? Again, he is right. So what? Agree that it does look weak though to make that comment IMMEDIATELY after fielding a question about your mess up.
AV failed at management 101.
No problem stating the obvious, but it should have gone like this, hank let in a soft one on that one, but he bounced back and that save on Jagr kept us in the game. I will take one soft one for all the ones he stops that he should not have. He keeps us in games every night.
For every negative give a couple positives.
I blame Hank more that Vig. Hank screwed up and should have taken his medicine but compounded that mistake by deflecting blame. Also Vig is not familiar with the NY press. Think Hank was spoiled by Torts who rarely called him out, if ever yet Torts told Hags in public that he stinks. Av is not afraid to call out anybody when they are deserved to be called out. It isn't like Vig said Hank stinks.
You said it correctly. We need a game. These stretches of days with nothing going on is brutal, and the elite press has to justify it's existence. They therefore run with something small. Vigneult has probably learned his lesson and won't do it again.
So the question to AV was what he thought about Hagelin not getting back to cover Carter. His response..."I’m not quite sure what happened there, it’s an easy first man on the puck. Mind you, it’s a routine save." So the alternatives were..."I'm not going to talk about it" which is Torts 2.0, or "Yes, Hagelin needs to get back and cover that player." in which case he is "calling out" Hags instead of Hank. Sorry, The only way to get rid of this non-story is for Hank to say, yes it was routine but we battled back to tie, next question. That ends all this BS right there.
I'm re-posting my comment on your headline post from earlier. because this is exactly what I feared would happen: "Ok, for all those who jumped on me yesterday when I took exception to AV's calling out Hank's play to the media -- today's Post and News articles are why I said it's not a smart move on the coach's part. Because AV said what he did, reporters felt the need ("duty," they'd say) to bring it up to Hank, who then has to admit (again) that he sucked on that play -- and then defend himself by throwing his defense under the bus. Not good. Reporters eat that stuff up -- and the team will not be better for it. My advice stands -- Keep individual critiques in the room. Protect your players from the media."
Yeah, just media stuff, but the way to deal with it is give Hank another start in Montreal. After hearing about this bad goal for the last few days, the last thing we want is to have him on the bench for a game NYR needs in a bad way. Something has to give with this Habs hex.
something out of nothing. I blame Hank more for calling out his d than not making the save. Hank has to know better.
@johnnyb3910 Nailed it with final thought.
@gravey94 If he left out the the last part, none of this happens. Again, whatever. Not a big deal, but just don't like the blame game.
@rangermom Couldn't agree more.
@stets99 That's a good point.
I live in Montreal, and trust me, you don't want to put a kid in that atmosphere.
NYR started Biron twice in Montreal last year and were outscored 6-zip. That was 120 minutes at the Centre Bell I'll never get back. Watching this one from the pub.