TSN reports that John Tortorella is expected to be named the Vancouver Canucks' new head coach.
Tortorella arrived at Vancouver International Airport yesterday amidst reports that he is about to be named the new Canucks coach.
The Canuck's organization would not confirm the report...
"John's certainly in the mix and very strong, so we're going to finish off the process the way we designed it initially and that shouldn't take us much longer," said CM Mike Gillis.
So how's the response been in Vancouver, I think this quote from Ed Willes at The Province says is all...
"Tortorella is the kind of knee-jerk decision that other organizations make, not the Canucks. Yes, he represents a personality type diametrically opposed from his predecessor, Alain Vigneault. But he also represents a personality type diametrically opposed to Gillis's core values. He is loud and profane; narcissistic and temperamental. He is emotional to the point of irrationality. Tortorella, in fact, is so far removed from Gillis and his methods that this hire had to come from somewhere else; somewhere, and we're just spitballing here, like Canucks ownership.
And when ownership gets involved in decisions of this magnitude, it's a sure sign the organization is in a state of dysfunction."
...and Ed Willes has officially won the role of Vancouver's version of Larry Brooks. Ouch.
...just seeing this reaction from the Vancouver press has me wondering what Tortorella was thinking pursuing this job. While the New York media can be brutal, it's nothing compared to the hockey media in Vancouver. I can't wait for the YouTube videos.
...as my friend Fleisch14 said to me yesterday, Rangers/Canucks swap coaches, next year is 20th anniversary of 1994 Stanley Cup, the script is already starting to write itself. Could you imagine?
I'm glad he is hopefully getting the job. I think he is a great coach and the NY media is a bunch of babies. It is very strange that we are swapping coaches.
No blind investment of time here. They have to earn it. This is entertainment after all and I don't get much from spending time watching underachievers playing, OR an assortment of bad decisions by a management team that yields just plain bad teams.
I've been watching since Espo, JD and Vadnais, but have spent many years simply looking at box scores because they were not worth wasting the precious few moments we have here.
Last year they deserved to be watched and that bought them this year as well - though after a few games I didn't tune into every game anymore. This upcoming year will be a short leash for them.
And yes, when I don't watch the Rangers I find a team that is delivering a great hockey product and that has a compelling storyline (or compelling players) and I watch and cheer them on. If that makes me a "wagon rider" so be it, but hey...if a favorite actor of mine starts making crappy movies I still watch other movies. No apologies here. You want my attention and loyalty Rangers?.....earn it.
Yeah, Torts is gonna get that job. VC need discipline NYR need more freedom. Really strange to swap coaches but it kinda makes sense. Surprised they weren't traded for each other. Canucks would have probably asked for a second rounder and Torts for AV.
Most Canuck fans i know LOVE the move.
We have a bunch of pussies as writers here and theyre already acting like bitches.
Bring on Torts !!
Torts can give them a good foundation for structured D first play like he did here. they need that up there - he just can't over do it and stifle his offense. We'll see...
Its going to very interesting to see if the Canucks can adapt to a protect the house philosophy. Glad Torts got a job. He did lay down a good foundation of defensive play here. AV will hopefully provide the creativity to our PP that we haven't had in 10 years.
Odd as it may sound, blog posts I read on Canucks Army said that both Torts and Gillis agreed Torts would have to tone it down with the media (How long that could last is the kicker). But what I found most interesting, also from Canucks Army, was that the Sedins were actually pushing for Torts to be their coach. Strange. It should be entertaining at the least. (I, however, agree with the many people who said it looks like Bobby Valentine going to the Red Sox)
I like the change in coaches personalities but I was a supporter of Torts and his coaching methods. His personality may at times leave much to be desired but to call his a narcissist couldn't be further from the truth. He's no more a narcissist than any of you media people and bloggers. It's not easy when you are as competative as Torts to just disconnect yourself and put on the face of a politician. Torts is no politician but neither am I. The man is human and if you people write bad things about him and his team, he's not gonna be very receptive toward you at a post game presser. That's all there is to it. The Canucks have a winning team in place and the proverbial kick in the pants that Torts will give that team will get them where they wanna go. I could see them going far in the playoffs next year if they can get the goaltending situation fixed there.
Yes I have heard it to the Canucks Rangers rematch with the swapped coaches... Not only do I think there is a 0 percent chance of that happening... I doubt the Canucks even make the playoffs with Torts... They are now in a pretty tough division (LA, San Jose, Anaheim, and Phoenix)... at least tougher then where they have been. And... the Sedins can't play torts style... they literally will not. It is not like Gaborik, the Sedins for 7 years now have shown they are not willing to play the physical game and it cost them the cup.
Good Luck to Torts, but he has a lot of work ahead of him... A LOT!!
"Tortorella is the kind of knee-jerk decision that other organizations make, not the Canucks."
What a remarkably stupid sentence. The Canucks have won absolutely nothing. Ever. Yet the implication is that they are exemplary in making great choices that "other teams" are incapable of making. Nervermind the fact that Tortorella is the only coach on the market with a Stanley Cup to his name (you know, which the the Canucks do not have). You'd think that making a hire "diametrically" different from what the Canucks have been employing would be a good thing.
Tonight is a super full moon. The celestial bodies are coming into alignment. They should all be in a straight line with the Canyon of Heroes right around this time next year ;-)
Yeah, well those writers have another thing coming. Torts don't take any crap and holds them in contempt from day 1. He will wip them into shape and put them in their place. They will be afraid to raise their hand to ask a question as Torts holds nothing back. If its a dumb question they'll know all about it. If Torts can tame the NY media, he can do it anywhere.
Torts is like the guy from the Dos Equis commercials. The most interesting man in the world. The Boogie man hides under his bed for fear Torts might be in the closet. Lol. Say what you like about the man and it may be true but he will whip that team into shape and make a winner out of them. He doesn't take losing lightly. Ever.
@Betweentheworlds For the entirety of Vigneault's tenure, the Canucks have been in the top 12 in goals against, quite a few of those years in the top 5. Two years ago they led the league in GA.
They have always been D first. Torts might get them in better shape and force all lines to default to offensive zone forecheck and dump-first mentality, but who knows. He didn't do that in Tampa.
@NYRFan_RF1 What coaching methods ? Torts method was to bully his players and order them to lay down and block shots with their bodies. Other then that, the guy dont have a clue as to how to coach. I predict that his tenure in Vancover will be ery short. I'm thrilled that the bum is gone.
@NYRFan_RF1 Great touch, my man....great touch!
There's a competative team in place in Vancouver and it will not be long before they're back in the finals. I can't see how you would think they will miss the playoffs. Torts made the playoffs in his 1st season in NY and that team was full of overpaid and underperforming bums that got ice time based on contracts under Renney for years. He put that team together with paper clips and bubble gum and got it to the playoffs. Not for long but still got them there. If he can do that, then he can get a very talented Vancouver team there. I'm sure he will revise his tactics to fit the personnel on the team. He didnt have the Rangers blocking over 1000 shots in his 1st full season in NY either.
@Herman_NYRBlog Great post here, Herman!
How in the name of good hockey sense can you Kevin, print these quotes without challenging their stupidity? And by stupidity I mean "the hockey thinking" that underlies each of these quotes.
Why is it so hard for some Ranger fans to acknowledge and appreciate the great success The Rangers enjoyed under Torts. The success is in the results the team produced in terms of wins and losses......team identity/culture......system used that helped win The Vezina......the great talent development.Keep in mind that it was only a few weeks ago that Torts' signed an extension to continue coaching the Rangers (because in the context of the Team, management an ownership were happy enough with the results that Torts was producung that threw more time and money at him) and all the brilliant writers knew nothing about this.....did you/?....did you??
It is obvious there were political reasons for letting Torts' go. I freely admit that I don't know what they are? Will anyone else join me in saying I don't know???????
The failure of the power play is on him. He is totally accountable.......though I will freely admit I am not present at Ranger practices as so many of you are.......right? So I don't understand the politics involved with the power play as many of you do......right? I also admit that I have never been in The Ranger locker room to assess the true mood and attitude of The Rangers towards Torts as many of you have. I also admit that I never done a professional psychiatric evaluation on The Canucks management and the Canucks ownership as the above "writer" has.
Kevin, if the purpose of this blog is to print anything about the Rangers without questioning it, at least while printing it.......I will back off.
Remember opinions are like A-holes.....everybody has one!
@Herman_NYRBlog Dont get me wrong Herman because I'm a huge Rangers fan since '64, but how many cups the Rangers have won ? one cup in 73 years.I would not have the b--ls and called that a storied franchise like some people do. I'm too old to switch teams but my advice to all the novice fans out there to stay away from this team and find a team with a better track record.Us oldtime Rangers fans are also a desiples of this team of perennial under achievers.
Herman, you would think so. They make it like Vancouver is the gold standard with some Devine right to making the best decision and never the wrong move. Look at who says they're making the wrong move! I'll bet my life savings that he gets that team into top 5 in the Conference. He is the right kick in the pants that team needs. The twins need to learn the mindset that's needed in the playoffs. It's not given to you because of what you did in the regular season
@gravey94 Okay, but which day is Manhattan-henge?
@gravey94 love the optimism. That is what is great about being a Rangers fan. constantly optimistic, consistently disappointed and on a very very rare occasion, the happiest person on the planet.
@gravey94 I thought it was every 40 years... we have to wait til 2044 for that... :(
@Betweentheworlds To piggyback on my own comment, there are a lot of different ways to play "defense-first" and a lot of different zones to focus on. During the Torts tenure, the Rangers spent a LOT of time in their own zone. This foregrounded shot-blocking, collapsing and relying on the consistency of the goaltender to frustrate the opponent into mistakes. It wasn't that fun to watch as a fan. Last year it was pretty effective, though, until the team became so burnt out they couldn't compete against Jersey.
One of my great pleasures this agonizing season was watching the Red Wings play defense all over the ice against Chicago in games 2-4 of that playoff series. That was a masterful job by the coaching staff and the players, because they all had to buy into it. And it was fun to watch.
He knows 50 times what you or I know about the sport of hockey. He's been in the sport for 30 years but you know his coaching methods are bad? He can't order anyone to do anything. This isn't a dictatorship, it's a team. He may be tough and the players might've tuned him out but they still played his way so they understand that it can work. It got them to the ECF last year. His hard charging safe is death hockey is the way the game was meant to be played. He is the right amount of toughness for the Canucks. They were beaten up by a tougher team every playoff series they lost the last 5 years. Including the SCF they lost to Boston. He won't be there for 15 years but I can see him spending the next 5 years there. He wins with every team he coaches. Why would Vancouver be any different with all the talent they have there. The Twins aren't afraid of him and even pushed for him. They want to win and might even block some shots to do it. Though he didnt have his team in Tampa play the way the Rangers did because there was more offensive skill there. It was a Defense first strategy but he will do the same in Vancouver. Create a medium between the TB teams and the Ranger teams he coached over the last 5 years.
"system implemented to win the Vezina" LMFAO, if henrik could have spent less time carrying the team on his back and less time being screened by his own defensemen (not dissing their constant sacrifice) then he would have won more games, had a lower GAA and probably the same or not better SP. Oh and how is not winning getting the Stanley Cup finals a political reason for being fired. I call that accountability.
@scrangersfan @Herman_NYRBlog So by your logic, the Cubs, Jets, Red Sox, Knicks, Maple Leafs, Mets, Bills, etc. would have no fans at this point. True fans are just lain loyal. Fans who dump a team to root for another that is more successful are wagon riders. The only time you should switch teams is when you find that you are no longer optimistic at the beginning of each season. Hang in there, the Cup cometh!
@Ranger Dave@Hotfreak@BetweentheworldsTorts treated us like an offensively inept team this year, like the one we had the year prior. Last year's squad had one 40 goal man, one 1st/2nd line center
and a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners. We had a hard working core of guys
willing to pay the price to win and Torts took this offensively
challenged group to the EC finals. That was pretty damn impressive.
We've since gotten better offensively and lost some of that blue collar
grit. Torts had a full season to recognize this and adapt, but failed. I saw it
coming before the puck dropped on opening night and I know squat about this sport compared to him, so WTF??? We
had enough talent last season to not play a dump and run, play dead in our own zone type of game. A great coach needs to adapt his system for each trade, each game, each shift - this is why IMHO Torts is not a great coach. Good? yes but he failed to make the proper adjustments this year even though the writing was clearly on the wall
@Hotfreak @Betweentheworlds Good points. Firstly good to know about the Canucks GA are low as we have a team here built for defense first. Yes, different D patterning, positioning, philosophies etc. Torts has a good system but his execution was faulty this year and successful last because he did not take into account the changes of roster this year and instead tried to repeat his success rather than be fluid to the changes in the fastest game on earth. .
He did change his thinking early on bud. It didnt work because there wasn't enough time to implement it. He tried to open things up early on this season. Do you remember the goal Gabby scored against Boston earlier in the season where he roofed the puck almost behind the goal line. That was a new designed breakout play with a one touch pass in the neutral zone. Made to defeat the trap. Torts new he had more skill and tried to create more offense without getting too far from his teams North/South phylosophies. The team was a little too wide open standing around in the neutral zone instead of Forechecking. Hank allowed 6 goals twice early on and was pulled for Biron once. It didnt work because of the new players on the team and not enough time to implement it. He needed more time to show players their role on the team. When the Rangers looked like they may not make the playoffs that way Torts went back to what he knew would work and most guys on the team had played before. That's when the team went on a run late in the season to even make the playoffs. He couldn't stand there and let his team not make the playoffs. Right? That is why I think Sather fired him. Because he thought the team had gotten as far as he could get them and if with a full camp it didn't work again next year. His players would find themselves back to "What Works" for Torts and his strategy.
@EHBIGAPPLE @scrangersfan @NYRFan_RF1 My comments to all you Torts supporters - EHBIG especially - from catching some of your comments I can see you know quite a bit about this game, you've either played or are a very astute fan. Some of your points on Torts I have to respectfully disagree with, or atleast offer another take. I saw problems developing very early on this season, and have posted my frustrations/criticisms on our coach here quite frequently. Maybe vented is the right word because our coach was frustrating the living shit out of me. Most disagreed with what I said early on and then later on I noticed that some of those same people started posting the same comments as me, as if it were their ideas. Then when the shit hit the fan people in the organization cited many of the things I was complaining about as the reasons for Torts dismissal. I was thrilled to see that and happy to see him leave - but grateful for the fact that he brought our organization back to respectability through his cult of hard work and grit, but at this point felt he had taken us as far as he could. I will not rehash all my opinions and observations on our former coach now (I've done all that all season) but only to say that the way he treated the press as well as the way he treated players like Kreider were not amongst the reasons for my rants. I had no problem with either. Let me just put it this way for now. Torts took and offensively inept team (of the season prior) and got them to the EC finals. Very impressive. that's why (one of the reasons) I think he's a good coach. This season his team was different, he lost some grit but the team became more talented. It was clearly a different team but he did not appropriately modify his system to accommodate his changing roster but rather executed the system in the exact same manner as a year prior, geared toward a low talent blue collar team, even though he had every opportunity to make appropriate modifications. That's why I do not think he is a great coach. Instead (2/3rds into the season) he stated that he and Slats underestimated the impact of losing these guys would have on the team - and then he still did not make any appropriate adaptations (that were noticeable). This lack of adaptation carried into the playoffs when he had success against the Caps and literally wore him down with his physically superior team (leading to the game 7 blowout when the Caps ran out of gas) and tried to apply it to a team physically superior Boston team - and did not make any noticeable changes in his game plan until Game 4. With what went on out there this year, with what we all saw on the ice this season I'm not sure how anyone does not see this coach to be seriously flawed. My opinion: In moving forward he should get out of his ego - out of his own way. watch the Bruins. They play the same system minus the plethora of dump ins but adding pressure rather than automatic defensive collapsing - as well as a few other different applications of the system Torts could be a great coach if he would just admit to himself, just like every other human being that he's still learning and there's always room for growth.