According to Glen Sather, the decision to hire Alain Vigneault might put Mark Messier's future with the Rangers in doubt (via New York Post)...
“I don’t really know what Mark is going to do. He was very disappointed when I called to tell him that we were going to hire Alain.
“He said he wanted to take a few days and would call me, but we haven’t spoken since.”
...it's very rare that I criticize "The Captain," but I find it laughable that he could be all that disappointed in the decision. I could understand if Messier put in the time as the head coach with the Wolf Pack or maybe another organization and was passed over, but he's done nothing to build his head coaching resume other than a few games with Team Canada in meaningless tournaments. Maybe instead of being Sather's gopher, he should have proved he was serious about becoming an NHL coach and gotten the required experience.
...my hope is that he takes time to reflect on what he really wants and if it's to be a NHL head coach asks Sather for a position with the Wolf Pack or reaches out to other organizations for a better opportunity. Just because he wasn't chosen now doesn't mean his dream of becoming the Rangers head coach is over. He just has to prove he's serious about it.
If this was 2006, id be fine with letting Mess coach the team. Maybe if Torts was canned in March, you let him be the interim coach. But this is just the wrong situation to bring in a completely inexperienced guy.
If Mess really wants to be an NHL head coach, he needs to get a job as an assistant or an AHL/CHL coach first. And he should know that. The only reason Gretzky coached the Yotes with no experience is because he owned the team.
While I appreciate everything Messier did as a player, let's not forget that he got paid handsomely for it. He wasn't ready to coach. Period. He did none of the heavy lifting to earn a spot. Just because he was a great player doesn't mean he would have been a great-- or even a good -- coach. Just look at Gretzky. It's time to move on and Messier is welcome to do the same if he feels the need. I am tired of our entitlement society reaching every facet of life.
Wow...quick to the vitriol here. First, this is not Messier speaking, rather Sather. Second, "very disappointed" could cover everything from a pissy and entitled reaction to a very professional and understanding attitude. When I was rejected by Harvard I was very disappointed while simultaneously being very understanding. LOL
Look, we don't know these guys, only how they perform. Our only view is almost always seen through the distorted lens of the media, who themselves usually have an agenda.
Waaay too much analysis going on here. This is all pretty simple:
GM: get players that have at least three out of four of: Size, Speed, Toughness, Talent. That's it!
Coach: tell them they have to skate back into their D-zone with as much passion as they skate into O-zone. That's it!
Players: play like you love the game and the other team stole something from you. That's it!
If you get those three things you will compete for the Cup every year.
I am very much more interested in our presser tomorrow to see who AVs brings in as his asst coaches! Maybe Moose is pissed because he does not get even one of those spots? And can you blame AVs if he wants to go with his own men?
I'm with Lisa ... these coaches just go from one team to the other. I think some new faces would be a great idea. And Messier is different, imo, than other rookie coaches. He was/is a born leader and his heart and passion is with the Rangers. I think he would have done very well. But, he wasn't chosen so we will never know what might have been. I'm guessing he moves on from here and who could blame him. Hope if he does go to another team he wins the Cup. Wouldn't that be a statement to all those who think his wanting to coach is laughable.
i like messier as a player, but saying this is no disrespect to him; but is he a BIG BABY now crying for a bottle, or what?? be a real man, MAN-coach at ahl level for a while.GEEEEZE.
Is this guy kidding me right now? Oh yeah sure, go ahead at take your for pro coaching job with an Original 6 organization, in the biggest media market in pro sports in basically a must-win season. Sure, no problem. Sheesh...
Without trying to demean or disregard his legacy and all that he did for the Rangers, I think Messier has taken a stance of entitlement with respect to the Rangers recently...This goes back to his second stint with them as a player. His skills were clearly diminishing, yet he expected 1st line minutes (not that there were that many players who deserved 1st line minutes ahead of him, but I digress) and his presence seemed to be stifling some of the younger players who were ready to take over the team...
Then he came in as Slat's "Special Assistant" with the expectation of taking over as GM, potentially bypassing some of the other front office guys who had paid their dues. Now, as Kevin says, he's disappointed that he didn't get the HC job, without any real coaching experience.
Perhaps he's just disappointed in not getting a position he wanted (and that's fair), but if he feels slighted or wronged by the organization, then I have to wonder what it is that Messiah expects to be given and what he's actually earned.
Sather said today he hopes and thinks all 4 RFA's will be back on the team next year (Mcdonagh, Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello)
I wonder if he really was that upset or if this is being blown out of proportion. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if he assumed he had the job once he said he was interested because of his connection to Sather/team.
And btw, Alain Vigneault still isn't Ryane Clowe with all the extra "e" in his name ;-)
People wanting Messier to coach, you are expecting the same results and leadership that he had as a player. Coaching is very different. He has ZERO experience. The city would turn on him so fast if they didnt play well . Can you imagine if they miss the playoffs year after year with him? His legacy would turn into booing him off of the bench. Great players arent always great coaches. Look at Wayne Gretzky, under .500 coach and never made the playoffs. When rooting for the Rangers to hire a coach, root with your minds not with your hearts.
Lisa Jacobs-chabra, you obtain the proper experience by coaching in juniors or the AHL and work your way up.
Why not . he played the game he knows the game . he would learn he might have supprised you . but how can he get experice if you don't give him a chance really
Norma Meyer, he's allowed to be disappointed, but Sather said he was "very disappointed" and needed some time. Really Mess? How could he have seriously thought he was a legit contender with zero coaching experience.
You know all the NHL does is recycle the coaches if he didn't do for his last team what makes you think he will do for the Rangers REALLY!!!!! I think they should have gone with New Blood Messier and see what he could do . . ... And how do you expect the man to get experence if people like you do give it to him .
I don't blame him at all for being disappointed. How quickly people forget what this man did for the organization. If it weren't for him the Rangers would still be without the Cup. I was actually surprised to see that so many people didn't want him to be selected. I thought it was a no brainer that he would get the job if he wanted it. How obviously wrong I was! Wouldn't be surprised at all now if he were to move on. I certainly wouldn't blame him, but what a loss to this city and organization. All just my opinion of course.
Whether people are pro-Messier or not, what's laughable(and very painful) is that Sather is still running this team.
@Josh6 I sure hope they'll be back. They're all key peaces to the success of the team this year.
@Josh6 They better be.
@Melissa (blknblueshirts) DAMMIT!!!!!!! I have no idea why I keep putting that "e" in his name.
@KevinDeLury @Josh6 idk I was not so sure about Zuccs. I like what he brought to the table in terms of heart, but I am not going to sugar coat it he was non-existent in the Bruins series. Which is my worst fear about him, when the competition gets big and physical he disappears... I have heard so many people clamoring for size and toughness... Zuccs has one of those but really lacks in the other. I also do not think he is a top 6 forward on a Stanley Cup team at all...
@KevinDeLury Haha! No worries, you'll get it eventually or I'll just keep reminding you until you do ;-)
(Thought maybe the Clowe joke, as bad as it was, would help you remember it...)