After announcing that he was leaving the Rangers organization, Mark Messier told Larry Brooks at the New York Post that it was Glen Sather who approached him about pursuing the head coach vacancy...
“When the Ranger job became open, Glen asked me if I had interest in it. After talking to my wife about it and what that kind of commitment would mean to our lives and our family, I told Glen I would be interested."
Messier added that he told Sather he wanted to go through the process like everyone else.
"The Captain" also addressed his lack of coaching experience...
“I have tremendous respect for the coaching fraternity and for the art of coaching,” Messier told The Post. “I don’t take it lightly. I understand the benefit of experience.
“But I have a lot of experience in this game and in winning. I’m not 32. I’m 52. There’s a little bit of water under the bridge. I’ve learned a lot. My experience shouldn’t be discounted or under-appreciated, either.”
Messier finished by stating that he feels confident he could do a great job as a coach in taking a team to another level.
...while I understand it was Sather who initiated Messier's interest, my issue is with the sense of entitlement. Look at that last quote. Even after being passed over because of his lack of experience he still feels he doesn't need to put in the time in the AHL or as an assistant. It sounds as if he'll continue with the Kingsbridge National Ice Center until a NHL team comes calling about a head coaching job. He might be waiting for awhile.
...and for those calling this a non-story, huh? The greatest Ranger of all time decides to leave the organization after being passed over for the head coach vacancy and you don't think it's a big deal? And trust me, the last thing I want to do is sit here and rip Messier, but when I started this blog I promised myself I was going to be brutally honest even if meant chopping down a Rangers legend or pissing my readership off. The day I decide to water down my commentary or compromise my thoughts to make the readership happy is the day this blog begins to suck.
If Mess is confident he could have taken this team to another level then so am I. He's done it at every other level of his career. Why not? Having said that obviously we will never know the real story but from these quotes it sounds like Slats gave him the opportunity to try out for the position. Not just give him the helm. Originally I thought that Mess would come in amidst a frenzy of media - as a marketing strategy but I've come to realize in light of the Richey debacle that covering his ass is Slats' priority now and hiring a coach with zero experience, even if that man happens to be the greatest leader in sports would not serve that interest. Too risky in light of his recent follies (like 2/3 of the way through the season sayin "duh, we underestimated the impact that losing these guys would have")
U didn't piss me off. I just don't agree it's a story. Especially since you don't know his true feelings its just your perception of what u think he feels. As for a sense of entitlement that's not what he is saying. He is saying he has confidence in himself so he thinks he can be a great coach w-out going to the minors. In other words he has extreme self confidence. Guess what that's what made him Messier. Remember people told him Gretzky is traded so no more Cups for the Oilers. Then he won a Cup. He came to tge Rangers & everyone said your nuts. No one can win a Cup there. He wanted Nielson fired everyone said he was wrong. Guess what? He won a Cup & was right again. He is Mark Messier its not a sense of entitlement.....it's self confidence. IT'S THAT CONFIDENCE THAT MADE HIM THE BEST LEADER SPORTS HAS EVER SEEN.
Sounds like Sather invited him the opportunity, and then realized he just wasn't the right guy for the job.
For god's sake, can we move beyond 94? Yes, it was the greatest moment as a Ranger fan, but he has no business coaching this team. Neither does Leetch or Richter or Barry Beck or Jan Erixon. Let him go off and sulk and do his motivational speaking and let a pro coach this team.
I think all great athletes share two things: cockiness and pride. Those are the attributes you are seeing from Mess now. It's what made him great then, and why we should (although we disagree with him) try to understand his position now.
He thought he was the best when he played and he owned the game. He thinks he'd be the best coach now, and that's the only mental approach he knows to take to be a great coach.
Let's put this in perspective of the average employee at an average business. You've been there for a long time and are a proven asset. A department head position opens up and you are asked if interested in the job by the CEO. After an evaluation process they decide to go w/ someone else. What would be your reaction? When the CEO first approaches you and asked "are you interested" of course you say yes and of course, based on your track record you are excited and are expecting the job. Afterwards, the shock n disappointment come in from being passed over. Are you really going to continue to work for that same company when you can easily go elsewhere? This has nothing to do w/ a sense of "self-entitlement" and more to do w/ the fact that Messier believed he was the best man for the job and wasn't given the opportunity to prove it. Don't be surprised when he ends up coaching elsewhere.
I am glad that Sather made the decision he did in by-passing Mess as coach. That said, I don't fault Mess one bit for moving on. If he really wanted to coach, he'd have already been doing it somewhere, anywhere. But I don't think that's the case. He wanted to coach the New York Rangers, period. Unrealistic, yes, but if this story's true, it's Sather who put the bug in his ear that he was capable of doing it and would be seriously considered. I don't view his comments as "entitlement." Mess' self confidence is what we all love about him and what has made him such an awesome winner and leader. I think he's hurt. He's a proud guy and he's angry about Sather's comments about "needing to sit behind the bench" somewhere else (especially since it seems that Sather is the one who got Mess interested in the first place). I think Mess came to realize that he's wasting his time being Sather's butt boy and that his old pal can't be trusted, so he's going to do something he can be proud of and where he'll have an impact. I respect him for it. Oh, and Sather's an ass.
Messier showing his true colors as a petulant crybaby. If he played now with the scrutiny of Internet blogs, etc. I think he wouldn't have the reputation he has. Somewhere Roger Neilson is smiling and I'm sure Trevor Linden, Tom Renney, Mike Gartner, Petr Nedved and a few other first class people have a little smile. Even though I despise Torts and rejoiced at his firing I found it slightly odd that Bob Mackenzie referenced Messier as to organization not being happy with him. And then made perfect sense when Mess wanted job.
I'm going to have to agree here I was never a fan of the idea of Mess coaching with so little experience at this point in the game w our players and where they are at... AV was the better choice imo.
kevin do not apologize! even the greatest legends ruin their legacies after they've built it. We are talking about this now, but it will be forgotten not long after and this will be a blip how he is remembered, not the sole reason why.
Also, if messier wanted to go through the process, then he got what he asked for, a fair assessment of if he could do the job, and ultimately someone was noted as a better candidate. The one i would blame here is sather for putting the bug in his head.
Unfortunately therre are 6 people in Ranger's history that you do not criticize. These are a select few and no matter what they do you respect and hold them in the highest regard. The 6 I will name are essentially above the law and comments containing even the slightest hint of disrespect or lack of reverence automatically makes you criminal and removes all credibility from you. It makes you obsolete and irrelevant.
Under no circumstances do you speak remotely negative about Mark Messier, Brian Leetch, Mike Richter, Adam Graves, Same Rosen or Eddie Giacomin. Ever, no matter what, period.
If one of these six shot the president, they obviously had a good reason for it and he apparently deserved it.
I wonder if Mess was Larry Brooks' source over the years. Brooks always seemed a step ahead of all the other beat writers.
I don't begrudge Mess one bit and in fact laugh at the hypocrisy of people.
What position in the world is NOT filled with leveraging one's position; networking (i.e. who you know) etc...? Yes....all of ours are.
Mess understands the water he carries and is going to use it to bypass the traditional route. EVERY single coach would have done the same except....their names wouldn't allow it. Sure, coaching experience matters, but Mess' name gets him the opportunity to learn on the job. Look, it's not like it can't be learned. The franchise gets the cache of Messier's legend in turn for a bit of risk as they wait for Mess to learn on the job. They're giving him no special treatment - they're getting something back as well.
This notion of "entitlement" alludes to expecting something undeserved - and I MORE than anyone, can't stand people like that. But...this is not that. He thinks he has a value and is willing to try and leverage that value. Time will tell if he is correct in the assessment of that value. I DO think that that value was probably greatest in NY, but we'll see.
I frankly don't give a rat's ass about this. I have my own leveraging to do.
@ThrSage Very good points
Jan Erixon !!!
@calithirteen So are you saying that everyone who gets passed up on for a promotion quits? That hasn't been my experience.
And don't be surprised if he does coach somewhere in the NHL that he struggles because he thought experience as a player would magically transform him into a good coach.
@HadEnough1 You forgot Chris Kostopoulous
@HadEnough1 Rod Gilbert?
@jmacwilli Two words for you: Patrick Roy.
Yes he's been there and he's been an asset. But just because a department head position opens up, you don't just promote the Human Resources guy to lead your IT department. Sather gave him the courtesy of an interview at which point I think Sather realized that Mess was not qualified. We constantly rip Sather for his decision making but this time he made the right choice.
@KevinDeLury @calithirteen : I think most people who get passed up for a promotion they believe they deserve would leave in a heartbeat if they had a better opportunity. Messier is not by any means desperate for a job hence the reason he's working w/ youth hockey in the bronx. Listen the verdict is out on whether he will be a good coach. Eveyone claims he needs more experience. Well sometimes that's true (Gretzky) sometimes its not (larry bird). The nets are taking a chance w/ Jason Kidd but also aren't expected to do much. I get why Messier was passed over. It would have been a big risk going w/ Messier but I don't think his reaction screams of "self-entitlement".
@KevinDeLury @calithirteen After 5 years in the same job, while the prospect of further promotion is dangled in front of you but never happens? Yes, I'd quit, especially if I feel that I can contribute more and had something else I'd like to do. Who knows what he'll do? Maybe he will coach, maybe not. But he's not acting like a spoiled brat for quitting. What he's going to do is a great service to hockey and the NY community. (Oh, and there's NO WAY he is going to get the GM job over Gorton and/or Shoney.)
@KevinDeLury @calithirteen I find that if your a good employee at a company and the CEO knows who you are and comes to you and asks you if you'd like to apply for a job your under qualified for, you stay no matter what, because it shows, they have faith in you and soon enough you'll get something better. True in life and true in Messier's case Cough** GM **Cough
In the end, I would have enjoyed seeing Mess coach, either hoping for it to be great, or a train wreck. Mediocre would have been unbearable. Watching Mess go on to more huge success, or watching how he handled a complete flame-out would have been entertaining.
I am excited for AV now though and could not care less about what Mess is doing.
Entitlement is definitely the right word. He's acting like some cute girl's long-time friend who thinks she flirts with him and deserves to date her because he's always been there and "gets" her. And then he's offended when she chooses someone else. He's acting like Ducky.