In a conversation with Larry Brooks at the New York Post, Glen Sather admitted that Rick Nash suffered a concussion on the Milan Lucic hit back in February that kept the Rangers star forward out for over a week as well as that both Ryan Callahan and Carl Hagelin suffered multiple separated shoulders throughout the year...
“That’s when a lot of the injuries started. When Lucic rammed Nash from behind and gave him a concussion.
“Take a look at [Ryan] Callahan, he must have separated his shoulder eight or nine times during the year and he kept playing. Same with [Carl] Hagelin."
....so if Nash suffered a concussion on that Lucic hit, why in the world was he allowed to play over 20 minutes in the two games that followed? You'd think with everything that had gone on with Boogaard and Staal this Rangers medical staff would finally learn. I know concussions are tricky and signs don't always present themselves immediately, but why would they take a chance. It was obviously serious enough that he ended up missing 11 days because of the head injury. And what makes it worse is all the lying and secrecy that went on in the aftermath. From telling season subscribers that Nash didn't attend an event because he was sick to informing the press it was a maintenance day, the entire situation was handled very poorly.
...although, this revelation makes Nash's shootout goal later in the Bruins game all the more impressive...
I put together a timeline of the Nash injury which you can read here.
...even with Callahan and Hagelin's multiple separated shoulders, while I appreciate the warrior-type attitude the two of them displayed, I just can't comprehend how these two were given the green light to continue playing and possibly cause irreversible damage to their shoulders. At some point the long term success of the franchise has to take precedence over the short term gains during a lockout shortened season. What went on with three of them this season is unacceptable in my opinion.
Here's video of Lucic hit on Nash...
I don't care if Lucic's hit was legal and I don't care if 99.9% of our Rangers Squat to pee when Mr Lucic tells them to! YOU HAVE TO MOB A PLAYER WHEN THEY DO THIS TO YOUR STAR!!!!!!!
Shame on all of them. I say bring the fury of hockey moms everywhere on these people for letting those guys play.
Also, This organization is dumbfounded for what they did with Callahan and Hagelin. First of all the team was not even that special this year, a bottom feeder (in terms of playoff teams). If Ryan Callahan gets permanent shoulder damage or Hagelin it is a mockery. There are plenty of kids in the system that could have filled in... maybe not as well, but it is a shortened season... Now we are not starting a real season next year with them at 100 percent because of this idiocy.... very dumb in my opinion...
I am going to be honest this is better news in terms of Nash. Yea I know he got a concussion so that sucks, but he was a physical player before that game. Every game before that he had a tenacity about him. He would get angry and try to hit anything that moved, which is something you need to be successful in the NHL. I hope this injury had something to do with it, and that he was playing either a step behind or nervous, and he can bounce back next year. As for him playing through a concussion @PenaltySh0t , I really dont think that was the case.
Here's video I just received of Callahan popping his shoulder back in place one of the nine times this season: http://youtu.be/Igrdi_lhhW4
I think Tortorella's style had a lot to do with players playing injured (not hurt, injured). He probably pushed players to play.
If Nash still had a concussion in the playoffs the entire rangers medical staff should be fucking canned. You can't do that, if I knew Nash had a concussion there's NO way I'd have let him play.
ehhhhh I have a feeling that MANY players play through things like Separated Shoulders. With these guys it's par for the course. That whole "hurt" vs "injured" thing. I think it comes down to structural damage etc. which is when they stop playing. This is why I always think it is always a bit unfair when fans get on a player who is underperforming, alot of times we never really know what the real story is and we forget that they are human beings.
But yea still trying to figure out what the heck happened to Richards this year :)
I've said it before, I'll say it again, losing Prust was was killed this team. It took the heart from this team. Say what you want about Rupper not doing too well when he dropped the mitts, at least he was willing to do it defending his teammates. Hell, Dubinsky stepped up on a few occasions and threw hands with players who took runs at our guys. Blame the lack of scoring or a lame power play all you want, but what this team truly lacked was its heart and soul, and it showed.
Also, how in the world did noone make Lucic pay? Or Pacioretty or any of the other multitude of players that took a run at Ranger stars this year. Obviously saving management jobs by making the playoffs was far more important than the health of the players.
side note: How fantastic is the Bruins commentator for the line "As many moves as Tarzan with a 60 foot rope" in regards to Nash?
In today's NHL something like this unfortunately falls on the medical staff's shoulders. If they give the green light why wouldn't the coach play hags, cally or nash? I know there has been talk that Torts forced some of these guys to play through the injuries and not get surgery right from the get go too. If that's the case, I'd say his shot of getting re-hired by another team is slim to none. Especially for a team like the Canucks with the Sedins, would the GM want to risk losing these guys long term cause of a coach being stubborn? Either way, this whole situation is not looking so good for the Rangers organization...
And there's the Catch 22. We all love warriors, and we love it when players play through significant pain, injuries, etc. (see Gregory Campbell) Is it smart? No. Is it beneficial to the team? No, except maybe on an emotional level. (i.e. Willis Reed) Do you risk further significant injuries and long term damage? Yes.
Until we can change the culture of "playing through pain", this is all just a self perpetuating problem, both by players, fans, the whole culture within sports. Now, by no means am I advocating sitting out cause you have a sore body part, or a slight sprain, or a cold. Playing through non-threatening injuries that don't hamper your performance significantly is a worthy thing and should be respected. (like that scene in Miracle, when Herb Brooks asks Doc if McClanahan can play without injuring his knee any further) What I'm talking about is players, who risk further injury or actually hinder the team, just because they feel the need to "man up" due to the underlying culture.
I've actually witnessed people get significantly hurt, and people telling them to "suck it up" and get back out on the field, and this was in school/rec leagues. Imagine the what the same pressure must be like at the pro level. (Amonte calling out Marian Hossa on national TV about being "soft" when who knows how hurt Hossa really is)
Yep, let's all blame the coach, or the doctors, or the GM. Bottom line is this, if the player does not feel right after a hit, sit the eff out until you do feel right!! All this machismo crap is just that!! If you want to do what's best for your team, then don't effin play until you're sure you're not going hurt yourself anymore. Playing through pain is fine and admirable, IF you are sure there will be no further injury. A Playing through a concussion or a separated shoulder falls squarely on the players. It's not admirable, it's just effin stupid. You hurt yourself, your team, and the fans. Friggin' morons!
Complete speculation from me but you have to wonder if the concussion affected him in the playoffs. If that's the case the entire Rangers medical staff should be fired.
Unconscionable at the human level to let someone play with a concussion in light of all we know. (Particularly the NYR who watched Boogaard die first hand.)
Inept at an organizational level to jeopardize the future production of your own players (Hags and Cally).
Inconceivably stupid to not recognize that without even considering the statements above that it doesn't even help you in the present to put out an injured player over a replacement. THIS was borne out in reality as we all saw that NONE of these players contributed very much at all. Are you saying that their replacements could not have NOT performed as well. LOL.
This organization is becoming an embarrassment.
the injury secrets in my opinion fall on torts. if anyone leaked anything they'd have to answer to the wrath of torts. 8 or 9 separated shoulders!? I know I've said that I dislocated my shoulder on here before, but I can't stress the loss of strength that comes with that. grabbing the remote a few weeks after my injury was a daunting task! I have no idea how Cally and hags performed with that going on. no idea. I hope Viggy has a better head on his shoulders than freakin torts.
The NHL really needs to step in and require teams to disclose injuries like the NFL does. I don't care how tight lipped coaches want to be, player safety is first and foremost.
@Skunkman yes you do
@Josh6 I could understand maybe one or two separated shoulders, but NINE!!!!!
@RichardMolinari Edwards is hysterical.
@shoot_the_goalie Look at RGIII with Redskins last year. Could have destroyed his career before it even started.
@gravey94 While I agree with you, I feel it's the medical staff's job to make the tough decision to go against the player's wishes and tell the coach he can't play.
@KevinDeLury pretty sure i saw a write up about him the other day, didn't check it out tho. Gonna go find it and give it a read.