Andrew Gross at the Bergen Record reports that Glen Sather spoke with Henrik Lundqvist's agent Don Meehan about a contract extension before the Alain Vigneault press conference yesterday.
They expect to speak again next week.
Brett Cyrgalis at the New York Post has this from Sather...
“He’s a great goaltender. He’s 31 years old, we want him to finish his career in New York and continue to be a great goaltender for the next six or seven or eight years, depending on how long he wants to play.”
...love to hear the two sides are talking, but still not convinced he's going to sign before the season.
...how this contract plays out will tell us a lot about Lundqvist. If he pushes for a max contract, then he's a complete phony. However, if he gives the Rangers a hometown discount, then I know he's serious about wanting to win in New York.
For more on a possible Lundqvist extension, click here.
Sather also addressed the re-signing of RFAs Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh and Carl Hagelin...
“The interesting thing about contracts is that you can always renew them. The three guys we have coming up now, we’re going to renew them all.
“I’m not planning on purging the hockey team because we have some contracts that are up. We’re a pretty young hockey team.”
...always good to hear that Sather doesn't plan on abandoning the strategy that has allowed the organization to build from within for the first time in forever.
Sather did not mention Matts Zucarello. However, reports from Norway state that the two sides are currently working on a multi-year deal.
Finally, Pat Leonard at the Daily News notes that Glen Sather will discuss the future of center Brad Richards in the upcoming days.
Richards practiced with Alain Vigneault’s former junior team on Prince Edward Island during the 2004-05 NHL lockout.
...the more I read, the more I think he's coming back for another season. Very risky to say the least, but I do expect a very motivated Richards next year.
Hank wants a shot at winning the Cup. This does not directly translate to him having to take a discount so the team has more financial flexibility. He's never said "the money's not important to me". If he had said that, and then demands max money, only then would he be a phony in my eyes.
I think the people chirping that they should let lundquist walk are either plain stupid, taken some bad drugs, or just wish to stir the pot. The guy is the backbone of the team,did people forget 2011-2012 season & latter part of this season? Wake up people.
I'd like to see $64M over 8 yrs. That would make him the highest paid goalie in the league, and also the highest paid Ranger.
Calling him a phony in this situation is just plain unfair and very sports fan micro vs macro picture.
Hank has every right to play the open market after doing the majority of the workload for the team for years now. He's earned the right to demand top money. That doesn't make him a phony. I know what you're getting at re leaving space for more talent on the team but I'm sorry Hank's fucking earned whatever he wants at this point.
The thing I don't understand about the fans that think Richards should never play in NY again is that who is his replacement. Who's out there to be the veteran top 6 Centerman and don't tell me that Stepan and/or Brassard are getting the Rangers to the Stanley Cup finals. They're very good young players but only one of them fit in the top 6. Both can step in/up if needed but Richards is in the league longer than both combined.
The Cap is only 64mil for one season in which they have plenty of money to field a competative team. After that the team can have a ton of cap space and Richies contract won't be such a huge deal. There's no FA Center out there that will do what he's capable of and Richards has played 70 games every year since he's in the NHL. After next year the cap is based on a split of record revenue the NHL is reporting and there is going to be 20 outdoor games or more next season. 14/15 the upper limit could be 76 mil or more. The Rangers could have over ten mil in space with Richards on the team. If you disagree then tell me who they can sign or trade for to replace him. Oh and LTIR. Look it up
Sather should approach Richards about 're-negotiating his contract to make it more cap and team friendly. If Richards is disagreeable to that, buy him out! The Rangers as well as any team can be improved. As such in this day and age of caps it's important to remain financially flexible. Current player's who are not sold on the idea of leaving finance availability in the pursuit of the Cup are not in it to win it. As fans we root for our team to win it not for a player to get the most he can to the detriment of the pursuit. If Lundqvist fits the latter description then move him or let him play out his deal. He wasn't the greatest goaltender in the world this year and he won't be as he continues to age.
Jonathan Quick... in my opinion the second best goalie in the NHL, and probably better than Hank because he wins in the postseason makes 5.8 million dollars a year for the next 9 years.
Hank should take 7 million a year, and then let the team get players to put around him... any more than that, and he only has himself to blame when the team in front of him is not capable of winning
I think you guys jumped on the Zucc is back bandwagon to fast... it is not a done deal, and I think Sather and Viggy feel the same way about him that i do... A solid player but there may not be a place on this team for him. I don't expect him back.
The Rangers cannot hastring themselves with a long term deal for a over 30 player regardless of who it is! We live in a cap world and eveyone needs to adjust to it both the team and the players. Players want to make the most they can and that is okay but if it's going to prevent the team from bringing in key components then th player is looked at like a someone who only wants the $$$$ and doesn't care about winning! Hank and the Rangers need to fighure out whats best for both parties and go from there.
I hear a lot of talk about athletes being phony if they don't give discounts to keep their contracts from hamstringing the team. Wanting to win and wanting to make the most money isn't necessarily mutually exclusive. Sure...when it comes down to it some may value their money a little more, but that doesn't make them a phony - unless they actually say that winning is THE most important thing to them.
I am the minority that believes that the NYR should NOT sign Hank to a max deal. I think it will clearly hamstring the team. Yes, he is the primary reason why they have had some success, but having an all-world goalie having to stand on his head in front of a mediocre team is not exactly a recipe for long term success. And it is outright foolish to put max dollars and years into that model because it can't possibly sustain itself as that one piece ages. And yet that is exactly what will happen if you put so much money into one piece of the puzzle - even if you think it is the most important piece. This is a very simple premise, but unfortunately logic eludes those who are "thinking" with their hearts.
So....yes....Hank may be THE best goalie in the world (for now)....but obviously there is quite a long list (and growing) of teams that have managed to win the Cup without the "best goalie in the world". Assign a dollar amount to the position that you can live with without hurting your team and if he wants more....LET HIM GO.
http://capgeek.com/leaders/?season=2012&type=SALARY&position=G&limit=25 Hank is well-paid, though the final year of his contract drops. He is a great goalie and I appreciate all that he means to NY. On the other hand, there are other goalies who are comparable to Hank and who have taken their teams to the promised land. This chart contributes to a lively discussion.
@Al Crego Henrik is not going anywhere. This is his city, this is his team, he is our Goalie. End of story.
@cb1 I agree. That's what I see as numbers that's fair for all parties. If Hank wants more, he needs to sacrifice long term security imho.
@Jamieson McGonigle We all know Henrik wants to win. He is not a phony. He will take less money from the Rangers if he gets 8 years and if he gets a more offensive system. I think er really wants to see that he gets the support he needs, and I don't mean just personnel, but the style of game as well.
@Jamieson McGonigle Could not agree more. I see the point and maybe i just don't agree with calling the guy a phony.
@NYRFan_RF1 Factually, you are right on the money! And Richards' past supports your position. As a former athletic coach and a leader of professionals in business I don't know if Richards WANTS to play the brand of hockey (defensively responsible and the offense will come) that would be required of him in New York. It is all an "act of the will" and I don't know if Richards is WILLING to play that way. There is no doubt in my mind that he can. But I learned a long time ago it is never about "I can or I can't." It is always about, "I Will or I WON'T."
Actually watching Jaegr playing for Boston and listening to his quotes about how he has CHOSEN to play gives me hope for Richards. Jaegr talks about how he is playing for the first time in his hockey career a system that is new to him simply because he WILLINGLY chose to follow Julien's wishes. It is inspiring to me to see Julien use the 41 year old in every offensive and defensive situation).....so maybe??
One has to be close to Richards to understand if "HE WlLL or HE WON'T" and that is not me.
I like your ideas. I learn from you.......THANK YOU!
@NYRFan_RF1 I think the question is, is Richards still a top 6 guy like you said. All evidence from last season is no. Was it an aberration? Who knows. But Torts has been one of Richie's biggest supporters over the years, and by end of season, Torts felt Richie was a 4th line center or a reserve player. So, if last season holds true, do you want to hold that much money against the cap for a 4th line/occasional scratched player?
@NYRFan_RF1 OMG stop with the LTIR. It won't wipe the contract off the books. It just allows you to sign another guy that season. It DOES NOT remove Richards from the cap. And if you think it's no big deal to carry $6.6 million for a guy who doesn't play you are out of your mind. If they get stuck with his contract because of injury it will ruin the franchise for years. Get your info straight.
@EdwardInfante You cannot renegotiate a current contract under the current CBA. (article 11.10) You cannot terminate an existing contract and negotiate a new one with the same team, as that would most likely be rejected by the NHL, since it would be circumventing the cap.
Also, imho, wanting to win a Cup and wanting to get paid well, are not mutually exclusive. You can have both without being selfish.
I also think Hank is still the best goalie in the world right now too. Just cause Bob won the Vezina, doesn't mean he was the best. Look at Jim Carey.
In the NHL can players re-negotiate their contract? I don't know if they can but you're way off about Hank. Just because he didnt win the Vezina doesn't mean he's not the best in the world. Most would agree. I think that we will find out a lot about Hank in the coming months. If he wants a max deal or won't sign. I wouldn't let him play this year. Let him sit. They won't do that but I would. We fired Torts and got a new coach you wanted and now you won't resign. Then sit home and next summer good ridence.
@Josh6 Quick, imho, has a better team around him. The Kings are deeper and more balanced. Also, if Quick was a UFA tomorrow, he could probably command way more than 6m a year. Kings are lucky to have him bound to that current contract.
I hope Hank takes a discount to give more room for the team to improve, but if he gets a huge contract, it's still well deserved. A lot of people talk about how Renney and Torts brought the Rangers back to relevance, but I think Hank deserves a lot of credit for that too. Lots of teams have gone on the record of being fearful about playing the NYR in the playoffs, because they know that Hank can steal a series.
you might say... so what its only 3 million dollars... well that is the difference between letting a guy like Carl Hagelin walk or picking up a key free agent...
@Not So Nashty"The Rangers cannot hastring themselves with a long term deal for a over 30 player regardless of who it is!" So according to this logic the Rangers HAVE to buy out Richards contract.
@jmacwilli Jmac. Extremely well said. Very smart post.
I don't think Hank will go for max to be honest, but I do think the NYR might be willing to go up to 9m with him, but if they do, hopefully it's no more than 3-4yrs. If Hank wants 5-8yrs, I would not give him more than 8m per.
@jmacwilli What makes you think you are in the minority? I think most fans realize that paying ANY 1 player 1/6th of your payroll is a recipe for constant underachieving by the team. My guess is that Hank realizes this also. I don't see him accepting $7.5M a year for 8 years as being a "home-town" discount, i see it as him being rational and realizing that it would be in his own best interests. Now if he signs a huge contract with Calgary or even the Flyers, then it's pretty clear he's in it just for the money.
@Rich Buser that's a whole lot of money being paid to guys who are currently doing the same thing as us: WATCHING THE STANLEY CUP FINALS.
I was aware of some of the other names at the top, but I didn't realize Cam Ward made some much money.
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I won't stop with anything. If you don't like it, well I don't know what to tell you because you're certifiably Indian? I know that LTIR is only a temporary fix but if the Rangers can keep Richards and remain under the cap for one season with a low Salary Cap. Then do it, after that the cap goes back to a 50/50 split of HRR and it is gonna be a number above this seasons 70.3mil Upper Limit. I know all you're going to say is bla bla bla because that's what you do. I wish you would man up and let me tell you my views in person. There's a lot I can't articulate in a paragraph or less. But the fact of the matter is they only have to get by one season and he will be fine. He's gonna retire before that contract is up so there's no way he's playing 7 more years. He's got 2-3 left in him. That's not a fact but I don't care. They need him to play like he's capable of. If for some reason Stepan and Brassard are having monster seasons and/or Richie is not. Then they should buy him out. But to ship out a 70 point Center would be madness. That's that. I don't give a F**k what I know or don't know. I know this. Say what you like. I know you are a nice man! Have a nice day. Thanks for reading. Ok then. Hope to hear from you soon. Ok.
Thanks for the correction on the legalities of contracts. Did not realize the NHL was unlike sports such as Baseball. As far as Lundqvist, I believe he's the best at stopping the initial shot but rebound control is a very important aspect of goaltending and in this area he stumbles. Additionally, handling the puck is a talent that many goalies now bring to the game. At this, he is adequate at best. All this is my own opinion, obviously others disagree and that's just fine.
@NYRFan_RF1 Give him Max 8 years and $7.25 per and call it a day. Then play Biron more next season. If Big L is gonna play till he is forty he has got to start playing less games.
@NYRFan_RF1 If Hank wants a max deal and/or won't sign, you trade him (as hard as it may be) and get something in return, and then you see what he can be had for when he becomes a UFA. To have him sit the whole year as a "punishment" or "statement" would gain nothing for the NYR.
My point was that there have been many great players (both skaters & goalies) that spent a career chasing the cup never to win it. Borque was close he spent 20 years as good as he was it took a lifetime for him to get there.
My point wasn't how good the pens would be with Hank. It was that the Pens GM traded for all those players and most thought they were a sure thing to get to and win the cup. It didnt happen. They were whooped in 4 to Boston and for all that offensive talent they had there. They only scored 2 goals in 4 games. So Sather can stock this team with offensive talent up and down the lineup and still not win the Cup. There's no perfect fool proof blueprint to winning the SCF. It's a crap shoot every year. Hank can make whatever demands he wants and Sather could pull every one of them. It's up to the skaters on the team to want it. Teams have won or got to the finals with less talent than the Rangers have now. If Hank wants a cup his best bet is to stay put. You move around and leave a team that wins after you left. That happens too. No sure thing in the NHL. The cap plays into that too. As a GM you're limited as to how many chips you can put on one number or color.
@NYRFan_RF1 not sure if that was directed at me but i definitely do not want Hank to walk. I want him to retire as a ranger. I agree w/ you that anyone who makes the playoff has a chance to win n it's the hardest championship to win in pro sports esp w/ the cap. Hank made plenty of comments towards the end of the season venting his frustration w/ the lack of offense. He is without a doubt the backbone of this team n has been so for years. But how long do you put in that effort and not get rewarded w/ the cup? Ray Bourqe and Hasek did it. I know hank has plenty of time left in his career but I think this yr was an eye opener. You can't tell me how unstoppable a team like Pittsburg or Boston would be w/ hank in net. Time will tell. Hopefully he signs before next season but if not, he will be holding out to see what offers he gets for next year. Fingers crossed for the best that w/ healthy returns for Hags n CAlly and AV leading the offense n powerplay in the right direction. Most of the pieces are there, we just need the direction.
@NYRFan_RF1 If I was Henrik I would have wanted Torts gone more than anybody else. He got overplayed, the puck spent so much time in his zone, he got no offensive support. So I wouldn't even care if he wanted Torts gone. As far as I am concerned Henrik wants to win and he will do whatever he has to do to get that done.
Don't kid yourself. Hank isn't a kid anymore but he could play competatively for another 5-6 seasons. Maybe more. Brodure is approaching 40 and reached the SCF last season. Hank is 31 and playing better than he ever has. He just got married and now has a daughter along with a couple Restaraunts in NYC. I doubt he or his new wife wanna pack up and go to another city. Or have him live somewhere away from them. The season wasn't a step backwards, only the Rangers and Kings made it past the first round both last year and this season. It's not easy making the playoffs every year and the lockout really hurt the Rangers more than most team. With the high expectation and pressure put on them and only a week for new players to learn a new system and they didn't have many players playing during the lockout either. Many guys came in out of shape. Like Richards for instance. A lot of team had multiple players in Europe and even more that were able to play in Connecticut. The Rangers didn't. You sound like you want him to walk? The point is with a player like Hank, the backbone of your team. As a GM you don't want Hank getting anywhere near Free Agency. That could be a PR disaster for him. He also is likely the reason Torts is gone and the Rangers did what he wanted and now he won't sign? That's not right in my book. Especially to the team that gave you your shot and made you a millionair in the greatest city in the world. If a GM knew exactly what he had to do to win a Cup. He'd do it to a T every time. It doesn't work that way. Only one out of 30 brings home the Cup each year. All Sather can do is his best and hope things fall into place. Look at what Shero did in Pittsburg. He probably felt like he won the Cup in April when he acquired Murray, Iginla, Jokinen, and Morrow. So Hank has to understand that with a salary cap there's only so much you can do. Otherwise Dolan would reach deap into his pockets and put together a winner every 4-5 years. In the NHL he could do that and still lose. So much parody in the NHL now. Any team that makes the playoffs can win the cup.
@NYRFan_RF1 Hank wasn't the only player who wanted torts gone and to be honest I don't blame Hank for not resigning right away. This season was a step backwards after making the conference finals and Hank's window for winning the cup is closing quickly. If it looks like this team is continuing to go in the wrong direction, then Hank walks. If they turn it around n have a good run, he will resign.
If he gets a max contract it would be 8 years 100 million and the Rangers wouldn't have much money to improve the team and fill holes. After firing Torts to please him and then he won't resign. I'd say good riddance. You can't let a player run your team. He's the best but the team is more important than even him.
@cb1 @Not So Nashty @Ranger Dave Thats up to Hank! I dont want him to walk but I dont want the Rangers to be tied to potentially 2 monster cotracts with Nash & him.And thats only if they buy out Richards then if they dont they will have 3 bloated contracts for guys in their mid to late 30"s. I want Hank on this team and to retire as a Ranger but if he wants to win here he needs to consider the consequences of him taking a max contract.
@cb1 @Not So Nashty @Ranger Dave I also think that if you have to seriously consider buying out Richards with the Amnesty or have a long term plan to trade him and some young talent to ditch his contract in three or four years. I love Richards. I want him to stay. I wish he had had a better season. Could he be better in a more offensive system. Without a doubt. Is he an aging center with a huge contract that could sink your organization in 4 years. Absolutely. I don't want to be AV and Sather making this decision, because in the next three or four years Richards could be the difference between a cup or not and in the next three years he is going to be a major cap liability.
@cb1 @Not So Nashty @Ranger Dave I didn't say that. I was just clarifying that If Not so Nashty didn't want to offer hank that contract then he would be 100% for buying out Richards. I would give Hank 7.5 x 8. It doesn't hamstring us and he is still the highest paid goalie in the league. As long as he starts getting some rest. Biron has to play more games, if Hank is gonna play for nine more great years.
@Josh6 @gravey94 @jmacwilli Oh yea, the Pens have been lighting up the playoffs, 2 1st round exits, a 2nd round exit, and a conference final sweep in the past 4 years. They did win a Cup in 08-09, but it was Crybaby's 1st year of his $9M deal and Malkin was under $1M. They haven't done squat since those 2 got paid. So if you don't see them doing badly, you're just not looking.