Bob McKenzie at TSN reports that the Rangers and Henrik Lundqvist's representatives were to begin contract extension talks last night.
...i think if Lundqvist signs a contract with the Rangers, he wants it to be long term. No way he's going to sign a five-year deal that would put him into free agency during his late 30s and likely the beginning of his decline. He'd lose a ton of money.
...having said that, I'd hate to see Sather just roll over for the guy. Giving him a 8-year, $80 million contract could really hamstring the Rangers capwise for years to come. There's been plenty of Cup winners recently with nothing more than above average goaltenders, so if Lundqvist is going to play hardball it might be time to seriously think about trading the guy (gasp!) for a huge package that could set the Rangers up for success for years to come.
Meanwhile, Glen Sather told Steve Zipay at Newsday that a decision on Brad Richards is "coming shortly."
...of course it is, the deadline to use the compliance buyout is Thursday night.
...getting a weird feeling that he's staying for another year. Although, I'm starting to warm to the idea of Lecavalier in a Blueshirt.
Finally, Larry Brooks at the New York Post notes that the Rangers are not committed to re-signing impending free agent winger Ryan Clowe.
...that'll happen when a player sustains two concussions in less than a month.
...some of you have said you're not concerned about reoccuring concussions for Clowe, but because of his style of play I think it's a real risk bringing him back. And even if he decides to pull back on the physical play a bit, who the heck wants a "Clowe Light" on the team? One or two year deal at $2.5 - $3 million per tops.
you can have 25 players on a team, a great coach, if all 25 ONLY GIVE 95%; then you have problem (s) . every one has to commit, changing players all the time is not always good.
If Hank wants to win, Sather has to have the room to add as needed. Every move you make to add or subtract is a gamble. You can't look at it like that. Some of the best players ever to play the game never got to a Cup. All you can do as a GM is use your knowledge of the game to evaluate talent. All Sather can do is try to put the best players he can on the ice. Other variables are always in play
MONEY TALKS.everything else doesn't matter.WHO IS out there if no hank??the richards deal could BITE THE RANGERS IN THE ASS IF he gets hurt; say hit hard, a concussion.they need at least a couple of players. a better d man an who can SCORE!!!!
Fine, don't take Clowe. But you need someone maybe two people like him. LAST YEARS TEAM WAS TOO SOFT TO WIN A CUP... Regardless of the coach.
Lundqvist has been the MVP of the NHL the last 2 years. No player on any team means more to his team. Think of the NYR with Marty Biron as their primary net minder. Pittsburgh has won without Malkin and Crosby. Washington won without Ovechkin being Ovechkin. How would the NYR do without Lundqvist for 3 months or so? And this from a Devils' fan.
It makes no sense to trade Lundqvist. He's carried the Rangers into the playoffs on his shoulders for the last few seasons and everyone knows it.
Not that I disagree, but I think the Kings would have won if Bernier were in net as teams were simply shut down against them. Chicago won a Cup with Niemi, then let him go...and won another. And Niemi is up for the Vezina this year. I think great defense and above average goaltending wins Cups these days and the GM's know it. Not sure you'll ever see a goalie go first overall ever again.
Well last year I believe the Kings don't win without Quick and the Devils don't make it to the cup without the play of Brodeur...look at the Pens.... Can't make a better team and they don't have a quality Goalie
Here's how I imagine this discussion going:
Sather: Mr. Dolan, given the new economic and as a result, the competitive climate of today's NHL it is management's strong recommendation that we buy out the remainder of Brad Richards' contract. We view it as a necessity to be able to compete for a championship which I'm sure you understand, will more than recover the lost dollars in terms of playoff games, merchandise, and concessions, etc.
Dolan: So I just paid 60 million for this guy for 2 years based on your recommendation?
Sather: Not entirely, but ehhhhh, more than half that...but this is before we knew the results of the latest collective bargaining agreement, which, you were a part of the negotiations of and ultimately signed.
Dolan: I don't read those things! It had SOOOOOO many pages.
Sather: How about I get you a candy bar and we talk about this later.
Dolan: I like candy. I just really hated Tortorella, he was so mean.
Sather: Yes, I know, this is why we fired him, because you felt he was, what was the term? "A Big Doodoohead".
Dolan: Yeah he scared me, plus I dig how the new guy says he can hook me up with French chics.
Sather: Ok, I'll be back with your candy bar, we'll figure out the buyout then. You need more Pot?
Dolan: DO I??? I can't let you make a decision for me without any!
Last goalie to win the Stanley Cup and a Vezina was Martin Brodeur in 2003. GM's are starting to realize that strong D in front of the goaltender actually wins Cups as opposed to a Vezina winning goalie (and think of what Brodeur had in front of him in 2003). You can make a strong case that goaltender may actually be the most over rated position in hockey. Case in point: Ray Emery was 17-1 this year in Chicago. Is he that good or is Chicago that good?
A buyout of Richards is such an obvious move that one fears they will bring him back another year. I really like the guy but he hasn't played like a first line center, nevermind a superstar, for the Rangers. Taking a chance that he'll get hurt and the cap is screwed up for many years to come is too much to even think about. Also, they need the cap room for their RFA's and strengthening the blueline, signing Henrik and, hopefully, adding some scoring. Lots to do and cap room is badly needed. In addition, there will be some good players bought out that will be relatively reasonable to sign. Good luck, Richie! Maybe he'll sign with Vancouver and play for Torts or go back to Dallas.
Buyout plleeeeezzzzz!!!! Hank? The prospect for a trade shouldn't be too scary. think of what we could get for him?
I think everybody would agree that in 7 playoff seasons Lundqvist has not impressed. It doesn't take a great goalie to win a cup, it takes a great team. In 94' the Rangers had a great team and an average goalie. You may say that Richter stepped it up in the playoffs and i would agree. That's what a goalie needs to do. But it was the team that won the cup not just the goalie.
I say offer him 6 mil, if he doesn't take it let him walk. We need a better team before you give up the farm on a goaltender.
Almost everyone here sees the value in a compromised contract agreement that would pay Lundqvist a respectful salary and protect the Rangers interest in maintaing a competitive team for the future. Unfortunately, egos exist, and I expect Hank to want to be the highest paid goaltender, and Sather obliging, knowing he won't be around when the contract becomes unserviceable.
If #99 can get traded, I think it's safe to say Hank could as well, IF the circumstances warranted it. If he's not signed by Christmas or if he's looking for a max deal, I think there's a real possibility. Osgood, Fleury, Ward, Crawford, Niemi, Giguere have all won Cups since 2006. None of them come up when you talk about great goaltenders. I want nothing more than the Rangers to win multiple Cups with Hank in nets, but he is not the center of the universe. Hopefully he wants to win in NY as much as we want him to!
Clowe is damaged goods. It would take a lot to make me think otherwise. He would probably end up with another concussion if he tried to prove me wrong.
Trading Hank is a real possibility and it is up to him for all of the many reasons discussed ad nauseum since the Rangers were eliminated. People think it's only about the Rangers. No. Hank has one year left on his contract and he alone decides whether he believes the Rangers can become a serious contender or he needs to go elsewhere. It's that simple.
The Rangers are going to make Hank the highest paid goaltender in the NHL. I think that's a safe thing to say. That being said, Hank is currently the second highest paid goaltender in the NHL, Pekka Rinne's contract is slightly higher at 7.0 mil AAV. I don't think Sather will have any problem giving Hank the 8 year max for between 60-65 million. I hate to say but I don't think Lundqvist is going to be open to a "hometown discount." Just my 2 cents.
cant say i disagree w the lundqvist stuff.. personally while many NYR fans hate MB30 look what hes done over the life of his contracts to keep his team competitive..
Could get a huge package in return that includes top line scorer and legit power play point man. Plenty of solid goaltending options out there. Offseason has officially grabbed hold of me. lol
@Betweentheworlds Not a buyout, just a 'not re-sign'. The Rangers should actually put feelers out there to see what they could get. It would be interesting, and also open the eyes of Hank to realize no one is irreplaceable.
@BigBrian1226 You're insane if you think Richter was just an average goaltender. He was just as important as anyone else during 1994. Messier guarantee never happens if Richter doesn't keep Rangers in that game early.
@BigBrian1226 Umm, I'd have to say Richter was well above average - though not "the King" remember he usurped a Veneza trophy winner to earn the number 1 position
@Bob Blickwede No one thought Gretzky would get traded, twice. (First time for money, I understand). Messier was traded, Eddie G was traded, Espo was traded. Sometimes the greats get traded and sometimes the trades you would never think to make can be the most successful if done wisely.
@thenyrblogneill I thought Sergey Bobrovsky was the highest paid goalie.
@thenyrblogneill Why couldn't the new CBA cap extensions at 5 years? lol
@ChrisRowan I hate to say it, but the Brodeur example is really good. There's a guy who without a doubt could be a wealthier goalie right now had he played super hardball. There are differences though in that Brodeur won a cup within his first 5 years with the club and saw a very different team in front of him than hank does. Hank feels way more pressure to win (personally) than Marty. Point being, had the devils not won the cup in 95, I wonder if the Marty story would be different. Great point though he loves his devils as much as we would hope Hank loves his rangers.
@The New York Rangers Blog I have a feeling after game 1 of this season, when Hank stands on his head and does his thing, you're going to be writing: "Did I really think the Rangers could afford to trade Henrik friggin Lundqvist?!?! What was I smoking!"
@MikeBlue @Betweentheworlds What? Are yo a madman??? lol I meant buy out Richey. If they even think about buying Hank out the whole front office should be fired! I do agree however that if he's not willing to negotiate a reasonable contract in the cap era they should shop him. the returns could be huge.
@BigBrian1226 And the last time I checked he had his jersey hanging from the rafters at MSG.
@genetics73 Bobrovsky doesn't even have a contract at the moment and he certainly wasn't making more than Hank. Here's the link to capgeek as it pertains to the highest cap hits in order in the NHL. http://capgeek.com/leaders/?season=2013&type=CAP_HIT&position=G&limit=25
@Scott_from_Jersey Can't look at it in a vacuum. If Rangers trade Lundqvist they will receive some very good players in return that'll make team in front of new goaltender much better.
@MikeBlue @Betweentheworlds Oh wait - did you mean Richey as well? I'd rather see them buy him out this year and open up cap space for guts and grit. Even at form I feel he'll bring this team down. We have soft, skill players already. Plenty of them. A great scenario would be buy out Richey, sign LeCalv and get Bickell