Darren Dreger at TSN made some waves on the radio today when he said this about John Tortorella's future with the Rangers should his team be eliminated quickly by the Bruins...
"If the New York Rangers were to be eliminated in short order by the Boston Bruins, is there a chance John Tortorella is replaced? Yes there is a chance, absolutely. No question about it. Glen Sather made the big trade, moved Gaborik out, obviously prior to that they found a way to acquired Rick Nash, they not done yet building this team into a true Stanley Cup contender but is John Tortorella the right coach, that management group for sure will have that discussion at the end of the season, whenever the Rangers season ends."
Listen to Dreger by clicking here.
...listen, Dreger has a lot more contacts than I do (I have zero) and knows the inner workings of all the NHL organizations, but I don't buy this for a second. Yes, as we've gone over ad nauseum on this blog, Tortorella has his obvious hang-ups (power play, stubbornness, constant line changes), but am I supposed to believe the guy who guided the Rangers to the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time since 1997 last season is going to be fired because he only took the team to the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals the next year? Yes, the Rangers did not live up to expectations in the regular season, but as I've said all year I think Torts deserves a pass for the team's slow start due to the lockout. Some players came back not prepared (cough, Richards, cough) and the moves that Sather made in the offseason did not gel very well in Torts' system because of the abbreviated training camp. But if you look at the success of the team since the trade deadline, that has Torts' trademark grinding style written all over it.
...and it's not like a loss to the Bruins would be so catastrophic or embarrassing. They're a good, physical team. And with the Rangers short-handed due to injuries to Staal and Clowe, it's easy to see why the Rangers could be bounced quickly.
...but if there's one thing I know about Torts, he'll have this team ready to play with their backs are against the wall. They're 4-1 in elimination games the last two years. So believe me, if this Rangers team is going down, Torts will make sure they not going down without a fight.
...btw, wonder how many Rangers fans are now rooting for the Bruins after this report. lol
I've been thinking about this a lot the past 24 hours, especially after another thread threw out the idea that Lundqvist might bolt when he becomes a UFA. There are some interesting teams that have a lot of cap space opening at the same time that Hank will be a UFA, most notably the Pittsburgh Penguins.
I think the Rangers need to take a long hard look at what will need to be accomplished next season to entice Lundqvist to stay, and the biggest factor has to implenting an offense driven system. Hank must be reaching a point where he knows that if he wants to play as long as Brodeur, he needs to be on a team where he can let in 2-3 goals a night and still win.
Every time people scream for Tortorella to be fired, they never name a coach to replace him...
Its really easy to just say fire him, its another thing to hire not just a better coach, but the right one.
I want him to stay. I think this year is a fluke. With training camp, and a full season to develop the likes of Kreider and Miller, I like our chances next season...(im not giving up on this year) For the love of God even the Islanders made the playoffs. If that doesnt tell you this strike shortened year is a fluke I dont know what does,
Torts is not going anywhere. Rangers are still not a finished product. Pretty close especially with Staal and Clowe not in the lineup. Miller, Kreider, Fasth Linberg, St Croix, we have some good youth infusion coming. The biggest thing we will need is a PP QB with a shot, and Richards contract is a nightmare especially when he is not producing. Tell me how the hell do you expect a coach to advance in the playoffs when your #1 center (or supposed #1) is lost and not even contributing. The fact he got us this far under these circumstances is remarkable. Did we forget we came back from 0-2 and 3-2 and demolished a good Caps team on the road in game7 just last week? Heck I will be disappointed as much as everyone if we lose, but this team is not dead yet and will be around for a long time. Richards needs to be bought out, maybe give him one more run, but regardless he needs to go.
The obvious place to start is with his small and unsuccessful staff - that's right i'm talking about you mr Sullivan. Is it a package deal? Too Bad! Time to move on. We need a fresh look on special teams. If Torts still has the room clearly Sully does not.
Here's the thing to remember when we talk about Torts "taking" this team to the ECF's last season - Since the lockout, no team who lost in the ECF's has made it made it past the ECF's with the same coach. I believe Laviolette, in Philly, is the only ECF losing coach who still has his job. Losing the ECF's isn't a stepping stone, according to the numbers. It's the end of road for most coach's. Keeping a coach because the team went to the ECF's is only putting off the inevitable.
He should absolutely be fired... the powerplay is atrocious and has been since he has got here.. last year they only made it where they did bc of lundqvist.. they had to take the 7 and 8 seed to a 7th game and lost to the 6th seed where tortorella was completely outcoached... we only beat the capitals this year because lundqvist didnt let in any goals in game 6 and 7.. we only made the playoffs this year because our last 10 games happened to be against the worst in the east... our offense is brutal.. lundqvist had a shutout at the end of game 2 of round 1 and we still lost.. he treats the players like kids.. he has no ability to adjust with the exception of changing the lines which does not work.. our best game of this season was clowe's brassard's and moore's first night which is a weird coincidence because they were never coached by big john.. it amazes me how nobody in the media comments on rangers offensive strategy.. just throw the puck up and tip it in and chase after it.. when do the rangers carry it in to the zone.. the spacing is terrible they play in the offensive zone in the little corner or have three guys behind the net chasing a puck... his coaching has nothing to do with outcomes.. he has one of the if not the best goalie in the game.. and has had two max and three at times on his roster
Also heard rumblings that Sullivan is a top choice by BU (or is it BC?) for their open head coaching job. Apologies if that was on this blog and I don't remember. Could leave an opening for a PP specialist.
I said if he missed the playoffs, he'd be on thin ice for next season but advancing to the 2nd round has him as a lock for about 20ish games ( abot 1/4 of the season). After that, if they are still underachieving, I think he goes. It's still enough time left in the season to salvage it but I think there's no chance he is fired prior to that given their playoff "success".
I wonder though, would Sather consider hiring another assistant coach in the off season to take over the PP? Someone who is a specialist in that area. I know it would bruise Torts' ego big time but maybe he/we need that? I don't recall it being done really so I don't know how realistic that is.
Although I wish he would be fired, I do not think he will be -- even if the Rangers lose this series 4-0. But I do think he would be on thin ice, so to speak, and could be canned early next season if there is another slow start.
Although you cant lay all the blame on Torts I'd like to see if bringing in someone new would help bring a different perspective on the Rangers playing skills. Especially their PP which sucks
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. *NOW* the reason people think Torts is in danger of being (and/or should be) fired is because he said "goddamn" on televsion?
Are you kidding me with this crap?
Seriously of all the asinine things I've heard, this is by far the dumbest. BY FAR.
Hockey isn't a G-rated sport, kids. Quick dropped multiple F-bombs after he won the Cup. King Henrik the Gentleman dropped an F-bomb when he won the Vezina.
And has anyone been watching network TV lately? Even network TV isn't network TV anymore. And I won't even get into what's on basic cable.
If you don't like Torts, fine. Just say "I don't like him and I wish didn't coach my favorite team." But please - "he swore on TV! GASP!" Stop it.
I think a majority of the fustrations with Torts would be alleviated by hiring an additional coach or hiring a new assistant coach for the PP. Torts obviously does not care about the PP, Sullivan obviously cares about it but is terrible at it, we need a third person who cares and has a track record of being successful with the PP
Fire his butt regardless of whether they advance or not. I'm sure he firmly believes he wins games and his players lose them. Quite frankly, I think he's a piece of Sh........t!
He only gets fird if he is on the outs w-Dolan. Like all CEO's in over their head Dolan requires one thing above all others...loyakty to him. I can see Torts telling him or people who he repors to "Your an idiot & so are your policies". That will get him fired. I don't thi k a 2nd rd loss will.
This sounds like the media stirring the shit cause they hate him.
I think Torts will/should get at least one more year with full training camp and all the new guys even if eliminated by Bs. The only thing I will say is that for whatever reason, the Hagelin comment really irked me. Maybe it was motivational, but not sure why you would throw that guy under the bus. He is young, plays hard and does not seem like the type that needs tough love. I can live with Torts giving crap to the media in that it helps creates the "us against the world" mindset, but his comments about Hagelin just seemed b*tchy to me.
He get's fired only if George Steinbrenner comes back to life and buys out the Dolans because he had an epiphany in the after-life that now makes him a whole-hearted hockey fan!
Seriously! The guy went to the ECF with a 40-goal scorer that couldn't shoot, no he goes back to the semis with a 40-goal scorer that can't score and a top line center that's has to play on the 4th line, after a 48-game season with no camp, and what, he's expected to win the Cup or get fired. Everyone keeps bringing up that they brought in Nash to address the scoring. Well, they also got rid of Gaborik to address the grit they lost in the off-season, so basically it's a wash and they are right back where they started last year. I'm sure Sather knows what it looks like when a coach is not the right fit. I don't think he sees that at this point with Torts. Now if the team doesn't get past the Bruins and regresses next year (i.e. early playoff exit) I absolutely think he's on the hot seat
Honestly, I like Torts. Last year was the best season weve had in a long time and i honestly think if we had a training camp, Richards not playing garbage and Gaborik playing well in the beginning wed have a big chance at the cup.
He definitely deserves at least another year, if were gonna give Richards another chance, we should give Torts one too.
I'll say here what I've said on a few other blogs that posted this story -- I've changed my mind on this subject. Like you, I've held fast to the belief that there's no way Torts gets fired after this season -- even if they didn't make the playoffs, for all the reasons you mention. But now I think it could be a possibility, and a loss to Boston would be the excuse to do so. Here's why: Torts' act is definitely not loved by management, especially James Dolan. (I believe Slats is still firmly in his corner.) I go back to the public slap down Torts gave to Dolan last year when the owner said we were "real close" to winning the Cup (calling it "BS"), and I have to think that cursing on national TV (again) is not going down so well either. Plus there was the recent Sam Rosen thing. I'm not saying it's the right move (I don't think it is -- I'd give him one more year, at least), but I do think it's a possibility. Frankly, this would bother me more than not trying to plug our remaining gaps over the summer. Getting the right guy in the coach's seat is tricky, and I don't see any great obvious replacement choices at the moment.
That's why I believe Tort's should stay(The coach who brought the Rangers to the ECF since 1997).If so then who are we going to replace him with ?
It will push him much closer to the block however. He has every player he needs to win. Coaching has to be the blame at some point.
Agree Torts will not be fired this year, but we've soon seen the last of Richie in a NYR uniform. He WILL be bought out this year. Despite slight edge on financials to wait a year, NYR could use cap space in the market this year, can afford to take the $6mil hit for waiting to buyout next year, without risk that Richie gets injured and then they're screwed on buyout. Inside word in NYR org is that Torts' bromance with Richie over. Buyout consideration has already commenced.
Why not? They would have had a worse season than last year and at some point the players will rebel against Torts' style. If they make the ECF then he should stay. If not, get someone new.
Where there is smoke ther is fire, I'm sure the players or at least some of them would'nt mind him being let go. I know I would be estatic!
he should be. anytime a coach throws players under the bus like he did hags and tells his best d man to stfu regarding a friend and a teammate that means that man has no class and respect. and for apiece of shit who preaches accountability how about he says HE stinks caoching the PP instead of hags. keep holding on to one ECF trip fans..thats a great measure of success. surrounded by yrs of failure and first round exits 3-1 choke jobs, and avery agendas. fuck torts
Darren Dreger should shut his pie hole.
Anyone in any job in any industry could be fired at any time, should their employer wish to do so. But considering the Rangers had their best start in over a decade and were ONE GAME short of making the Stanley Cup finals last season, it's beyond laughable to say that Torts should be fired.
Also, this has been a shortened bizarro season, and we shouldn't read too much into Chicago winning their first 600 games (which I'm sure had nothing to do with the fact that they had almost the exact team as last season... and that team just happens to be full of amazing f-ing players), nor should we read too much into the Rangers having an utterly underwhelming season (despite being every fantasy player's, uh, fantasy in theory, on paper).
I mean, is Dreger lobbying for Torts to be fired because he thinks he'll get the call? What other quality coaches are on the market for whom the Rangers would dump Torts? I love Lindy, but I'm not sure he's a good fit for the Rangers. And that leaves... uh, whats-his-name that Dallas just fired? Yeah, sure.
Go home, Darren, you're drunk.
Funny blah blah blah from Dreger. Anyone can coach when things are going well. Tortorella has shown he's got the talent and fortitude to right the team when things are not going well. Great coach. Plus, these comments are meaningless without bringing in the Dolan factor.
@Lordstanleybroadway I don't like Torts for reasons I've stated over and over again here but you're right - It's not his fault that certain players were not prepared. Given his success he will get another chance next year and hey, season ain't over yet.
@queensbee I think he also had a wardrobe malfunction in a presser, that could be the reason too.
@dsclaw88 Torts has been firm that he wants only himself and Sully coaching the team. Another assistant coach isn't going to happen.
@rangermom Why do u say he is not loved by Dolan? I haven't seen anything to that effect, thougfh I could see that being the case cause Torts is the type of guy to stick his thumb in mgt eye just for the hell of it.
@KingHenrikRocks How does an injury effect a buyout?
@DimensionRanger Good point on the Dolans, who are loyal to a fault.
@gravey94 The nip slip was just to fluster Pierre. ;)
@ThrSage @rangermom Just speculation. Read Torts' comments on the subject. He just doesn't give a crap what management thinks of him. Dolan has a big ego, as do all CEOs. I'm sure he didn't like being smacked by Torts last year, and I believe that he hasn't forgotten that disrespect. The thing that will keep Torts on, though, is that no CEO likes to be told what to do. So if the media is screaming that Torts should be fired, he won't do it -- at least not immediately. But I can easily envision an early exit next year unless the boys tear it up from the get go.