Now that Mark Messier was passed over for the Rangers head coaching position, you've got to wonder what's next for "The Captain."
There's been no word whether Messier intends to remain in his position as special assistant to general manager Glen Sather.
Larry Brooks at the New York Post feels that if he's serious about coaching in the NHL, the Rangers should get him experience by making him the head man down in Hartford, while Elliotte Friedman at CBC Sports doesn't think Messier would be a good candidate to replace Glen Sather as it wouldn't be ideal for Alain Vigneault to report to the man who wanted his job.
Andrew Gross has noted that Jeff Gorton is likely next in line for Rangers GM.
...i think Messier can pretty much decide what avenue he wants to take and Sather will do everything in his power to make it happen. If he ultimately wants to become a coach in the NHL, I don't see how Sather doesn't offer him the job in Hartford as Brooks suggests. I know Gernander has paid his dues, but does anyone really think his future includes being the Rangers head coach? The question is whether someone of Messier's stature is willing to ride the bus to gain the proper experience in the AHL. Maybe they can offer him Avery's old seat. Although, he could hold out for the Edmonton job next summer when they'll automatically fire their head coach for the fourth season in a row.
...now if Messier's goal is to stay in the owner's box, then, despite what Friedman and Gross are saying, I think it's a slam dunk he's the heir apparent to Sather with Gorton playing the role as Gernander. Sorry Jeff, we appreciate your service but Sather has a relationship with Mess that you just don't have. And unlike coaching, Messier has front office experience as GM of Team Canada for the 2010 World Championships (7th place finish) as well as Sather's sidekick since 2009.
Why must the Rangers overpay for everything. Really, the new head coach had to get the rumored 5 years? and Richards had to get a contract that extends until his social security kicks in? These guys would not come for a little less? This is why ticket prices never move downward. Having said that, Messier should be in the front office and take Sather's spot as soon as feasible.
Messier should not coach in the AHL for the Hartford. Vigneault cannot have the ENORMOUS shadow of Messier in Hartford looming over him at every bad turn. That is a recipe for disaster. At the first sign of trouble, media and fans will be calling for Messier to be elevated to head coach.
Oh how shortsighted we are. If Messier becomes a head coach he will be one of the greatest because he has tons of experience learned from playing under other coaches. Coaches first & foremost must be motivators, all that systems crap is vastly overrated.
Seriously what is wrong with the NHL?? Who hires people with no experience? You need 3 years of "experience" just to get an entry level position at a company (crazy confusing) but sports leagues just offer their highest positions to ex players who have ZERO experience bypassing others who have good track records. I only get it from a marketing point but if you want to win, it makes no sense.
Is Messier assistant to general manager or assistant general manager?
I honestly have no clue why Mess ever tossed his hat in the ring for this fray. He basically had the GM spot on lock (he was the heir apparent as you mentioned), but now it's in doubt. By indicating his interest in being head coach, Mess basically said that the GM spot they were grooming him for was a second choice position. Who the hell what's to hire someone to a job they know is a fallback? He honestly might have just screwed himself.
Hey anyone interested in Briere, 2 years at 2 million dollars. Maybe he takes a pay cut to win now that he is getting paid a fortune. I think that would be a great addition for us.
Just look what Gorton did in Boston....pretty much put together the team that'll probably win it's 2nd Cup in 2 years next week
@sordo44 Really???? How did that work out for Gretzky as a coach?
@spin0rama Good PR, as you said.
@Zelrio special assistant to the GM from my understanding. I believe Schoney and Gorton are the assistant GMs
Not interested in Briere. Have you been paying attention to what wins Cups? It's goaltending- we can check that off and next it's depth and bruising forwards who can finish. Look at last years Kings, and both the Bruins and Hawks this year. The Rangers are loaded with small forwards that just get plastered into the boards. See: Zucc, Hags, Stepan, Brassard, yes, even Cally. They need the rare combo of guys with snarl that can finish. Oddly enough, even with their small size they are not a particularly fast team.
Last component is a punishing D with one of those guys hopefully possessing a bomb on the point for the PP.
Until we add those elements we are not going anywhere. Get bigger, faster, tougher first.
@cardboardcllctr Um, YES! Coaching is one thing. If he went behind the bench and royally screwed up, he can be replaced pretty quickly. If he becomes GM and makes some bad trades/drafts/signings, the team is ruined for years (see Phil Esposito)! I'd love to see Mess coach. Hartford would be great, but it would suck for Gernander because he's done a good job with that team. For GM, he needs a LOT more experience!
@cardboardcllctr I don't know if it would be a BIG mistake, but Gorton is obviously way more qualified for the position.
@coolandluke @Josh6 You are spot on. IMO.the key to winning the cup is big tough forwards who will crash the net and willing to hit along the boards and a really tough D. man who can clear the net in front of Hank with really punishining hits and who is willing to drop the gloves to protect the smaller skilled players.
@coolandluke @Josh6 well what you are asking for is tough... get bigger and faster? Most of the guys that have speed are smaller (Hagelin, Skinner, etc.)... Kreider is just a freak of nature. Our average height and weight is very close to the Bruins, and we have Zuccarello and they have Chara, so I may be wrong but we have a good amount of size. We just need a 4th line that can be dangerous, and a second line winger.
@_Jack JD was the president of hockey operations.not the GM. at St Louis.
@_Jack Fair point Jack. JD did have a lot of hockey operations knowledge and also had lots of connections and strong relationships within the league, which made him a pretty good color man funny enough. If I'm not mistaken though, many people were interested in him being a GM (including the NYR) while he was working for MSG, so maybe people in the know knew he had the chops for it? He's done a pretty good job with STL and so far CBJ, so I guess there had to be something to the idea?
@_Jack He ate pancakes.
@johnnyb3910 @KevinDeLury @cardboardcllctr As much as Messier has done for the organization as a player, I don't think - as johnny mentioned - his experience post retirement in the organization (and also the 2 teams he's put together) is enough during this time when the team can make a serious push.
Also, it would seem to create the idea that, even at the very top of the organization, connections over experience or paying your dues (in the related field) is how things should be done. Just how I would translate the move, if it happens, of course.
@KevinDeLury @johnnyb3910 @cardboardcllctr Beggars can't be choosers. If this is where Mess wants to work, then he should take the job he's offered. Gorton is leaps and bounds more qualified than Mess, and watching Sather chew on cigars is hardly "experience". If Mess was ready to be a GM he would have been in charge at the deadline while Sather was in surgery, not Gorton. If Sather retires at the end of next year, I can't believe that Mess will have grown enough in that time jump over Gorton.