Now that Alain Vigneault is all but the Rangers new head coach, what exactly are we getting? Jeff Klein at the New York Times gives us some insight...
"Going by his track record, Vigneault, 52, will stress offense and puck possession over forechecking, tolerate the mistakes of young players instead of bench them at the first missed assignment, and be a good communicator with his players instead of publicly insulting them."
...wow, talk about the anti-Torts. Sounds like the absolute polar opposite.
While Vigneault will bring a more wide open offensive style, Pat Leonard at the Daily News informs Rangers fans that they need not worry about him abandoning Henrik Lundqvist and the defense, as the main reason his Canucks teams were so successful was because of the defense-first foundation he installed. Here's Vigneault's former assistant in Vancouver Rick Bowness further explaining to the Daily News...
“You’ve got to let your players play, you’ve got to let them run, and at the same time you can command commitment to team defense, which we were able to do and then went to the Finals,” Bowness said.
“We never lost our focus on team ‘D’, but we certainly loosened the reins up and let them run a little bit as time went on.”
...opening up the offense, while maintaining a commitment to defense? Torts has been the Rangers coach for so long I almost thought that wasn't allowed. Talk is cheap, but I do have to say I like what I'm hearing and I'm sure the Rangers players do also.
Klein adds that the high point totals logged by defensemen Christian Ehrhoff and Bieksa under Vigneault must be encouraging for Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi and the other Rangers defensemen.
...i'd say no Rangers defensman should be more excited about this change than Del Zotto. It'll be his chance to prove it was Tortorella's system that stifled his offense and finally become the power play quarterback we all envisioned him to be. Having said that, this could be Del Zotto's final chance with the Rangers. If he continues to struggle in a system that'll allow him to run, then he may find himself on the block come trade deadline time.
Most people don't know why they like or don't like the new coach or the old coach. The sure don't know why they like this move because Torts Rangers were better by the numbers at the things like keeping lines together. Vineault does more line juggling than Torts. Vineault plays his top D pair more than Torts. Vineault used there top prospect the same way Torts treated Kreider. In Vancouver all they did was complain about how Jordan Shroeder was mis used and its AVs' fault. "He keeps sending him back and forth from the NHL to the AHL". Everyone thinks if not for Torts Kreider would be a star in this league by now. It's not so. Torts was protecting him from failure. The same as AV was trying to do to that kid in Van.
Torts Rangers were better than AV's Canucks at Puck Possession and got better over the last 3 years while AV and the Canucks got worse in the same time. This coach will be better at some things and worse at others. Give it time. Once the honeymoon is over and the season starts slow. They will see.
I hope he will play a true system, one which is fluid and adaptable rather than static and unyielding, which is required to be successful in the fastest sport on earth. So far he sounds good on paper.
This is still funny to me. When you look at the Rangers' history, both in management and in players, they typically don't go for the French/Francophone guys. Perhaps Vigneault is the change we need.
Blueshirts need this guy - especially if ulf is the assistant. This guy is good for one big hit a game. Get him before flyers or isles do! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pH5G3sfZ3Mg
I like to think that Vigneault will not simply try to impose his system, but strike a balance with the pieces he has to work with. There's a lot of ways a coach could go with this team, even if these Rangers don't appear to be the offensive juggernaut -- not that we ever would've known under Torts. If Vigneault's a let-players-play kind of coach, then I gotta believe he's smart enough to guide them to everybody's advantage. Isn't that the idea? Find the best way to win. I gotta think he has to understand these players and coach them accordingly. Ultimately, I think that's what never felt right with Torts. He wouldn't bend, too stiff. Play to your strengths. Vigneault has a chance to do that ... well, I think. I guess it's not official yet... Is he our new coach?
Thats all well and good but the Rangers, as currently constituted do not possess the skill level to play a puck possession game. any sustained pressure they create has been through the forecheck which has been more necessity than design.
Flyers sign Streit to a 4 year 22 million dollar deal.... They are going to have a 40 year old dman at almost 6 million a year HAHAHAHA classic flyers
Wow they gave the guy a 5 year 10 million dollar deal.... That is a huge contract, and a long investment in this guy!!!
I am not sure Tortarella will even be coaching this season as the Vancouver and Dallas blogs don't want him. Unless there is an opening for a below 500 team that wants to start anew. I can see him working as a commentator somewhere instead. As for Del Zero this could be his time to shit or get off the bowl. He probably has the most offensive upside of any of the D-men as most of them are all vanilla anyway. Not sold on McDonaugh's offensive game and Staal will be probably playing at 75 % rest of his career and Giradi? Yeeesh...... Was tired of that boring system of Torts - besides filling lanes, blocking shots and the d-men making stupid decisions to pinch, it was like this team lost it's disipline. I mean every team would come down 2 on 1, 3 on 2 or a semi breakaway about 10 times a game. Can't blame Lundquist if he got tired of that crap.
What are you talking about? A true system? What exactly would you say the Bruins play? I'll tell you they play pretty much the same game as the Rangers. In fact Torts hockey much more aggressive than Julien. He likes to trap all day. 1-4 trap means 4 guys are standing in the neutral zone and one player is forechecking. Torts is Safe is a Loss. You think he's defense first so he must not pay attention to offense then you're ignorant and don't know the game of hockey. If you look at the really complicated numbers. Torts teams were better at driving puck possession than AV and the Canucks and Vancouver got worse while the Rangers got better every year and last year were the best under Tortarella. The players just stop believing. The Way Torts played is the way the game is meant to be played. Simple as that. Safe is death. AV is going to have the guys standing around in the middle of the ice being very conservative. They will most likely try to hold the puck more and cycle in the offensive zone but that isn't the way this team has been built over the last 10 year. So don't go saying what a real style is because you don't know.
That might not be such a bad idea. He's a 6'2" 230lbs defenseman. As a 6-7-8th defenseman he might not be too bad. Only made a little over 1 mil and a 1 year deal. Perfect. I don't know the NYI or Philly might need D help. Be a good idea for Sather to look into. Tell him. Maybe he actually makes a good solid depth signing in free agency for a change. Good call. Mark Fistric people.
Trade Staal before he walks to Carolina with the rest of them.... And I'm 100% sure he will take less money to play in Carolina with his brothers.....
@AnnoyingJoe Excellent point. The Rangers are simply nowhere near as good as the Canucks. I don't expect us to have the regular season success they've enjoyed these last few years.
@AnnoyingJoe Hopefully we can get rid of players like Powe, Asham, and yes I am going to say it let girardi walk. Honestly Girardi will play his best hockey in a Tortorella system, I think he has a bad year this year. Also there is no excess money to waste on him, I think Mcilrath will have a better upside then him in 2014-2015. We can fill those bottom line guys in with Miller, Thomas, Lindberg, Fasth, St. Croix.... While you may see them as not the most talented guys or to young... they will bring a dimension to our team we have not had... 4 lines that can control the puck and score. Not to mention Boo Nieves in a couple years, and Brady Skjei.
I have a feeling I am about to take a lot of heat for saying let Girardi walk...
@Josh6 i remember a time when the Rangers would sign Dionnes and Lafleurs so have a little pity for flyer fans...
I don't care what a coach gets payed because it has nothing to do with the team and he can be fired. I love it cause he's the guy I wanted and we got him. BRING ON THE OFFENSE!!!
@stRangers fan John Moore? he has a lot of offensive upside
@stRangers fan 100% agree with all you said.
@stRangers fan Torts working for the media? I'd LOVE to see that! HA!
@NYRFan_RF1 My bad - the way I wrote that post no one would get where the hell I'm coming from - just quickly cause it's late I don't disagree with you on principle. In theory I like Torts' system. He came here promising an attacking style of play where good defense leads to good offense. No worries there. What I was trying to say by playing a "true system" is that by definition (or for a so called system to be true in my personal view of the universe) a "system" as applied to any game of strategy implies flexibility over rigidness and working with a set of conceptual guidelines rather than a set of strict mandates. It's different than "a style" in that regard and thus allows for the players to incorporate their individual styles into the mix. A good systems execution in hockey needs to be flexible and adaptable to deal with different opponents and different game situations. Hockey is too fast and flowing to worry about xs and os, or to even think for that matter. It's got to be intuitive, know your system like the back of your hand and then forget it and go out and just play and let your hockey instincts work their magic. There's an "inner dimension" in hockey, like life itself but it won't express itself to your advantage if you're too bogged down by your system, no matter how good it is. . If this is starting to sound like Star Wars, or Martial Arts to you your not far off at all. Torts is a good coach but he doesn't seem to get these intangibles which can separate a good coach from a great one. what I often refer to as "the 3rd dimension". As great as he and his system is I don't want a 2 dimensional coach here anymore. He did great for our club and carried us as far.as he could given his coaching style and our player personnel but now we need someone who can carry us further/. End of story as far as I'm concerned. Job well done. These are my opinions. Will Vign be that man to help guide us to the next level? Buddy, I ain't got a clue!
@Rangers3024 he slipped in warmups and took out lucic. Lucic fell right on chara's head.... it was hilarious
You might be the only other person I've seen that said that. I was thinking he may ask for that trade this summer by the fact he played one game and without problem and did not come back the rest of the playoffs. I have to think he wants to play in Carolina since his 3 brothers are all there. I'm sure they could get a good young player back for him. Hate to lose him but with the return it could better the team with say a skinner. Maybe they'd be willing to throw in Bobby Sanguinetti. We could get him back. Lol!
Girardi is signed through next season. Might as well let him finish his term and let him walk after next year. He has a lot of miles on him and a lot of blocked shots behind him. Next year he will be fine. He's always benefited from having great defensive partners. He's a good solid defenseman but when singled out or paired with lesser talent. He's been beat. He's a leader on this team and will do whatever it takes to win. After next year McIlrath might be ready to join the team. Till then the Rangers need Girardi to mix in the top 4 D and complete a shut down pair. Mac didnt shut out Ovie and Backstrom by himself.
I don't agree on Powe. He's a very good PKer and was 3rd in the NHL in blocked shots a year ago for the Wild. With Dorsett on the team, Asham is expendable but I don't know who would take him. Out of those Kids you mentioned. Only Miller and Lindberg are ready to step into an NHL roster. Lindberg may need time in AHL to get used to smaller rink but he's been a star in the SEL against pro talent and grown men. The problem with that is you need your checking lines to do some checking. To put out a 4th line of little Sweedish kids kind of defeats the purpose. Maybe Powe between Miller and Lindburg may work. Miller is a gritty 2 way Centerman that played wing better. Lindberg is also a Centerman but playing wing might make the transition to the North American Pro game easier like they did with Miller. There are more defensive responsibilities that come with playing Center.
Gotta have Girardi on board for depth purposes at least...so the rangers don't make panic moves and sign guys like Hammrlik. Can you ever have too many dependable defenseman?
@Josh6 @AnnoyingJoe Girardi....VERY unusual situation. Everyone knows he has been a stalwart on defense the last few years. He has been a beast - even more gutsy than Callahan. But, it is very unfortunate that all that he has given may indeed have devalued his future - if not now, then certainly in a year, or two. He is just not large enough to withstand the way he has played. So, you end up at a point where you have to decide if you want to give future years for past performance - and likely a level of performance that can't be sustained. Think A-Rod and just about every pitcher over 30 yrs old.
The tough thing is that he is exactly the kind of guy you root for; exactly what you want on your team. He is one of those tough calls emotionally. That said, for every person here who screams that he must be resigned I bet that every one of them would be screaming (or lamenting) about a long term contract were he not able to sustain.
@Josh6 @AnnoyingJoe damed right that you will get a lot of heat. Girardi is the Rangers best stay at home defansman and you want to trade him, come on Josh,what have you been drinking ? You are the last person I would expect to feel this way. We can not allow the best D. man to leave this team.We need someone to stop the other teams from assaulting Hank. You can never have enough good defense men if you want to win the cup.
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG I was mainly talking about the 5 years, but he can be fired in the second week if the Rangers want too... so like you said it doesnt matter
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG yeah thats Jimmy D's milk money.
@GiveGartneraCup torts did work in the media before he got picked up by the rangers. remember him bag mouthing avery just before he joined a team with avery on the roster?
You think DZ will be flourish in this NEW system? What system is that exactly? What is AV gonna do that will serve DZ better?
I don't think NYR should trade Girardi but he's not their best Dman. No way. Not with Mac and Staal on the team. He's the best Dman the NYR have to QB the PP. Hes got a lot of miles on him and I doubt they resign him after next year when his deal is up. He's a heart and soul guy and a leader on the team but with Moore emerging as a top 4 Dman and a few young cheaper prospects coming up the next few years. Unless he takes a big pay cut after next year to stay, I doubt the Rangers resign him in 2014.
Your thinking way to far ahead man. Let's wait until next season is underway and how everybody plays with the new coach and then return to this topic of who needs to go. This article is about what we have in Vingeault not who needs to go.
I dont think letting girardi go is best. The guy is a workhorse. Plus I hope to lord yanni( yes the musician) that i am wrong but it does not look good that staal will be 100 percent. But everyones different and he did say himself he thinks he will be able to play at the level he did before the injury.
@AnnoyingJoe @scrangersfan @Josh6 Also, he has the least offensive capability out of any of our Defensman (who have shown they can all play solid defense, besides DZ) which again makes him expendable, especially when he asks for 4.5+ per year next year, when we have to resign basically our entire team besides Nash
@AnnoyingJoe @scrangersfan @Josh6 I thought he had his worst season in awhile last year... He was exposed every game he did not play with Mac or Staal... And if it comes down to it based on how much less he will cost and his offensive capabilities, I would rather keep the 3 years younger Anton Stralman, and if DZ shows he can be stronger in this new system... him as well. Remember we also have Mcilrath and Skjei coming in soon, so the way I see it, G is expendable. I think it comes down to him verse DZ after this season. if DZ has a big season he is gone... unless of course the Rangers are trying to trade Staal as we speak because they feel he will never be back to 100 percent. BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT
@GiveGartneraCup Yea this is the way I was looking at it.... I think we only keep 3 of the four (Staal, Mac, Girardi and Stralman). Out of the four the first 2 are musts... If Staal is 100 percent he is our number 1 dman. Then we come to G and Stralman. While Girardi is hands down the better "defenseman", not only does Stralman have much better offensive capabilities he will come significantly cheaper. Also, if we keep 3 of those 4 we will be fine... Another person you may have to throw in there to make it 4 out of 5 is DZ. He is a dman I can see flourishing in this new system, so if he has a good year he stays to over Girardi in my mind. With a guy like Mcilrath coming up, G is expendable, not to mention we also have Moore and Skjei soon... so we have a plethora of dmen, and to me G is the most expendable based on how much he is going to make also...
JOSH! I understand where you're coming from. I think someone's going to have to go. And I put McD, a 100% Staal, dare I say (after this year's playoffs) Stralman, and in a year, maybe even Moore above Girardi. G was an absolute beast a few years ago. He would hit everything that moved and deck bigger players like Ovi and Lucic without blinking an eye. Lately, he seems slow, flat-fooded (He's constantly trying to pass when he's fully stopped in his own zone!!!!) and dare I say, soft... ? Deep down I hope he bounces back and becomes the bulldog we remember, but I worry his body has deteriorated too much. We'll see.