According to the New York Rangers, Mark Messier will be leaving the organization. Here's his statement....
“I would like to thank the New York Rangers and particularly Glen Sather for giving me the opportunity over the last four years to work with the Rangers. I am resigning my position with the Team to pursue an opportunity to expand the game of hockey in the New York area by developing the Kingsbridge National Ice Center. Although some will perceive this as a reaction to the coaching decision, nothing could be further from the truth. I completely respect the decision that was made and for all the reasons it was made. I harbor no hard feelings toward Glen or the Rangers. This is a personal choice I am making to create a program in the New York area that will give our children more choices and opportunities in the future. I wish the Rangers nothing but the best in the future.“
For more on the Kingsbridge National Ice Center, click here.
More Sather: I think (not being named coach), that's part of his decision, but we all have to live our own lives the way we decide to do it— Steve Zipay (@stevezipay) June 27, 2013
...yikes, I guess he took the snub harder than I anticipated. The fact that he went out of his way to dismiss not getting the head coach position as the reason for him leaving, clinches that it was.
...i really have to question Messier here. How can he go from wanting to be the head coach of the New York Rangers to leaving the organization to build the game of hockey in the Bronx a week later? Makes me even more confident that Sather made the right decision passing over "The Captain." Obviously, he is not ready to put in the proper time, work and dedication it takes to be a successful NHL coach.
...i really hope at some point he changes his mind and comes back to the Rangers and the NHL. The league needs him to remain involved.
i gotta be one of the few rangers fans who always thought this guy was only in it for the money. after we won the cup in '94 he told us to either pay me ridiculous money or i'm gone. so he went to Vancouver and when he didn't do squat there he came crawling back here and didn't do squat here either. now he gets all huffy about not getting the coaching job and does the same thing. give me what I want or i'm leaving. so, are we gonna cave when he wants to come crawling back or are we finally gonna tell him thanks but no thanks. as for me, good riddance.
so let me get this str8, you think that sather made the right decision because Mark decided to leave the organization n work w/ youth hockey in the bronx after they had once offered him this job years ago and now gave it to someone else? I'm not saying Messier was right for the job but don't think that this reflects poorly on his character. He obviously wanted the job, felt ready for it, and now felt snubbed. And don't think that for 1 moment that he doesn't have his ear to the ground looking for new potential coaching positions throughout the NHL and AHL. I just hope he ends up behind the bench for the Rangers one day.
I just laugh at this arrogant "gotta be some special miracle worker to coach in the NHL" mentality. Messier can do whatever he wants and could get a coaching job tomorrow. Why does everyone think this revolving door of "pro" coaches means a thing? The Torts/Vigneault swap is such a joke. Pretty much any HoF'er with 20 years experience and a personality can coach a team. It's the BS ass-kissing business end they don't tolerate as well. Mess was never an ass-kisser so he'll go teach kids to play hockey. What's wrong with that?! It's created a whole new generation of fans in Philly.
Mess won us a Cup. I dont give a flying baba booey what he wants to do. If he wanted to be coach and this is sour grapes, so be it. He can never do wrong by me. Even if he goes and coaches NJD or NYI. He is the captain and always will be. Though this notion of building hockey in the bronx is kinda funny. I think its just a side project and when people arent looking he is going to be coaching an NHL team within 2 years. Either way, #11 can do nothing to take away 94 for me
My two cents. We have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe Mess was "promised" things by the NYR, put in his time (even if it wasn't getting coaching experience), and then those promises were reneged due to changing situations. Or maybe he's being a petulant child who's entitled cause he thinks he's the greatest NYR ever. We just don't know.
What I do think we can take out of this is that fans clearly care more about organizational loyalties than those coaches, players, management that actually work for these organizations. For better or for worse, we as fans tend to distort other people's motives in respects to an organization, because we are fiercely loyal, frankly, because we don't have a major stake or true consequences in the organization.
When it comes down to it, Mark Messier is going to do what's best for Mark Messier in the end, and that's not a bad thing, even if us fans always want Mark Messier to do what's best for the NYR.
Messier left because slather won't listen to me about signing a guy who hits like this guy http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=bh_o_DoO5-Y&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dbh_o_DoO5-Y
I kinda wanted to see Mess behind the bench - despite his lack of experience I thought he could do a good job, but can you blame the Org for wanting a guy with experience back there, especially given the fact that our window for a cup is pretty narrow. Wish he would have stuck around though, gone through the steps and earned a future head coaching position the right way. To leave the Rangers for youth hockey development? WTF?? Like just about every other bit of news with this team there's got to be a lot more to this story.
WHAT THE FUCK.... .HOW DO THEY DO IT!!!! Pittsburgh offers Letang a 8 year 54 million dollar contract!!!! I swear they have a much higher cap than our team...
Sather said what I've been thinking- that Messier could make a great head coach in the NHL, but he needs some experience behind the bench to get there. Just like anyone else.
He is such an ego maniac.! He isnt bigger then the organization! If he really cared about the RANGERS, then he would do his time in AHL or become assistant GM. GOODBYE
I think Messier will make a better Front Office guy then Coach. He doesn't seem to really want to coach.
We all put him on such a high pedestal because of what he did for this organization and it is very much deserved. But the fact is he left the Rangers to go to Vancouver when he didn't get his way and he is doing the same thing now. I love Messier, but I hope this serves as a message to the Rangers that unless we are prepared to give The Captain the keys to the ferrari next time, he has no place being a part of this organization.
IN MEMORY OF THE DEPARTED MESSIER..
I can't bash Messier. Just can't do it. He wanted a new challenge and got passed over for a job he wasn't qualified for. Now he has a new challenge. Good luck, Mess, and see ya in a couple of years when you come back to replace Sather.
Messier showing his true colors as a petulant crybaby. If he played now with the scrutiny of Internet blogs, etc. I think he wouldn't have the reputation he has. Somewhere Roger Neilson is smiling and I'm sure Trevor Linden, Tom Renney, Mike Gartner, Petr Nedved and a few other first class people have a little smile. Even though I despise Torts and rejoiced at his firing I found it slightly odd that Bob Mackenzie referenced Messier as to organization not being happy with him. And then made perfect sense when Mess wanted job.
scratch that. I'd like to see him coach major junior. I think that would be a great way to learn. coach the Kitchener Rangers and then coach the New York Rangers...someday.
Mark Messier can do or say whatever he likes. Until he walks out on to center ice at the Garden, drops his draws and takes a dump on the Ranger logo he will always get a pass. Don't forget what he did for this team and its fans.
And I don't want to see him tarnish his legacy as one of the greatest leaders in sports history by taking some coaching job.
Go teach and expand this great sport and live out your days basking in well deserved adulation and admiration.
This just shows that he was never serious about the job to begin with. If he wanted to be an NHL head coach, he would be leaving his position to be a coach somewhere, not to do whatever this thing is.
BTW, does anyone know what he actually did in his previous job with the rangers?
Heartbreaking but completely understandable. Big loss for the Rangers. Hope he gets a great coaching job down the road and makes the Rangers eat crow.
Mess is a legend, I for 1 wish him nothing but the best in this new endeavor! He got the shaft from Slats & the organization imo.
What are the chances we walk away tonight with a Lundqvist extension and a Richards buyout :) That would be a great night, and start to the summer!!!
Another non story. Who cares. I love Mess, loved what he did for us. I could care less if he is hurt not hurt left stayed who cares. You can't tell someone else how they should feel. Nor do we know the whole story. Maybe Mess was promised a bigger role & hasn't gotten it. Like Gravy said maybe he got tire of having no real role w-the organization other then "special advisor" Also like Gravy said below get over it. This has no bearing on what any mature person would think of Messier.
I have said this before, I will say it again. Having access to friends throughout sports almost 80% of the time most of us don't know the real reason for things. The "official" story very really is the real story. Want an example? How bout in 94 when Keenan left over a technicality of him not getting a bonus on time. Neil Smith acted outraged just outraged he said. Yeah right just like Pete Laurie in Casablanca. Then the truth came out. He & Keenan conspired together to violate the agreement cause they didn't want to be forced to work together. They hated each other & they both expected Keenan to leave until Gutowski said not until the sale to ITT goes thru. Then they came up w-that plan & no knew about it for a long time. So stop w-the nonsense & once again to quote the real sage of this blog Gravy...get over it.
Head Coach > Kingsbridge National Ice Center > Current Position. Simple logic. Stepping away doesn't mean he's leaving on bad terms.
Why would expect him to sit in the same position for the next 5 years when everyone knows he wants a coaching position. This opens up his options now that the Rangers head coach is closed. All the best to him.
Perhaps Messier had already decided to leave and the coaching job would have changed that decision so he is telling the truth to some degree. It is all semantics but at the end of the day he did not have opportunity to grow the way he may have wanted to in the organization and it was time for him to go. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm sure the prospect of being Glen Sather's personal cigar lighter for the next 5 years was tough to pass up. Seriously, you people need to stop acting like Messier ran over your dog! He was not going to be coach or GM in the foreseeable future, so what are his options? Hang around being a figurehead for the organization or go try to build a youth hockey program in the city he loves? Lighten the eff up people!
how much does this guy expect to make... jeez. Stay away NYR
If anyone here were to spend five minutes reading the comments section of any Messier-centric post on TSN (a canadian outlet) you will hate Messier. Greedy, egomaniac (he took number 11, the retired number of a dead Canuck player), drove players out of town, split the locker room, sued the team for monies not paid, etc etc. It's kinda depressing as a diehard rangers fan who was there for that cup run.
Disagree completely. Checketts gave the money to patrick ewing instead of messier....cant blame him during that time.
@AnnoyingJoe lol - i think i would still give him a pass on taking a dump at center ice, based on how crazy-badass of a move that would be.
@ThrSage How is the greatest Ranger of all-time leaving the organization a non-story? And I don't want to "get over it." It sucks.
@ThrSage im confused by this "get over it". what do you mean? not act disappointed? stop talking about the whole subject? not share opinions of how this went down? very strange.
@ThrSage another point that could be made, we walked away with the better coach after all this drama... at least in my opinion
@GraigGiuliani Mess. should have asked for the job after Trotier got fired and no one wanted to coach the Rangers except Renny. I think he was promised the GM job and then thay hired someone els as assistant GM. IMO.Sather shafted mess because he is a snake in the grass.I never trusted that guy but what goes around comes around and Slats. will get his also. POS.that he is.
@gravey94 read what people wrote. theyre disappointed that he left the organization like this. there was a sense of entitlement there that has turned a lot of people off. if he really wanted to be coach, he couldve taken up an assistant coach position in the ahl somewhere.
@gravey94 I'm with you on this one, Gravey. Mess is no spring chicken and probably wants to do something of import besides being Sather's gofer before he gets too old. I don't really think Mess wants to be a coach just anywhere -- he wanted to do it here. In NY. His "home." Call it unrealistic, but who knows what Sather promised him? In any case, it seems clear he was being led on by Sather, as he wasn't going to be GM or coach any time soon. This move is completely understandable, as Mess has been involved in the Kingsbridge project from its inception (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx-site-world-largest-indoor-ice-hockey-complex-article-1.1325130). At least he's doing something he can be proud to tell his grandchildren about after he ended his historic playing career. I think it's great for the city, and for hockey. More power to him.
@gravey94 It's not so much he left the organization, it's the reason he left. If he said it was to gain coaching experience then I would have wished him all the luck in the world, but how can he say he seriously wanted to be a head coach in the league when he runs off after being passed over for a position he had zero chance of getting.
@gravey94 then he never should have put his hat in the ring... and not have said "I need a couple days before I can talk to you again Glen"... which turned into a week and a half"....
@Josh6 i was shocked to see that too josh. i cant believe he turned that down. what is he hoping to get?
@Snot-Bubbler From a business standpoint, it made sense to give Ewing more. Basketball was and still is a higher revenue generator in NYC and you put the resources where you think you'll get the most in return. And it's not like Checketts was going to give Mess a petty contract. He just didn't think Mess was worth $20m over 3 years that VAN gave him, and Mess took that as an insult. Rumors were that Checketts was gonna offer 4.75m-5m a year for max 2 year deal, where Mess was looking for $6m a year, even though he was 36 and in decline (just look at how he was slower and manhandled in the 97 PHI series) In the end, simply, Mess went to the money, regardless of how much he talked about how his loyalties were in NY.
@Snot-Bubbler If he wanted to stay then, he could have. If he wanted to stay now, he could have. Simple as that.
@KevinDeLury @gravey94 Where's is he getting the experience??? Did Sather offer him the Whale job?? Did anyone else offer him a job we don't know about?? Perhaps that's what he's going to do eventually, or maybe he wants to be more of a hockey architect. Point is, NONE of us know ANYTHING about what his motivations are or what he wants to do. He probably took that "Special Assistant" job with the expectation that he would be coach or GM one day soon. Maybe Sather even promised that or hinted at it. But we know neither will happen anytime soon so he's moving on, which is what everyone else needs to do.
@Josh6 @gravey94 Why the hell not! If Sather didn't want to consider him, he could have said so at the time. Who wouldn't want to coach the Rangers. Was he upset, sure. Did he belong behind the bench, no. But that doesn't preclude him from deciding whether it's better to slip back into the MSG shadows or go out and do something else that he wants to do. Just because he's one of, if not THE, greatest Rangers ever does not mean he automatically has to suck it up to be part of the organization!
Move on meaning stop acting like he's O.J. Simpson (not necessarily you in particular). He took another job because the one he wanted was gone. It's not personal for anyone not named Mark Messier. Sure he could have taken a job with a minor league club by maybe he just didn't want to. He went for a dream job, didn't get it and now moves on. I think there's plenty to talk about. How about line combos...LOL!
You are correct, I have no idea the background of the situation or what Messier is thinking, but that's never stopped me from saying dumb things in the past.
Trust me the last thing I want to be doing is criticizing the Messiah.