Update, 9:02 p.m.:
...LOL!!!!! Looks like there are plenty of GMs out there in the market for concussed forwards.
The Rangers, with no cap room, have told teams they're willing to trade Ryane Clowe's rights. Hes UFA July 5— Pierre LeBrun (@Real_ESPNLeBrun) July 1, 2013
...who the hell would trade assets to negotiate with a player who suffered two concussions in less than month?
...and the ramifications of not amnestying Richards begin.
...absolutely shocked all Sather ended up doing today was obtain Falk. Thought for sure he was going to dazzle Rangers fans again by pulling another rabbit out of his hat.
A thirty eight year old Marty St. Louis led the league in scoring this year so please stop making excuses for the "30 year olds". And besides, Close was only 30. No reason to not be prepared for the season even without camp. It's not like we're talking about someone who's 38.. Oh wait, the 38 year was prepared. Yes clowe has value and this team could use him but after two concussions in less than a month, he'll be a constant risk with his style of play. And if he can't play his style, he's not worth having.
I'm more worried about what happens next offseason if they're stuck with Richards...there's ALOT of guys who are gonna need a raise
Wow, the bus has a lot more room now that all the band waggoners are jumping off. You know what, you can all friggin' stay off because you're nothing but front runner blowhards! Wahhhh, Bwad Wichards contwact is toooo wong, Wahhhh, the team's not tuff enuff. Wahhhh, I want more picks and more free agent signings. STFU already!!!! Let me pose a few questions to you Einsteins that you can answer to yourselves. If Brad Richards had a season last year closer to his previous 12 seasons, would you still be calling for his head or would it instead be Rick Nash fresh off his 1 goal post-season and $7.8M cap hit through 2018? Question #2, all that toughness that the Bruins have the the Rangers don't, how'd that work out for them in the Finals? Boy, they just ran roughshod over the Hawks and took the Cup with ease...oh wait. And finally, since this team "overachieved" 2 years ago and is now ruined because 1 player was not bought out this year at the expense of bringing in the missing piece (Vinny Prospal I guess?), why is it that they are 1 of 2 teams to make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the past 2 years? Maybe it's just me, but if a team does that I consider it consistent rather than abnormal. Semantics I guess.
As I said bandwaggoners, please answer these questions to yourselves, because honestly I don't give a crap what your thought processes are. I am a fan of the NY Rangers. I stick with this team no matter what. Sometimes I complain, sometimes I gripe, sometimes I disagree with the decisions made, but I will NEVER abandon them, and I'm fairly certain that all REAL fans feel that way as well. I, for one, and looking forward to big things this season from AV, the kids' continued growth, Cally stepping up in a bigger C role, full seasons from the Columbus 3, Nash dropping 40 goals, and of course a bounce back year for Brad. Call me an optimist, but I prefer to call it being a fan! LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
Clowe's going to be gone for even a late pick, Rangers have no use for him now with his recent history.A few teams might want to chance it, but not the Rangers.Looks like the next season will be the same basic core, hopefully all RFAs they want are resigned and we go from there.Which is not as good as getting rid of Richards and bringing in good talent, but that's the way it is.It is certainly not going to be a horrible season if Richards doesn't get injured.Rangers have a real good core with prospects having space to move up .AV will succeed and it'll be ok.
I was really upset after the season and said that I would take some time debating whether I had the stomach anymore for this team with Sather behind the wheel. I think I still need time as I do not see great things for next year with the team we currently have. Sure things may change, but why would we think they will with Sather? His record should have had him canned numerous times. If this year is bad, then I really see gloomy days ahead with Hank not wanting to resign. I try to not think about hockey, but that is impossible. I do love this team and blog, but it is time for Sather to go.
i think the other question is who would trade anything to negotiate with someone who will probably be a free agent anyway if that many teams are interested. Rangers can still buy out Richards right?
Next move - MDZ for some cheap muscle - though the haters would be thrilled it would just add another heap full to Slats shit pile - but what would one expect from a front office with the collective reasoning power of a scallop in heat.
Coming to this blog is becoming more and more difficult every day with all the goddamn negativity in the comments. The offseason isn't over yet and we're judging this team and players based off of a lockout shortened season with no training camp.
As for our draft, the guys we drafted all have potential. We have to wait a few seasons to see how they look, but I'm not counting them out. We've had success in the 3rd round before. Before we lay down and die this season, lets have a little bit of hope. I've seen more hope in Mets fans every April.
We won't get stuck with him. Simply put, if he plays like he did last year, his ass will be in the press box the second half of the season to make sure he's healthy.
Really thought you had something going there up until you seemed to imply that Nash could be a buyout victim had Richards has a better year. Hope it was just not being able to convey sarcasm through social media? As long as thats the case, then I'm with you!
@gravey94 @_Jack @Coolandluke @FREE LINDBERG: Usually I agree with your comments here Gravey but to this one I have to respectfully say BULLSHIT! I mean who's doing the wining here. Really. These blogs are for exchanging thoughts, ideas, opinions, learning from your fellow fans and VENTING - yes venting, the same way we do when we have a beer with our sports buddies. It's been a frustrating season with Torts at the helm and keeping Richey is frustrating for those of us who know the game and understand the cap structure. I know I've been one of those "negative" voices and I apologize if anyone's offended but either stop coming here or grow up. I mean come on - we're freakin New Yaukas!
Answer #1: Are we reading the same comments - most here acknowledge Richey's a good player and last season was an aberration, his numbers (except for the fact he's a career minus player for what +/- rating is worth ) have been quite solid for most of his 12 seasons. It's just the contract hampers us from getting what we need here to be competitive next season - it doesn't stop us but severely curtails us. Big difference between Nash and Richey is that nash is a better player (IMHO) and Nash is younger which makes his cap hit easier to swallow. Richey's lost a step and all the training in the world will probably not bring that back to a 33 yr. old - I could be wrong but his game relies on quickness (which is different than speed). Even if he has another 90 pt. season keeping him in my limited view of our team's dynamic is a bad decision. Yes it's done and we have to live with it, and I'll be OK and root him and the team on but it's goddam frustrating and I'm gonna vent about it
Answer #2: it takes toughness and skill to win (as well as D Goaltending etc.(and as a testament to how important size and physical play is in today's game with huge players and tiny rinks they still almost pulled it off with very modest talent beating the mighty Pens) and Boston does not have a ton of skill all through the Boston series I was "complaining" about our coach's apparent lack of strategy because I felt we were the more talented and quicker of the 2 teams, but we gave up a lot in physical play. You don't overcome that physical deficit by playing a grinding dump in the corners/forecheck game which plays to their strength. You try to exploit their weaknesses. You use your speed and quick passing to reduce the board play and minimize as much as possible what you give up physically - a fast possession type game would have given us a chance. The Blackhawks are physical, fast and skilled - a great balance and a great team which is why they were my preseason pick and which is why their unbelievable start to the season was no fluke
Answer #3 - Good points - I'd say "overachieved" is a bit overstated as well. One player who happens to have a huge cap hit, who is a no contact skill player on a team filled with those type players is a big deal when we need to balance out our roster.
And as for bandwaggoning, or whatever I am a fan too. I stuck by my team when Petr Nedved was "the franchise" and the Czech Mates were the rage of Broadway. I'm a life long Mets fans too (and '69 was the best year of my childhood). I'll be there when the puck drops in Oct. and root for them like I have done the last 40 seasons. Yes, there are some good things happening here too and I appreciate you reminding us "negatives" of that, but nothing is going to convince me that Slats didn't drop the ball as he's done so many times in the past in keeping Richey's handcuffing contract - in his tenure he's pulled rabbits out of hats and made terrible moves as well - Slats is not all bad. I'm just a fan. I don't see the big picture. Upcoming roster moves will tell us if he had a plan or if keeping Richey's a shit for brains move. I'd love nothing more then to be proved wrong here.
@gravey94 I just don't understand why being negative means you are not a fan. Also, from my perspective it is more being a realist. I will still watch every game and root for the Rangers... I just think are division is going to be very tough and I do not like where our roster is headed... That does not make me a bandwagoner...
Nothing like blind allegiance to Slats and Dolan. I must have missed it someplace that since those 2 took over there have been multiple parades down the Canyon of Heroes. Accepting mediocre results over their reign of error does not excuse the relative success if making it to the second round these past 2 years. You're the one that's wailing away, WAAAH, weave my Wangers awone. Critical analysis requires objective thinking; calling yourself a singular devoted fan has caused you to lose that persoective
You're mission, should you choose to accept it is to infiltrate the security grid of one NY Rangers front office, place a computer chip in their leader's brain - code name "Slats" programmed to "housecleaning mission Richey". This blog will self destruct in 5 seconds...
@Ranger Dave I think they have until the 4th so it's technically possible
@Betweentheworlds 2nd, 3rd and 5th round draft pick...
I agree about the negatively. I see the errors in Sather's ways but Jesus Christ some of the comments here nowadays make me question how some people could be fans. Hopefully they won't watch the '13-'14 season i mean why bother, right?
The '11-'12 rangers had tons of grinders and led the league in fighting majors, they made into the ECF yet somehow they "overachieved." Now everyone here wants those tough grinders and have huge boners for The Bruins' DNA.
Last season was shit-dipped barometer to base this upcoming offseason on, i hope chi-town likes half of their cup.
Exponentially increased team chemistry and new locker room culture will make for an entertaining season.
Do we have any reason to be optimistic? Sather has been terrible for the most part and most years this team is not even playoff worthy.
@JoshKaye I am starting to see your point though on the roster... changes can still come, even Richards can still be bought out
@JoshKaye The only draft choice of ours I was negative on was the guy who came with this description "His defensive play and positioning is almost nonexistent."
The other kids are all young and have a chance at greatness, which is all you can ask from an 18 year old kid. The difference is this one guy has the talent, but is lazy, and I hate those kind of players and those kind of people.
@FREE LINDBERG No way he wasn't resigning with Chicago. He's from there, iirc
@RangersVW14 LOL! No it wasn't sarcasm, necessarily. It was more pointing out the absurdity of using a buy-out based on a small sample. And as Bartels and Jaymes used to say...Thank you for you support!
@Betweentheworlds @gravey94 I'll keep this short as I'm tired of typing. To be a whiner the other way, I would have to be saying the Rangers will win the Cup this year. I have not done so. Besides, I think I'm permitted to vent at the venters, no? Richards can be bought out next summer and my gut tells me Sather will do so if he cannot trade him. If not, then I'll probably be griping too. Nash is a better player, but Richards has a better shot at staying competitive when he's older because his game revolves around playmaking. Nash is a perimeter power forward. When he loses a step, he's done. He won't become Tim Kerr. I don't see any UFAs this year that the Rangers "misses" due to Richards, except possibly Clowe, but then people would be complaining Sather overpaid for him! Given the past 2 seasons, and until they show otherwise, I have no reason to believe that the Rangers can't compete for a Cup this season as currently constituted.
This team has more skill than the 11-12 team!!! Last I checked our bottom six was pretty fun awful during that playoff run.
@FREE LINDBERG @gravey94 Negative is one thing. Stating this team will not make the playoffs this year, will trade it's core after the season, will lose its goaltender to free agency, and will be ruined for the next 10 years because a buy-out was not executed this year goes a little beyond negativity...realism for that matter.
No he just doesn't believe that the Rangers need to make a splash during the offseason every year to be successful. It's amazing how fast everyone went from "stay the course" with the young home grown talent, To "we need to spend" or way to success. It was that thinking that killed this team for years.
@coolandluke Yep, that's what it is alright, blind allegiance to ownership. Oooh, you got me. I hate to be the one to tell you, but if you are a real fan and have been one for a while, you accept those mediocre results as well. 1 parade in 73 years is not exactly stellar results, but go ahead keep blaming the current ownership and GM for that lack of parades. I have no problem with critical analysis as it's well-deserved. But saying a team is finished for the foreseeable future because they didn't exercise a buy-out or didn't have a 1st or 2nd round pick is just obscenely ludicrous, especially when it happens a full 3 months before the friggin' season even starts!!! I'll always be a fan of this team, I'll always have things I like and don't like about them, but I will NEVER give up hope on a season before it even starts. That's just not what fans do. I'd like to hope that everyone on this blog is like that, but based on the recent comments by many, it doesn't seem that way.
@_Jack NP. Just tired of all the venom!
@_Jack Our team chemistry increased exponentially at the end of the season, so hopefully we can maintain it. No worries on the entertaining season aspect with our new division. We will definitely have the most entertaining season we have ever had with the amount of skill in the new division. I cannot wait to see the schedule. I hope AV allows our scorers to score and defenders to defend, so that we can get that contract extension out of Hank.
@JustinRP37 Most years? Since the lockout ended we've been to the playoffs every season but one. Throughout the history of our team (yes, this had to be done), we've made the playoffs 55 times, missing it 31 times. That, to me, is a pretty solid ratio, even if there were less teams around back then.
Sather hasn't won a cup, and that is very much annoying. I don't think we're nearly as bad as all of you like to think we are. First off, we still have Hank. I don't see this as being the last season he plays for us, I believe he'll be back for the remainder of his career. Looking at our defense, McD, Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman, Moore, Falk, I'm pretty excited about those players. I've been a Del Zotto hater but he has a chance to flourish under AV. Staal still leaves me concerned but I believe that he can work things out before the season and figure out a comfort level for himself. Last season, AV had three defensemen with over 35 points (Edler 49, Bieksa 44, Hamhuis 37).
Now as far as our forwards go, yes things will be a bit tougher with Cally and Hags being injured for what could be the first couple of months of the season. We'll need contributions from all, which under Torts would seem impossible. Under AV, who has been able to run a pretty consistent offense in Vancouver, things could be opened up for all players. Younger players like Kreider, Miller, Thomas, St. Croix, Hrivik, Fast, Lindberg, Kantor will all have a chance to step in with those injuries. Now I don't know about you, but I'm excited to see what players like Stepan, Nash, Brassard, Zucc, even Richie can do in AV's system. You can choose to be pessimist about next season. I won't do that.
@FREE LINDBERG @JoshKaye Not really being negative but this team over achieved in 11-12 season I was expecting them to contend this coming season but who the hell knows now with Torts gone im not knocking AV yet but he is an unknown factor so far. Its been 4 seasons since I told my Brother a Devils fan that The Rangers will be annual contenders for the cup in 5 seasons so lets hope I was right and AV stepped in shit cause I'm ready for a cup how bout you guys.
@JoshKaye @JustinRP37 By playoff worthy, I mean a strong competitor in the playoffs, not one and done. And for the amount Sather spent, they should be stronger. Our defense is not our problem and has not been. Our offense has been the problem, which maybe with a new more-offensively minded coach that can change
As for Hank, I am very worried about him not wanting to come back. I do not believe the season before this Bettmaned season was a fluke, but we have made significant changes since then. A lot of them did not work out until our second Columbus trade. The reason for my worry (not pessimism) is the majority of the season Hank did seem upset with the team and the way things were going. Some nights it was hard to watch his post-game comments. His agent has repeatedly said Hank is waiting to see what management does before even thinking about a contract extension. That should worry any Ranger fan. Without Hank, then we probably would not even make the playoffs many years. If the coaching adjustments and new players take time adjusting and we miss the playoffs, then Hank may not want to come back. His number one goal as a player is to win a cup. He has never been shy about that. His number one goal is not to retire a Ranger. Hopefully Sather can put together an excellent team to make him want to resign with us and make a run at the Cup.
I am waiting to see how the rest of the offseason plays out, but I want to be optimistic. Next year our division will be extremely difficult. The Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Capitals, Penguins, Flyers, and Blue Jackets are all going to be strong next year. It will probably be one of the most exciting years ever to watch the Rangers. Hopefully the team gels quickly, something I did not see much of this year, and Hank wants to continue being a part of the most exciting sport in NYC.
-Jack- How can you say they didn't over achieve in 11-12? Any person on here who says they expected us to finish atop the east is flat out lying! That team was not that talented. For Christ's sake we talk about losing Fed and Prust like they were perennial all stars. He was Brandon Prust!!! Nobody even knew who he was coming in. That season was a huge over achievement where Torts was able to get the most out of a team that wasn't very talented. We were a 4or 5 seed at best in 11-12.
@SpazzBrown @FREE LINDBERG @JoshKaye Yeah I know we over-achieved. Still though, there's just been a whole lot of negativity in the comments lately. I mean, at least we're not the Flyers: a good amount of talent yet they try to stop a shot and that's just impossible. We're not in the worst of situations, we still have a whole lot of talent, even in players that have been completely bashed on this page. Or at least that's what I think. But I've been wrong before.
@tygalpin sather should take notes