...so Torts, tell us how you really feel. Although, nothing he said wasn't true. They did suck last night. Hate to have been in the Rangers locker room after that one.
...and what's with Torts being short with Sam? Not cool.
Here's the players...
...looked like the buzz word from the players after this one was consistency and how this team lacks any. It's been one step forward then one step right back with the Rangers all season. Just when you think they've figured it out, they come out with a stinker against a team they should pummel. Very frustrating.
...and the eighth place Rangers (28 points) better figure it out soon because the next two games vs. the ninth plave Jets (28 points) and the seventh place Devils (29 points) are huge.
I like Torts as our coach for the most part but honestly John do you think breaking up your best line helped? Or benching a player for taking a penalty when the ref made a questionable call?? Or benching Gilroy for 1 or 2 bad plays. I'm not making excuses. They were pathetic and Torts comments were apropos for the stupid retorical questions but half these guys don't know whether to sh*t or go blind. You make a questionable play and you might sit, or you might get moved to the 1st line. Obviously I'm not an expert and don't know what goes on behind the scenes but it seems like his reactionary style void of forethought behind the bench and his constant line shuffles hurts the team. When he's at his best he gets the most out of his players but I'd like to see consistency.. From playing as a kid I know that Torts style of coaching confuses you, tightens you up and you don't play instinctive hockey anymore and this is a lightning fast game. you cannot think. You don't have time to think, it's a game of flow and instinct but if you don't know if your coach is going to bench you or not for a single mistake you tighten up, over think it and lose the magic. They're professionals but they're still human..
For what it's worth, Sam should know better by now than to ask Tortorella about 'the other team'. In the seconds after Sam asked that question it almost looked like Torts felt bad over what was about to happen!
Also I like how Tortorella puts so much heart into his job that he can't contain himself! However it would be stupid not to hold him accountable for some of the failures we've been witnessing in the ice. The Rangers are often playing too 'safe' and waiting for mistakes. See Friday vs Ottawa. NYR will never be consistent if that's the game plan.
If I were Sam Rosen, I would absolutely refuse to take part in these post-game scrums. He's the play-by-play announcer, not a reporter. He's way too classy to let a jerk like Tortarella talk to him like that.
i havent read all the comments here but if you think Torts was any way wrong for feeling the way he did you and I are on a completely different page.. in fact, i think he he handled himself way better than i would have.. hes completely right, Enroth is HORRIBLE and we made him look like Hasek back there.. the Sabres are HORRIBLE and if you didnt know any better youd think they were the better team all season.. this better be the turning point cuz if its not, a lot of people are gunna be on the hot seat.. the players need to be held accountable for this, Torts can only say so much, the players need to get out on the ice and go to war
How is it that other than last year, EVERY YEAR we have to have this "blow up the team" discussion. It's getting really old.
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG Is this the only NY team you follow...LOL! If it wasn't that way, Mike Francesser and wouldn't have a job and Joe Beningo would still be calling in to shows instead of running his own!
I know it would be weird but if it came down to it, would anyone be okay with trading Gaborik for Parentau and Mitchell?
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG How bout just a Cally Richards and Gaborik meeting.... think that would be a wise thing
I do agree with the Torts starting to "crack" comment. He must hate this inconsistency his players show. I almost feel that from his coaching perspective he would rather consistently lose every night with his players playing hard so he knows what they have to work on. But to see guys coasting through it one night, and the next playing hard is not what he wants... at all
If this does't wake up the team, or at least Gaborik and Richards then I say get rid of them both. I have always been saying buyout Richards, and that is not going to change because of one decent goal and another completely meaningless one. For Gaborik I want him to stay, but if he doesn't get fired up after his coach tearing him a new one like this, then he can make sure the door doesnt hit him on the way out
I didn't think Torts was especially hard on Sam, he did show us how he felt though ... he was mad at his team and nobody else
um, Torts, the reason you have to answer these questions is that you are the coach and it's your job.
Perry or Iginla for Gaborik?... Hmm.. I'm listening. Perry long term and better fit for sure, Iggy always loved him but age is a factor but definitely has a few years left in him.
@nyrfan1994 Iginla for Gabby in a heartbeat! I wouldn't be surprised if Sather bought out Richards over the summer and used the money to sign Perry instead, if it came to that.
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@slapshot13j you can't trade Gabby for depth. It's gotta be for a scorer just because of the potential goals from Gabby that we would lose.
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG @slapshot13j I thought about it, and this is exactly the kind of trade we don't need. We are getting a superstar, but losing depth and getting none in return... The sad truth is that Boyle would have to be replaced by Bickel, unless Kreider was brought back up because of this
@nyrfan1994 I like Perry but unfortunately Gabby alone won't be enough
I also feel that Hamrlik, although not in game shape, is still a better alternative than Gilroy. They acquired him but don't play him. It's a shortened season, but Torts needs to adjust a bit here.
As much as I like Gaborik, the guy needs a change. He is not responding to Torts any longer because he is not the kind of player that torts can coach. I'd actually move gaborik for perry(unlikely that move is made but what can help that is the fact that the ducks will lose him during the offseason for nothing) or even Iginla. I'd definately take that as well. Iginla is 35, but has a few good years left I'm sure. He's only 3 years older than Gaborik and I'd be he'd fit in with the system in NY.
1) I like how Tortorella is emotionally invested in the team and gets pissed when they lose. Honestly, it was starting to get to me earlier in the season when they were playing like crap and Tortorella just looked defeated and at a loss. Now he's back to being good ol' pissed off Torts. After such a shit performance last night, I was as mad as he was. Call him unprofessional, but I personally don't mind seeing a coach without a censor sometimes. It's refreshing, it's not the usual rehearsed BS. I think saying he's unprofessional is really just an excuse people have to bitch about him when we're losing.
2) As others have mentioned, I think the accountability for tonight's game is all on the players. Especially our top players, who were out there for every goal. Just overall awful game.
3) Sam Rosen's gotta ask some better questions if he doesn't want to get snapped at by Torts after an awful game.
LMAO love this line by AveryYesBettmanNo. "That's why you need to buy EA NHL 13 and win the Cup on your own".
I'm not a huge Torts fan but he said what everyone who follows this team was (or should be) thinking. I agree that he isn't blameless in all of this. Torts main weakness is his constant line juggling and poor ice time management - especially with the D-men. However, at what point do you start blaming the players who don't perform at the level they are supposed to? Blaming Torts for Gaborik not performing is silly. Gaborik is an adult. He's a professional athlete. If he has a confidence problem because Nash is here now or because a coach criticizes him, then he should quit hockey. Poor (highly paid) baby. Same for Richards. Don't get me wrong - I don't advocate knee jerk reactions like firings and trades. We need a Richards and a Gaborik and a Nash. Having those 3 guys on a roster is a luxury. Even Boyle has his benefits on faceoffs. (too bad he doesn't know where the opponents net is) The sad fact is we have players of every skill level NOT performing on this team. Usually the coach gets all the blame but c'mon peeps Torts isn't on the ice. And the power play has been mysteriously woeful for years - even before Torts came back.
This isn't anger over one loss. It's anger over a season of let downs when it was supposed to be a step forward. It's anger over a roster that should be performing a lot better. That's sports - I know. Maybe they can turn it around - but I'm not counting on it. There's too many GOOD teams out there performing as they should.
Ranger fans have been through this forever - but we don't have to like it. That's why you need to buy EA NHL 13 and win the Cup on your own.
Oh and show some respect to SAM ROSEN dammit!
When reporters, including Sam, stop asking stupid redundant questions, then I'll have sympathy for them. Torts was absolutely right, the team sucked, noting more to say. They want to pick it apart, there was no flow and the top players were on the bench in the 2nd because they took too many stupid friggin' penalties. Blame Torts all you want, but he had this team rolling winning 5 of 6, gave them a rest and they re-paid him by not showing up. Torts is the coach, he can only guide them, it's up to the players to actually perform. The Rangers handed Buffalo that game on a silver platter. Next to Cally, Stepan, and Hank, NOBODY showed up last night. A big problem I have is why in every player interview, not one of them shows any type of fire or anger. The only one that comes close is Hank, but he always just looks fed up after a loss. Just once I'd like to see Cally stop being Mr. PC and call out his teammates or show some sign of being pissed off. Obviously 1 loss is not the end of the world, but they need to get points from the games on hand they have, especially against wounded teams like this. OK, rant over, onto the next win on Thursday!
He's absolutely right. Buffalo was ripe to be beaten and very few players played up to their ability. He was disgusted and should be. Should he be making excuses and saying Buffalo played great? The season is half over and they are barely eligible to make the playoffs. They should be battling for first, not eighth.
Has anyone ever heard this genius coach state as other coach have, that mayb ehe didn't have the team prepare? No Never, it's never him it's always the other guys! What has he done to improve the PP, okay just recently they started to score but the last 3 years they have gotten progressively worse. THe guy is the most unprofessional coach I have ever seen and bottomline he isn't that good! And top of that he now has totally runined Gabby, he will never be the same again as long as he is on this team with this coach. But I guarentee if he goes at the trade deadline he will become a prolific scorer again. Right now Tortorella has rcompletely runined his confidence!
@johnpal Gaborik has just gone back to playing perimeter hockey. He won't play the boards or take a hit anymore. These are things every good hockey player should be able to do, whatever system or coach it is. Gaborik is either injured or needs a kick in the ass.
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@kicker75 @johnpal Poor Marion Gaborik, making 7+ mil a year. Don't like playing for Torts? Tough, you're a pro athlete. Make it happen. Don't glide into a puck battle that happened 10 seconds ago and flail your stick out, hoping no one touches you. If you're shoulder isn't 100% then tell the staff and get the f out of the lineup. If you're healthy then stop playing like it's a non-contact beer league game.
@johnpal No it doesn't dictate how a player performs. But you better be busting your ass every shift when you make that kind of money. There are ALWAYS higher expectations with players who make more money. And there should be. And in a market like NYC? Yeah if you're making that kind of money you better perform. That doesn't mean you can't struggle. Everyone's gonna struggle.
However, Gabby doesn't play hard every shift. He does NOT battle in the corners. I don't care what kind of player you are. Even Sidney Crysby gets in the corner and battles. Malkin does it. Stamkos does it. It does not mean you have to grind and throw your body around. It means you have to skate hard and battle for pucks. Gaborik is not battling for pucks. He is not willing to take a hit to move the puck. Forget about Torts system, which may not be perfect for Gabby. But battling for pucks is something EVERY hockey player has to do.
Since when does the size of the paycheck dictate how a player playes. I guess based upon that Eli Manning needs to pass and then catch his own passes. David Wright needs to play 3rd and short and Lebron James needs to be point guard , power forward and center all at the same time. Some athletes are not cut out to play the way a coach wants them to play especially if they have been successful at a completlry differnet style of play. Th epayceck has no bearing on anything except in th efans eyes.
this "i dont give the other team any credit" crap has got to stop. he looks like such a sore loser! how about you take it out on the right people torts, not sam and the other reporters. they can only report on what your team gives them. its their job to report whether it was a good game or a bad one. grow up and bag skate the legs off of these losers! im tired of this organization wasting opportunities! they have probably one of the top 3 teams on paper! WHY CANT WE BE CONSISTENT!?
They should make the skates open to the public. Like in other sports. I'd show up and chastise these 'hockey players'. They were brought to New York City to perform a contracted job. They should show professionalism and do right by their agreement. Please live out your rich playboy fantasy at some other time!
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG -- it doesn't hurt to give the other team credit, but i don't think he looks like a sore loser, i just think he wants to focus on his team and talk about them, not the other team ... sometimes i think these performances for the reporters are more for the team than anything
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Sam doesn't deserve that kind of treatment. We've been hearing the same excuses all season about how they have to figure it out, blah, blah, blah. This game goes back to how they played the year they lost to Philly the last game of the season in shootout to NOT make the playoffs. To me that in itself is a MAJOR step backwards. You can't expect Nash to carry this team each and every game. Where in the hell is Gaborik?????? This guy has just become a major disappointment. Can you saY AMNESTY BUYOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If i were Sam Rosen , I wouldn't show up next time to interview Torts during pre-game show. Hope he apologized to Sam. The guy is a professional just doing his job.