Apparently, Rangers fans aren't the only ones miffed about the Rangers decision to radically alter the team after their successful run to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2011-12 as both Brandon Dubinsky and Marian Gaborik addressed this issue before facing their former team for the first time last night (via Bergen Record).
"...the hardest part for me was we went from growing up together and taking a team that hadn’t made the playoffs in forever to a team that was in the conference finals and I guess when you look at it, not only my trade and sending Artie and Timmy here but I guess all of the moves as a whole, I didn’t understand it quite that they would want to bring in as many new guys after a successful season and a successful playoff run. But sometimes that’s just how New York is, they like the flash and they want the dash and they want a new toy, I guess. And that’s no disrespect to the organization because they were so great to me. But, like I said, that was the hardest part. But when you get traded for a guy like Nash, he’s one of the elite players in the league, you can’t lose sight of that, he’s one of the best players in the NHL so I understand you have to give up some assets. I feel like they wouldn’t have just given me away for nothing.”
...sounds like someone is bitter. I guess being traded from the greatest city in the world to Columbus will do that to a person.
"The run to conference final was awesome. It was fun to be part of that organization, play at MSG, for the fans. Too bad the next year turned into we had eight guys left, that was big difference to lose that many guys. It made a big difference in our game next year. No regrets.”
The two also discussed their relationship with John Tortorella and Dubinsky offered this nugget...
"I think my relationship with Torts fell apart the last year I was there and I just felt like his relationships with some of the other players could be doing the same thing so I guess that sums it up as to why I wasn’t completely surprised that (I was traded).”
Gaborik decided to keep his thoughts regarding Tortorella to himself.
...really interesting to hear the take of both these guys on the Rangers overhaul. I don't blame them for being disappointed. The ultimate goal for every player is to win the Stanley Cup. To be so close one year and then be either shipped out or see the team blown up must have been difficult.
...having said that, Dubinsky's quote regarding Torts is very telling. We all complained last season that the Rangers shipping out heart and soul guys like Dubinsky was one of the biggest reasons for the team's struggles. However if the former head coach's relationships with those players was already strained, I'm not so sure the struggles last season could have been avoided any way.
i think its interesting to see that players relationships with torts started deteriorating the year prior when they made the run to the ECF.
Now I want to know how Gaborik really feels about Torts. Must be pretty bad, because this is the second time ( I think ) that he has dodged the subject..
It was obvious to me that losing the salt and pepper guys would have a huge impact on the team and I expected the coach to change strategies some to compensate but not only did that not happen, Slats and Torts were scratching their heads mid season saying they under estimated the impact losing those players would have. WTF? I am just a fan and they have 80 years of pro hockey experience between them so I have to believe that I do not have a higher hockey IQ than the coach and GM combined but rather they were sticking their heads in the sand on this one. Is this who I really want at the helm of my team? I'm not criticizing the Nash trade but come on, you just changed the entire make up of your team. Get real! My other comment here would be that they came close to a Stanley Cup on paper only. This was a tough team but really not Stanley cup caliber. Trying to get some scoring here was the right thing to do and Nash seemed like a good fit.
BTW, anyone else notice that the high flying Canucks have been in ten 1 goal games of their 1st 17? Sounds familiar. I wonder what the common factor is?
I still like Dubi for his passion, but the reason he is no longer in NY was on display last night. His team down, he gets a breakaway against a goalie who's played 3 NHL games, and he come nowhere near finishing. Dubi in a nutshell. Lotsa potential, most of it unrealized. Same with Anisimov. All the evidence is now there, the players started to tune Torts out, but IcyCup nailed it, both guys under-performed against their expectations. The team went as far as it could in 2011-2012. Scoring was a serious issue. Sather addressed it. Grit was an issue, addressed that also but didn't work. Now the team is faster, strong on D, and scores more. Time will tell if the "tweaking" was the right move or not.
I still miss Dubi big time. Heart & soul player who even when he wasn't having his best game offensively was always willing to stand up for teammates and do what it took to win.
Great to be able to get insight especially in this sport that is usually so close mouthed. Both players have good points. Real good points about questioning the organization.
But here's the thing. They BOTH played their way outta New York. And before I hear anything about Gabby scoring 40+ 2x, he was good, No,
Great 50% of the time. That's not good
Ballsy of Dubi to talk about ny wanting the new toy etc. I think that he's mostly right on there.
Great couple of games lately. Wish I could've been around more to post more and read more.
I miss Dubi and still like him. It was fun to see him in last night's game. I kind of wish Brassard could have beaten him on a faceoff, but at least we won.
I'd take dubi back in a heart beat. Especially when you look at some of the trash we have on 3rd/4th lines. Don't even get me started on pyatt
So after Torts gets fired we hear that several players said something along the lines that Torts lost the locker room.. now we get Duby saying something similar and Gaborik with a no comment. Clearly it's not bullshit and it was taking a toll on the players and the team. Idk why some people refuse to see that. Torts is a great coach but his act wore thin after a while. I think AV was just the change we needed. LGR
@gravey94 Canucks also 26th in the NHL on the power play.
@IcyCup and btw...seriously Icy, where have you been lately?
@IcyCup Dubinsky has a point but him never improving from his rookie year saps him all of his ability to complain. He's the reason he's not in NY anymore.
I think of Gaborik as an above average role-player, whose role was to score. As you imply, he radically lacked consistency in said role, which made him a liability because he was so poor at the other aspects of the game both on and off the ice. I don't miss him at all. I miss the Rangers who were tough to play against physically.
That said, the 11/12 team had its moment, came up short and there were clear improvements that needed to be made, that still need to be made.
@IcyCup well, you can't isolate Gabby & Dubi's play just on them, after reading all that's happened with Torts and his relationships with players. Look at Kreider. Under Torts, we were calling him a bust, Jessiman 2.0. Under AV, people are calling him the next NYR superstar.
Anyway, most organizations want to win a Cup, cause it's good for the bottom line (more interest, more fans, more merchandise/tickets sold). However, the NYR are unique (just as strong markets like TOR) The NYR don't have to win to pull in large amounts of revenue (TOR & NYR have been some of the highest grossing teams in the NHL for years now), but they have to put out a constantly fresh product so fans don't get bored, merchandise doesn't get stale, etc, etc. Getting the hot new free agent or superstar is a LOT easier for the NYR than building a Cup winning team, and because of the strength of the NY market, yields very similar results monetarily.
Frustrating for fans, but the Dolans are still making their profits, and ilike most businesses, you make your profits the easiest way possible. IMHO, that's why the NYR get guys like Gabby, Richie, Nash, and in the past, Lindros, Bure, Drury, Gomez, Jagr - even though everyone of those guys have shown liabilities in the NYR careers. But Dolans don't care cause it sells more tickets, more jerseys, more ads, and results in more revenue.
It's just how the NY market works. Look at the Devs. Extremely successful organization in terms of making the playoffs, winning Cups, but they're always struggling or ending up bankrupt.
@Salyzer And the play on the ice the last few weeks proves that.
@Hotfreak I liked Gabby and I think he's being undervalued in some of the comments here but I do agree that he's not a complete package
@shoot_the_goalie @IcyCup Good points on the business - really good points. No we don't need to win the cup to draw consistant fans with high ticket prices and I love the comments about their free agents superstars being like the "hot new toys" to bring in fan interest but they don't go that extra yard to create a championship team around that superstar. Can anyone say "Wayne Gretzky"?
I have to say with Kreider -( and you know I'm no fan of our former coach) that I will give JT some credit for Kreid's emergence this year. I never complained about how Torts treated him last season, and used him etc. when the fan base here was crying bloody murder (though I did complain about pretty much everything else Torts did) and the reason being is I felt like he was on point with him. Let him work with the big boys, get some game experience in and them send him down for stretches to get some valuable top 6 minutes I'll give AV and his system some credit but I think the emergence of Krieds this year is a direct result of how Torts and Gernander have developed him.
When AV was hired as NYR coach. I felt like his fast paced, offensive possession hockey was perfect for all the 2 way (defensively responsible) players here in NY. In BC he had a ton of skilled offensive players but lacked mental and physical toughness needed for those long runs into the playoffs. These are things this NYR team has a wealth of. It's like opposites attracting and creating the perfect pair. As the Ranger players pick this structure up more they'll be a tough team to play. I also feel the same goes for Torts in Vancouver. They make a perfect pair and will by seasons end be one of the top teams in the West again. Once the Rangers get (their new toy) Rick Nash back, the other players will have won games without him and should take advantage of the time & space he will get from the opposition. This is a very good time to be a Ranger fan and just 2 weeks ago it was all gloom & doom around Rangerland. No big deal.
Hell yeah, offense is killin it lately. We're scoring more than a goal or two per game. It's awesome haha Just thinking if/when Nash returns and everyone is still healthy. We will be a really tough team to beat
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds @IcyCup Well, can't argue about Torts hindering players play now can you lol. You may be right about Krieds but IDK - he's 22 now I think, he clearly was not an NHL player last year. Yes, he saved our butt in the Ottawa series as young untested talent often does - a calculated risk that worked but it didn't take long to reveal a minor leaguer. Last year he was pretty bad in most areas of the game and I don't think it would have been conducive for Torts to keep him up here either blowing his coverage playing top 6 minutes and hurting the team or wasting him on the 4th line. He needed to play one more year and develop with top 6 minutes in the minors but as you said his hockey instincts (which you really can't learn) were there and it was good to bring him back for injured players. Give him practice with the team and a few game minutes. During his final call up is when we first started to see glimpses of Chris Kreider the major leaguer and future force to be reconned with. I've seen many a good player get ruined by rushing him. Like I said you might be right but we will never know. I just know I like what I see now and at his age and skill level I don't see how they could have done any better by him
@Betweentheworlds @shoot_the_goalie @IcyCup I agree with Kreider and have said it before. Don't think Torts used him properly, but, he did help teach him a thing or too, especially about being defensively responsible. Torts doesn't like rushing young talent, but seems like Kreider could have benefitted from being rushed, cause he's such an instinctive player. You hinder that instinct, you get Kreider of last year vs. this year.
@Centerman21 Can't wait for Nov 30th's game.