It's been almost a week since Alain Vigneault has been named head coach of the New York Rangers and a lot of you have been wondering what kind of style we're going to see from the Blueshirts under his leadership. Here's what Vigneault has said so far...
“I like my teams to play the right way, which is: If you’ve got room to make a play, make a play. If you’ve got space and time to carry the puck, carry the puck. If the other team’s got the gap on you or they’re playing you tight, then sometimes you’ve got to make the high percentage play and chip those pucks behind. But I really believe in playing the right way both offensively and defensively.”
...as opposed to Torts, whose game plan was if you've got room to make a play, get it deep and cycle. And under no circumstance is anyone allowed to go to the front of the net.
Vigneault also discussed the power play...
“Power play is X’s and O’s, but it’s also hard work. Because you know that the penalty-killers are going to work real hard. They’re shorthanded, they’re gonna go the extra mile to try and kill that penalty and give their team momentum. On the power play, hard work moving the puck, getting to loose pucks, getting to areas of the ice where you can outnumber the opposition is huge."
...moving the puck on the power play? Can't compute.
...i would have liked to have heard him stress shooting the puck, but I've got to think he just assumed that's a given on the power play, you know, for every team other than the Rangers.
Meanwhile, Elliotte Friedman at CBC Sports notes that Vigneault will continue to use his zone matching strategy of deploying the best scorers for offensive-zone draws and the best defenders to take faceoffs front of your net that worked so well in Vancouver...
"I prefer it that way," Vigneault said. "It's a great way to maximize the strength and potential of your lineup."
For more on AV's zone matching, click here.
...i don't get all the hullabaloo about Vigneault's zone matching. Don't most coaches normally have their best offensive players on the ice for offensive zone faceoffs and top defenders for defensive zone ones? I'm pretty sure Boyle took a hell of a lot more faceoffs in front of Lundqvist than the opponent's goaltender last year. Assuming Vigneault gets more credit for this because he takes it to extreme levels, which pretty much guarantees that Powe will go another season without scoring a point for the Rangers.
Finally, Larry Brooks at the New York Post says that last season AV was committed to a four-line philosophy in Vancouver, doling out between 12:35 and 19:20 of ice per game to a dozen forwards and he has never given as much as 20 minutes per to either Henrik or Daniel Sedin in their seven seasons together. Although neither killed penalties.
...Asham better get himself into good shape as the days of him playing three minutes a game will likely be over.
...another thing you are likely to see under AV is the Rangers go from a forechecking, pressure offense to a more puck possession one. And after watching the series against the Bruins, when the Rangers combined for one minute of puck possession in the five games, this would be a welcome change.
have liked to have heard him stress shooting the puck, but I've got to think he just assumed that's a given on the power play, you know, for every team other than the Rangers.- Is my favorite quote because there are some DREADFUL powerplays out there like Buffalo, Boston, Carolina, New Jersey. But for god sakes they at least TAKE SHOTS, and TRY TO GET IT TO THE NET. I swear NYR are the ONLY team I've seen that insists on passing 5948539408x times. It boggles my mind!!! and one minute of possession in the entire series? Wow. That's awful.
LOL Kevin - though I wasn't Torts' biggest fan here I must say in his defense that it's not his fault his players didn't drive to the front of the net. also forechecking is a great strategy but our team last year was not built to be successful at it and our coach should have recognized it if a 2-bit fan (who lives in the Catskills no less) did, which brings me to my main point of concern here. All this talk sounds well and good but i want a coach here who can adapt - one who can read the other team on a dime and counter appropriately. One who has a multitude of weapons in his arsenal to be used at appropriate moments and switched to meet his opponents changing strategies in a New York minute. Some teams trap, some pressure, some forecheck. You can't play each one the same way, and add to that many teams change their defensive and offensive profiles depending upon game situations. We need a coach who works his team hard, gets them in top shape and schools them in multiple strategies so that they may be competent in all areas and all possible strategies and all game scenarios including forechecking, carrying the puck, dump and run. counter attack - same on D (man to man, 4-1 trap, closing the gap, forecheck, back check etc.). As good a coach as Torts is this is why IMHO he is not a great coach. One size does not fit all. Speed. Adaptability, Presence of Mind...
Jesus. Really Mr. DeLury? You honestly think Torts was saying "Don't go to the net! Stay on the boards!" Or that he wanted them to cough up the puck and then just hit people? Torts wanted his team to have the puck and wanted his players to go to the net. Look at every critique's he's made after playoff losses. "We didn't have the puck enough" "We didn't play in their end enough" "We need more traffic in front of their goalie." Problem is last years team was not nearly good enough to win a cup. I fully buy that the team was fed up with Torts (almost scared of fucking up and therefore playing scared) and Sather had to fire him, but I won't for one minute agree that Torts just wanted his team to sit along the boards and have a conversation with the other team's best players.
Torts is gone, move on. The important thing is that AV emphasizes what this team sorely needs. Grit, Snarl and determination. Let's get that swagger back. Only big, cocky forwards, point there nose towards the net and dig in their skates.
The constant harping on Boyle borders on obsessive and paranoid. Boyle is not a bad player, and there are not that many NHL-ers who could match him for reach and strength. Has he always used those attributes well? No, he hasn't -but, with few exceptions, neither has any other Ranger player. I would like to see Boyle retained; on the other hand DMZ is expendable, in my opinion.
On a tangent - what is the status of Stralman? I hope he is recovering or has.
If we are talking about a puck possession team that makes one thing very clear to me. Cally has to be on the third line... It is where he belongs, he is not a top 6 forwards. Now I am not saying that line should get less time, they should still be seeing 17 minutes a night. I mean imagine if you had a 3rd line of Callahan-Lindberg-Hagelin... then your team has a chance to be dangerous
So here's nice little wrinkle for everyone. I;m not an expert in this so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. In order for a player to be bought out, they need to be first put on waivers. Players that have no trade clauses can refuse to be put on waivers. Guess who has a no trade clause? Discuss.
One of Powe/Asham/Pyatt will not be playing for the Rangers next year, and i hope its two of them...
Chicago's shopping Bolland. No idea what it would take, but I would do Boyle and a mid-level for him. Anyone?
I'm repeating myself but they don't have the talent over four lines to be a puck possession team. They've been a forechecking pressure team by necessity. Nash aside, this ain't a team of Jagrs
I think one of the biggest differences you are going to see if the use of personnel. Torts was definitely a guy who gave huge minutes to his "top" players and was more of a feel coach. AV seems like he spreads the wealth and is big into the stats, more of a cerebral coach. It will certainly be interesting to watch. It will also be interesting to see if the Sedin twins can handle 25+ minutes per game, since AV said he never did that to them.
I'm looking forward to watching a brand of hockey that puts the pressure on the other team. my butthole will not know what to do with itself now that it won't be clenched for 3 times a game night for 20 minutes at a time.
@genetics73 I'd like to see Boyle return to his 21 goal campaign style of game, which was playing at the lower hash marks in front and rifling his shot (he actually has a really good wrister and is good at deflecting the puck) I think Torts wanted him to grind more, muck it up in the corners, and for all his size, Boyle is not strong on his skates and thus I think trying to be a grinder actually diminished what he could bring to the table. Watch footage from his 21 goal year, and offensively, Boyle is quite different in where he is on the ice.
@genetics73 Agreed Boyle gets a bit of a bad rap, but I think at this point he's a lot more expendable than MDZ. Every team in the league is looking for a puck moving defenseman. MDZ drives me nuts on the defensive end, but he can definitely move the puck. Can Moore replace that? Possibly, but a 10 game sample isn't enough to know. They have to keep MDZ because there are no other offensive defensemen on the team right now. Boyle may flourish this year or he may just turn out to be what he is. If it's the latter, then he is very expendable.
Well what's it gonna be? Puck possession or forechecking? Cause Callahans game is predicated upon dumping it in and banging the shit out of the defender who goes and gets it. Hagelins more of a puck chaser too.
@gravey94I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere so maybe amnesty clause doesn't allow the player to block being put on waivers.
Another interesting twist would be if a team with a large amount of cap room (see the Islanders) claimed a guy like Lecavalier after Lightning put hiim on waivers. Contract still sucks but they get a pretty good player they wouldn't otherwise be able to get.
@AnnoyingJoe A lot of those people that were arrested it was a complete joke. Like one guy got arrested for cheating at craps, but later development showed that he just did not know how to play. Another guy that was arrested, was charged with simple battery, which was further detailed as touching a womans shoulder... Still yes the NFL and NBA are full of criminals...
@AnnoyingJoe Slow year for the NFL!
the sad thing is that some team will pay almost the full value of his current contract for him per year.
@SGrumet I definitely think the Rangers will show interest if Richards is bought out.
@Josh6 I'd like if all of them never played for us next year. All one dimensional. Unclear roles on the team. I like Pyatt but he's very slow and brings NO energy.
@Josh6 Though Asham was a surprise offensively, when he got to play.
I liked Powe, thought he was solid before he got his bell rung. Now Pyatt... Send the hunchback packing. sanctuary!
jeeze which one of those stiffs do we keep!? I wanna say Pyatt as a 4th/ 3rd liner? but then again no goal Powe is good on the PK. idk all of them are rough.
@gravey94 I would have thought Boyle could get a guy like Kane or Toews back from the Blackhawks.
@AnnoyingJoe Callahan needs to be on the third line for sure, in a puck possession offense...
@AnnoyingJoe I honestly don't know if we know that yet. Maybe spreading the ice time and not collapsing down low as much will let some guys break out a bit. I think the top 2 lines will be fine. The bottom 6 forwards are probably half and half on who can score, but we'll likely see some changes there before the season starts.
@gravey94 the "advanced statistics" thing is very interesting. AV knows when certain players play too many mins, or their shifts are too long, their returns are diminished. I mean, he even has it down to how much sleep allows a player to be most effective. It's all about numbers. I used to think "feel" was important, but after playing blackjack, I learned it's about the math and never about "feel". Sabremetrics works in baseball, predicting elections, and other fields. Probably works in hockey too as the numbers usually don't lie.
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG Yep. Things could start to get nuts. The players being bought out are going to be making some nice dime.
Powe had some wide open looks last year and couldn't convert. of slats can unload all of them I'd be forever in his debt. those 3 players didn't make much sense for this team under torts and make even less sense under Viggy.
That difference in ice time between AV and torts is something. And they were more effective two years ago rolling four lines at the opposing team
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG Sure, we'll give em' a package deal. 5 years $12M for the both of you, split it up as you see fit!