Source Confirms Rangers Interest in Boyle
Katie Strang at ESPN.com reports that a source confirmed the Rangers have interest in San Jose Sharks defenseman Dan Boyle.
Boyle's $6.66 million annual cap hit runs through next season, but Strang's source indicated that the Rangers are not opposed to adding a player with years remaining on his contract if he’s a good fit.
Boyle has a limited no-trade clause, but Strang says it is not immediately clear whether the Rangers are on the list of eight teams to which he would not accept a trade.
Strang adds it is believed that San Jose wants to add some youth to its lineup without a complete overhaul.
...for Boyle to fit under the cap, the Rangers would need to send a big money contract back the other way and with Richards' contract running until 2020, I'd say the most likely candidate San Jose bound would be Gaborik.
...while I wouldn't make this trade for Gaborik, if Sather somehow used his Jedi mind trick to convince San Jose to take Richards & his massive contract back, I might think about it.
...and here's my conspiracy theory trade proposal. I found it very odd that the Rangers recalled Kreider a day after Torts said he still had things to work on with the Whale. While I have no explanation for how the Rangers would fit Boyle under the cap, I wonder if they recalled Kreider to showcase him for the Sharks front office. If they like what they see, they'll pull the trigger, if not then Kreider remains a Ranger. If this ridiculous scenario does play out, I will most likely shut down the blog.
...to Boyle himself, I think he'd be a great acquisition for the Rangers and welcome addition to their struggling power play. Having said that, I don't see how any trade involving Boyle gets done. The Rangers need to open up space to bring in Boyle and the Sharks are looking to add youth and clear cap space. Not sure how the Rangers sending Gaborik or Richards the other way fullfills either of those needs.
Meanwhile, Rangers Assistant GM Jeff Gorton gives us the Rangers strategy going into the April 3rd trade deadline...
AGM Jeff Gorton says Rangers will be aggressive in trade talks: "We're always trying to get something that's going to put us over the top."
— Craig Custance (@CraigCustance) March 20, 2013
...this quote seems like more than it is. Every team fighting for a playoff spot will be aggressive in trade talks at the deadline. If they're not, their GM should be fired.
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Back in the day, a few years after the Rangers had made their Cup run in '72 they traded a young talent, Rick Middleton for a washed up Ken Hodge. Middleton went on to score over 400 goals, Hodge played 1 more season and retired. That trade alone helped bury the Rangers for years to come. If they tempt fate and trade Kreider (also after a near Cup run) for an older player with a year or two left they will be going down the same path. This Ranger squad has too many flaws to be considered a Cup challenger this year. They tore the heart and talent of the 3rd and 4th line players of last year and thought they were easily replaceable. They should have kept Prust and Mitchell and paid them. What did we get for Halpern's 'production?'- 1 assist? More importantly they lost their heart. Brian Boyle also seems lost without Prust, so that's a double hit. When players are proud to wear the sweater and bleed Ranger blue you hold on to them. Sather forgot the value of that.
I doubt Gaborik gets resigned after next year so you can move him now or he walks after next year because you will get little in return next year as a rental. As for Richards he is 32 now and has past his prime with the cap coming down and his salary cap hit at 6.66 for the next 7 years I will be surprised if the Rangers do not buy him out.
JoeSmith hit the nail on the head. hes 36, nuff said. please stop writing these blog posts to get me more into reading your website than i already was...checking it once a day is enough. you guys are good
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dan boyle is awful. im a die-hard ranger fan, live in san jose, and my wife forces me to watch this shit-stain of a hockey team. nice color scheme, guys (naaat). anyway, he is awful, they dont like him out here, he over plays the puck all the time, and hes not the player he was. trading talents like gab or rich is blasphemy. if they traded a young talent like kreider id consider becoming a devils or flyers fan. ridiculous...
How 'bout a Boyle for a Boyle???
Seriously D.Boyle was a great player and can still add something to our roster but to trade our 31 yr. old 40 goal scorer who's funk this year could merely be the result of coming off major shoulder surgery for a 36 yr.old Dman makes absolutely no sense - even trading the slumping Richards, who I'm sure SJ has no interest in anyway would be a poor move IMHO. Anything else would jeopardize the cap so can't see how this will get done. It seems to me that our management is looking more for sustainable young talent rather than a quick fix so I'd be very surprised if a deal like that went through. I could see them going for a rental if the price is right but given that we are still a building team without a 1st round pick this year if we must move Gabby (which as a loyal fan I'm so against doing ) at least get some up and coming talent for this world class sniper.
This kind of stuff drives me nuts. If the Rangers would learn to screen the goalie on the PP, like Callahan, they would score more even if everyone had a lame slapshot like me. Even shots with moderate pace will find their way into the back of the net if the goalie is screened. Further, even if we got a flamethrower, he'd probably end of hitting one of our guys and we'd be no better off.
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He's 36 years old! The last thing we need is to do is to tie up cap money in another player at the end of his career.
I'm really just plugging my ears at this point to trade rumors. I really just want the team to finish the year. It's been 30 games.
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I can see them shipping off Kreider in the deal if it includes Couture and or Pavelski. I think a lot of good points have been made about the probable reason this trade has not been made. Trading Gabby AND Kreider for a handfull of older players just wont work for the Rangers.. and SJ would probably never deal Couture or Pavelski right now. I doubt this comes to fruition simply due to the other players that would be involved in the deal. Just not a match. Let's end these rumors. Gabby is staying in NY. I hope.
@SA24 Doug Wilson would not even consider shipping Logan Couture unless you gave him the sun moon and stars.
Stop panicing.............. Haley had to be sent down because of the amount of games played. One more game with the big club and he'd have to clear waivers to be sent down in the future. So they needed to fill the roster spot and Krieder is the best option.
Yeah ... Let's trade a 21 year old, 6"3 player with huge potential who can skate like the wind and hasn't even played HALF a season in the NHL for a 36 year Dman for the sole purpose of running the power play. Organizations that make trades like this usually find themselves firing GMs and coaches shortly after for setting their team back years. Enough with the trade Richards stuff also. Listen, is he earning his $$$? No! But his track record speaks for itself. Let the guy play out the season before you going trading him. If after this season it's determined he's in decine then trade him. If you can't trade him, amnesty him. Forget about trading Gabby as well. Think of this before you go trading him .... Let's say Kreider starts pumping home some goals and playing with an edge. We now go from a 2 line team to a legit 3 line team whether it's Gabby or Kreider playing on the 3rd line. I honestly believe, in my most humble opinion, is that Miller is best as a playmaker who will score 20-25 goals a year. This team would be so much deeper if they let him center the 3rd line and put either Kreider or Gabby on his wing. Boyle and Halpern are non-playmaking 4th line centers and if I had to choose one, I pick Halpern. Thoughts?
@TruBluEsp Excellent post. Halpern has more speed than Boyle and has some offensive skills.
Boyle for Gaborik would be the most even exchange in talent (waning on both ends) and money. My worry is that I don't think it ends there, as SJ is looking to get younger. I agree, the Krieder infusion is curious, and for a reason. We better be getting back both Clowe and Murray with that deal. Anything involving Joe Thorton would have to involve one of our big contracts going their way, and the only one left is Richards, which I can't imagine SJ wants.
"If this ridiculous scenario does play out, I will most likely shut down the blog." Hyperbole and all, I still wouldn't blame you if this happened.
There are 29 teams in the league that are interested in Dan Boyle. This is not news. Move along.
@cb1 Dan Boyle has seen better days. There are NOT 29 other teams interested in Dan Boyle at $6.6M for another year. Obviously, you do not watch alot of hockey.
@MikeBlue sure, no one wants a defensemen who routinely scores 50+ a year and who has won both a stanley cup and an olympic gold medal. obviously.
@MikeBlue @TruBluEsp Over the hill or not, Boyle is a top 4 D on every team in this league, if not top 2. But I agree, his price tag is prohibitive and most teams wouldn't take on that salary if not giving back a lot of $ in return, which is why Gaborik would have to be included going back the other way.
You're new here Mike, but I've been posting on this blog pretty much since it started. The regulars here all get a long even when we argue and aren't jerks to each other. I'd hope it stays that way.
@MikeBlue @TruBluEsp no, i actually meant 50 goals. I don't know anything about hockey and don't know the difference between points and goals. do you get a goal when you put the ball in the net? how many runs do you get for a field goal?
@TruBluEsp Probably right - but Boyle is not coveted at $6.6M with a cap reduction coming next yr.
Routinely scores 50+ goals a year!!!!! Ha! You know what - I don't like to criticize other's comments, as we all may learn something from them. But you should get off this site as you know NOTHING about hockey and just throw out figures that have no facts attached. Boyle has scored 4 goals this year, is on pace to score 8 in an 80 game scedule, has NEVER scored more than 20, and is in rapid decline! Do some homework before you post!
I simply have no interest in Dan Boyle. Our PP is fine with DZ really picking up his offensive play, and Boyle doesn't want to leave either, that alone I don't want him. I still stand by trading Gabby for Clowe and Murray.
@Beckfan5 I said that he's been doing better, and HOPE that'll carry over to the PP. As long as Richards isn't on the PP, it's fine.
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And by the way, was anyone so gung ho to trade Richards or Gaborik 30 games into last season? I don't think a 30 game sample is enough to show that a player is all of a sudden old and useless. Unless they get equal historical value back for either guy, I don't think they trade them.
Dan Boyle rumors are swirling again. Has it ever occurred to anyone maybe he doesn't wanna come to New York? Cause if he did, pretty sure with the amount of rumors over the years he'd already be here.
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We are not trading Kreider for Boyle or anyone like that. Its the opposite. We are looking to see if Kreider can give us some goals so we can trade Gabby.
In the Cap era you do not trade young innexpensive guys for older high priced guys. As Kevin said in his post the trade doesn't work from a financial standpoint. Kreider makes what 1-m a year? Boyle makes 6-m a year. It doesn't add up.
Now maybe a Boyle & Jumbo Joe Thornton for Kreider Gabby deal might be in the works.Though again I don't know if the salaries fit. I belive Thornton is on his last year of his contract. There were rumours last year that the rangers were interested in pairing Nash & Thortnon together cause they were so good in the Olympics or something.
Forget Kreider for Boyle it ain't happening.
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I may be the only one feeling this way, and I have a hard time believing that I'm actually feeling this way myself, but I trust that Sather will not make a bad trade. I don't remember any trades that he's made that turned out to be bad for the Rangers, but I know of a bunch that were Ranger wins and gave them draft picks that turned into wins (Jagr, Prust, McDonagh, Boyle, Powe, Nash as players...Cally, Dubi, Staal, Fast, Fogarty, McColgan, and Lindberg as picks). I really have a hard time believing that Sather would trade a 40 goal scorer and one of the crown jewels of the organization for a 36 year old offensive defenseman. Gabby for Boyle straight up makes more sense (although I still wouldn't so it), but if the Rangers are adding youth to the deal then there would have to be some other NHL assets coming back. Let's hope Sather's trade prowess is not contained in his prostate!!
You are right . Slats re around the league is he is difficult to trade with. He always over values his guys and under values yours.
@gravey94 You aren't the only one feeling that way. I'm not worried either because I can't see Sather making a trade that would hurt the team in the short or long term.
We cannot win a Cup if we trade Richards. We don't have enough depth down the middle. We need him to be the "money" player he has been in the past in the playoffs. I think his days of 80-plus points a season are over but he can get on a run and be a point per game guy in the Playoffs. Think Neal Broten in 95 for the Devs. A guy who past his prime but got on a run and helped them win a Cup. As for showcasing Kreider. I think you got it backwards. i think they want to see if he can give them some goals so they can then trade Gabby for a defensmen & grit. Sort of like the Amonte for Matteau/Noonan. Remember that trade gave up a guy who though had a promising future he was giving us very little that year. Kind of like Gabby this year. Kovalev stepped up in th playoffs & gave us scoring so we didn't miss Amonte or Gartner. This is similar if we trade Gabby & Kreider steps up we have enough scoring. Then you add in the depth & hopefully a competent offensive defensman we added using Gabby as trade bait. Then maybe we win a cup.
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@ThrSage I would not hazitate to trade Richards but I would think twice before trading Gaborik. trade Richards for a bag of pucks and a roll of tape.He's not worth the 12 million he gets paid this year. Not even close.
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@scrangersfan @ThrSage Here's the thing with Richards - on the ice, yes he is a shell of what he used to be. (Although he scored two huge goals last year so there's still hope.) Off the ice, he has been a bigger asset then any of us could've imagined. Look at how well Stepan and Del Zotto are playing. Richards took them under his wing the minute he got here and its paid huge dividends. I agree his salary isn't worth that but I would think twice before getting rid of him because of it.
@Melissa (blknblueshirts) @scrangersfan
Very good points. I like Richards and I think he will come up big in the playoffs. I liked the signing. All I am saying is if you can improve the team I would trade him. However there are not alot of guys who are available who are better than him.
@ThrSage How about Stepan on the first line, Miller ond second, Boyle on the third and Halpin on the forth?
Agreed though Gabby might be seeing that decline that most goal scorers start seeing in their 30's.
I agree. I didn't mean to imply that was a good trade cause it wasn't. Gartner for Anderson was terrible. Unlike Matteau/Noonan Anderson gave us very little in 94. I still believe we beat Devs in 5 or 6 games if we had Gartner. If my memory serves me he was a Devil killer when he was w-us. We were 6 and 0 against the Devs during the regular season in 94 cause Gartner used to beat their trap w-speed thru the neutral zone. We only traded him cause crazy Keenan thought he was soft.
So I agree I miss Gartner who was a great player, good guy, & deserved better then the way Keenan treated him.
