According to Dan Rosen at NHL.com, Mark Messier has confirmed that he's been interviewed by the Rangers for their head coach vacancy....
"Yes, of course," Messier told NHL.com when asked Friday at United Center if he has formally interviewed with Rangers president and general manager Glen Sather. "That was one thing I wanted to have happen, to go through the process like everybody else and to experience that, and to give Glen the opportunity to make a decision that he feels comfortable with."
...this obviously isn't much of a surprised as he's been considered a top candidate from Day 1, but I guess it's news that he's actually been interviewed.
...while I'm still against his candidacy, one argument that has me starting to lean the other way regarding Messier is that the Rangers have ONE Stanley Cup in the last 73 years. How much worse can he actually make it?
...and yes, I am aware today is the anniversary of 1994, but I refuse to celebrate the fact that the Rangers haven't won a Stanley Cup in 19 years.
In other interviewing news, the LA Times reports that Kings General Manager Dean Lombardi said that assistant coach John Stevens is expected to interview with the Rangers.
This is the second report this week linking Stevens with the Rangers.
...i'm a fan of Stevens. I think he did a great job in Philly and has obviously followed that up with an impressive run in LA.
For more of my thoughts on Stevens, click here.
i don't claim to know everything about everything, but i used to be a supervisor, area manager,it takes certain skills to be a leader, i sure wouldn't want a moron to lead me in war-no disrespect to all but some people talk like they couldn't fight their way outta a paperbag, hire VIGNEAULT...
Oscar Lindberg invited to Swedish olympic preparatory camp. How good is this guy? I'd say he must be pretty good judging by the other forwards invited including Hags. He's a two way center who is good on faceoffs, can score and was the MVP in the SEL playoffs in case you're not familiar with him.
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i want a cup. i dont live in the past. i want a cup NOW. in the present. the past is the past. messier, the best captain in professional sports has no coaching experience.
he has no coaching experience.
he has no experience.
no experience as a coach.
Alain Vigneault has indicated to the Dallas Stars that he no longer wants to be considered for the head coaching position there. #TSN
Like I said the day Torts was canned I believe they had already chosen Mess even before they officially announced Torts' dismissal. Of course they would have to go through the formalities of interviewing other candidates to conceal it all, and yes this is a business. A big business so the way they go about the process of "choosing" their coach is nothing more than a a huge marketing campaign. Then comes the big announcement "We (cough cough) after long deliberation have decided to name Mark Messier as the new coach of the NY Rangers. Then ticket sales increase, merch sales double, TV ratings soar and advertising fees go up. Excitement stirs: "The man who brought us the cup as Capt. is now the head coach. Can he do it again??? Will lightning strike twice??? Big business. Big media circus. We'll see if I'm right but if Mess is our new coach you can pretty much bet that it was all planned out from day one.
Hey...I really don't care who they get as coach. (They're not winning anything until they get some more talent.) If Mess is the coach it is fine with me. We can't lose the cup any more than we have been. Still, if you think leadership on the ice will translate to leadership behind the bench I think you are wrong. A leader on the ice never has to make unpopular decisions, or discipline players, or cut ice time. Can Mess be a hard-ass when he needs to be? Nobody knows. As for him garnering respect by virtue of his pedigree, well...I would say more than half of the players (and it will grow every year) don't have any recollection of him playing at all. It would probably be more fun for me to watch as I saw Mess play since he was a rookie. I just don't think the coach of the Rangers matters that much until Sather puts together a better team. Hey, in the end it is all about entertainment and frankly, this year was not entertaining at all. The company that is the NYR better fix that somehow.
Is it just me or does the "yes, of course" and "that was one thing I wanted to have happen, go through the process like everybody else" comments make it seem like he has the job and the interview was just a formality.
Great tweet Kevin. Well if it's Mess, Slats better get him some good assistants starting with Stevens. Maybe Guy Boucher?
Kevin, glad to see you taking up the point that hiring Mess is not exactly abandoning a winning path. What...they can't NOT win with Messier as well as they have not won over almost the past century? LOL Look...after 1 cup in 73 years I think you have "earned" the right to try something different. By virtue of everything that Messier has done for the Rangers and Rangers fans hasn't he similarly earned the right to be that something different?? Case closed. Now go get some more talent, Slats!!
Wally Backman of The NY Mets Minor League Franchise said it today on ESPN sports radio. Teach young players how to win is a major part of Leadership Development. This is what Mess will bring to the coaching program. Imagine as a player getting called to the coaches office after practice by Messier. Messier: Did you give the team 110% last game? Player ahah yes, then the Messier stare!! Great I need 40% more next game.
Please oh please let this be Rangers management extending Messier the courtesy of an interview because of what he's meant to the franchise and maybe because they might be looking at him for an assistant coach position and NOT because they're seriously looking at him for the head coaching job. I'd like to see the Rangers win another Cup while I'm still young enough to go to the victory parade without a walker.
Ok...May 27, 1994..the day my first child was born. Also the day of Matteau! Matteau! Matteau! My daughter was born at 3pm. My next words to the nurse was "do you get ESPN here?" My wife was freaking out during those overtimes. She said "they have to win. You will remember this day forever!" A couple of weeks later we won the Cup. I promised myself that I would never complain about the Rangers again....lol. I bought into the sign "Now I can die in peace." Messier gave that to us and I have a blind faith that he can do it again if he feels he is ready. Call me nuts! Whatever the case....I won't complain.
Said it before and I'll say it again, Messier has more Cup experience than ANY of the coaches linked to the Rangers. Sure, he doesn't have "coaching" experience, but with a team devoid of Cup winners, it makes a lot of sense to me to bring in a guy who has won the damn thing 5 times AND ended one of the most infamous curses in sports. They could do a helluva lot worse than hiring Messier to guide this team.
Had a thought the other day. I know he's 80, but I wonder if Scotty Bowman would give it another shot to see if he could pull off the hat trick of Original 6 Cup winners. Dare to dream eh?
I originally felt the same as many of you on Mess and the HC job... dont tarnish his rep, he has no experience, etc..
However, after much thought, I am now pro-mess as the next head coach. I think we have a decent team (better than avg for sure) which is actually beneficial for a new coach (see Gretz in AZ to see what happens when you put a rookie HC and young inexperienced team together). I for one, think the HC is over-rated a bit anyway. It matters, sure.. but what matters most is player production on the ice. I dont think our guys will forget to play because mess is here. I DO think the HC matters in terms of the room and mentality of the team, and I think Mess can only help in that regard. So I say, bring him on, and maybe ask Shonfeld to be his assistant so he has some guidance in the x's and o's dept.
I dont think he makes the team worse and imagine the upside! I dont think Mess is one to be scared to tarnish his image.. if he was, he wouldnt be HC material anyway.
Second season - However, as stunning as their fall from grace was the previous season, Stevens guided the Flyers to an immediate renaissance in 2007–08. The Flyers won 42 games and amassed 95 points in the regular season under Stevens's guidance. In the playoffs, the Flyers beat the Washington Capitals in the first round and upset the top-seededMontreal Canadiens in the second round before falling to the Pittsburgh Penguins in the Eastern Conference Finals. For this, The Hockey News honored Stevens with their Coach of the Year award.
John Stevens - His first season with the Flyers saw his team set a franchise record for consecutive losses (10 games) and finish the 2006–07 season with the club's worst record in its 40-year history. The Flyers set an NHL record for the biggest drop off in points from one season to the next – 101 points in the 2005–06 season to 56 points in the 2006–07 season for lowest point total in the league.
thats a cop out argument about Messier. Shouldnt you always be looking to be better and more consistent instead of the status quo. saying you cant make it much worse is like saying its ok that we have only won 1 cup in the last 73 years...i mean, we all keep coming back for more, but we shouldnt have that attitude.
@shishya100 Why is Henrik Lunqvist not on this list???
@shishya100 sick list of players. swedish hockey players are unreal.
@jmacwilli Yeah, it was down right boring to watch a Rangers game this year! No doubt. I think you make some really good points here JM. Not sure I totally agree on the no talent issue. I see it as more of an issue that Torts is not good at exploiting the talent he has, despite his savvy and ability to get the most out of certain types of players. From a pure talent perspective we match up pretty well to a team like the Bruins IMHO and of course we have the great equilizer (the King) but what we lack is size and physical play, actually just physical play as we are a pretty big team - physical play, grit, depth and getting our biggest men to play like big men. The talent is there I believe but we really need a bit more depth, toughness and scoring from the blue line, and maybe another scorer/power forward to be one of the top contenders next year. I'd also say as far as Mess goes that leadership is leadership on or off the ice. Doesn't matter. Either you got it or you don't and he's one of the best in the business. He will take that leadership skill behind the bench with him. No problem. Your points are valid - I'm just throwing out another perspective. As Capt. he was hard on certain players. He called out those who did not put forth the effort, the soft players etc. No, he never had to cut ice time but he did have to do certain things that coaches do and did it well. My concerns with him are not whether he can take those on ice leadership skills behind the bench because I really don't see a problem with that but rather his lack of experience and whether he will be a balanced leader as a coach or will he become more of a "megalomaniac" back there and make short sighted, emotional decisions much the way Torts did. I'd be psyched to see Mess behind the bench. Honestly I can't say whether this would be a great thing or turn into a disaster but I'd be pretty psyched to see what happens.
@JBianco It sure sounded like that to me....and a little carelessly worded at that. Unusual for him.
@JBianco absolutely you think he'd put his reputation on the line. He must know that he has it.
@jslnyr1102 Those would be excellent choices
@RicanRangerFan Everyone who goes through the system knows who Mess is. The greatest all around player. The greatest leader. Doesn't matter how young, how old. Everyone knows who Mark Messier is. He's already earned the respect to successfully coach this team. He has the skills. In the end however you can't learn to swim until you jump in the water. Can he pull it off without a lick of experience???
@RicanRangerFan nothing against messier,but being aleader is not easy; talk is running thin.HIRE VINGAULT NOW
@queensbee ahhh, WISDOM. thank you.
@gravey94 "Sure, he doesn't have "coaching" experience, but with a team devoid of Cup winners, it makes a lot of sense to me to bring in a guy who has won the damn thing 5 times AND ended one of the most infamous curses in sports."
isn't "coaching" what is required for the job of coach? c'mon man. this is one of those things where it would best be served to think with your head and not your heart. sorry to drop a turd in the punchbowl, you know, but i think i got a point.
@nyr94 Do you think that Mess can inspire the team though without being able to lead by example. Its not like he can garauntee a win and then go score three goals to make it happen as the HC...
third season- Stevens was fired by the Flyers on December 4, 2009 after a 13–11–1 start and with a team expected to be a Stanley Cup favorite sitting in 10th place in the Eastern Conference.
@Josh6 Now why don't you tell us what he did in his second year.
@mlsranger Like I said, I'm still against him getting the job as bringing in an inexperienced coach for a win now team is a recipe for disaster, but the fact remains that for the last 73 years the Rangers have brought in coaches with tons of experience and only ONE of them got the job done.
@mlsranger thats an unfair analysis.... the guy is a leader... in my opinion that is the most important trait for a head coach. And clearly he knows hockey, hopefully he has some assistants that can show him the ropes too.
@Rangers3024 Bubble burst! Well it is the safe move
@IcyCup @gravey94 The biggest part of "coaching" at this level is motivating your players. They all know the Xs and Os, they need someone to get them to lay as a team. Not sure there's someone better at motivating players than Messier. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the Messier or bust camp. I'd be just as happy with Vigneault. I'm just not a believer that Messier can't do the job just as well as any of these other "experienced" coaches.
@mlsranger @nyr94 True.. and if I knew for sure, Id be GM! What makes you think he cannot inspire the team? He has certainly earned a long leash with the players just showing up in the room. Im thinking he will be smart enough to learn from his mistakes. The man learned how to win, learned how to lead men (in the locker room too) and has been a winner every where he has gone (Vancouver aside). I dont think its a given, but Im not against giving him the shot at this point. That said, Im also good with AV or a more experienced guy..Im just saying I feel better than I did at first is all.
That's exactly it. What have any of these "experienced" coached got us? 2 ECF apearances? Big deal, we want the Cup and Mess knows better than any of the other coaches what it takes to get there. He has, what 6 Cups? Is that right? His name is on the Cup 6 times.
Yea I think he's the right guy for the job we need help offensively and he's good offensive coach and a players coach exactly what the team needs after torts. I also think Vingeault can fix our PP, I wouldn't mind seeing Messier as an assistant tho.
@IcyCup @Betweentheworlds @gravey94 I'm hearing Vingeault got it. All these guys have flawed records - Messier's a proven winner but no experience. Still think being a winner trumps experience. Guess the Rangers can't think outside the box either. Official announcement tomorrow/ Rumor? anyone know???
@nyr94 @mlsranger I can't think of a guy better suited to inspire the team. He's done it at all levels, he can do it behind the bench. No he can't go out and score goals but a winner is a winner and he can adapt his skills to a new set of parameters - this is even more important than experience - hmm, ADAPT - this is a word I haven't seen attached to a NY Rangers coach for quite some time...
@nyr94 @mlsranger i think having the magic touch to inspire guys in a big game when you walk in and you're a treat/guest is different than having to do it on a nightly basis and hold the attention of the team. the players run the locker room (see torts) so if the message gets old quick, it could have longer term impact for the team (i.e. king henrik). Just really hesitant about having a setback to the dark days of sather because he is giving all of his buddies contracts left and right.
@NYRFan_RF1 how many times is his name on the cup for coaching? zero. how many as a player? all of them of course. thats a weak argument. theres no time (check the cap trouble coming after this next season for the rangers) to diddle around with a feel-good approach to setting the table for winning a stanley cup.
@Josh6 @KevinDeLury @mlsranger He's got everything going for him except experience including the most important thing - a legacy of winning. I'm willing to bet he knows this game better than most of these "experienced" coaches. He's been around the block enough to take the reigns even without "experience". Would it be a gamble? Of course but without risk there's no reward. I still think that instead of hiring one of these "experienced coaches" who all, in one way or another have flawed resumes (and who collectively have not won as many cups as Mess did as a player).- take a gamble. think outside the box. give "The Franchise" a shot.