So, Mr. Kevin DeLury emailed myself, James and Adam on this past Friday night and informed us that he would be taking the week off to personally see that Ilya Kovalchuk makes it safely back to his new home in St. Petersburg, Russia. So while Kevin is away, the remaining three of the us will assume control of the blog for the next 5 days as we wait for anything NYR related to come across the wire.
For today's open thread... in light of Kovalchuk leaving for Russia, there's been some chatter that Kovy is worthy of a Hall of Fame nomination. At the expense of commiting heresy, my hypothetical question for you guys is this....
If Henrik Lundqvist randomly decided on Monday that he wanted to return to Gothenburg to play for the Frölunda Indians again, has Hank done enough in 8 years to warrant a nomination into the Hockey Hall of Fame?
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I just looked at the stats... if Crosby had stayed healthy (which obviously it happened and I get it). Based on his production over his career... he could be around 900 points at age 25.... In this era that is crazy (so much less scoring than Gretzky era....) Honestly, anyone that puts up 2000 points in this era is a God in the sport. The fact that he can still do it while missing more than two seasons should tell you how great the guy is. Don't get me wrong i hate the guy and he is a whiner. But, recently he has been battling the same injury bug that Staal has seemed to find as well... I really hope both guys can avoid it and play hockey... it is a shame to see great players miss so much time because of freak injuries...
Just my opinion, but a couple years ago and early this year... watching Staal try and shutdown Crosby was one of the best match ups (1 on 1) in the NHL... Hope we can get back to it.
It would take a Gretzky-esque start to a career to get in the HOF after 8 seasons. Hank has not had that. The Kovalchuk talk is also a joke. For shortened careers, I use Sandy Koufax as the barometer. 4 World Series wins, 2 WS MVPs, 3 Cy Youngs, over 2,000 Ks, 4 no hitters. THAT is dominating for an 11 year career. Hank's got a ways to go, but I do think he's in track for the HOF someday.
He's getting close but when you play such a (relatively) short period of time you need eye popping stats to be HOF worthy. As great as Hank has been he's missing a few key items which would put him in now. He doesn't have a 40 win season, he has only 1 vezina and of course he doesn't have playoff success (Conn Smythe, Cup or even finals appearance). The standards change when you can look at career stats over a long career. Accumulation of the right #'s can make you a shoe in. Odds are he'll win 400 with a SP% and GAA among top 5 in his generation and possibly close to 100 shutouts. Add this to the vezina and multiple noms and you have a HOF career. If he wins another Vez next year and adds a cup with a Conn then he's in right away.
Negative ghost rider......Lundy hasn't won enough. Let's face it....most of the modern day goaltenders have had it easier (in wins) because of the OT rules......
Don't really care about the beginning stuff... but the last minute he talks about Danny Kristo. Man I think you can tell Kreider and even the rest of the kids on that World juniors team really like him... and not just that I think they respect him. Seems like he has a type Callahan persona to him "Just gets the job done... He is a guy you want on your team." Really want to see this kid play on the big club this year
3rd all time in Save%
11th all time in GAA
5 Vezina and 1 Heart nomination
Only goalie to start his career with 7 30 win seasons....
If Richter isn't HOF, Hank isn't. Hank has similar GAA and SV%. With less wins, and playing in a lower scoring era than MR, Hanks numbers aren't as impressive. Love hank, has to prove himself further. 14 seasons in, like Richter and Hank might be HOF, for now, he isn't
Nope... Kovy won't go either. If hank wins 30 more games for 6 more seasons... then we can start talking hall of fame. A cup would solidify it...
No way! By what measure does he belong in the HOF? And, no, winning the Cup is not a prerequisite. Hank is a great goalie, but he would either have to accumulate several more seasons with similar stats, OR be instrumental in winning at least one Cup (and let's face it, in the NHL it is exceptionally rare that the goalie is NOT instrumental in a Cup win)
I love Hank, but the other thing to consider is that he has a glaring hole in his game so far as puck handling goes, both in terms of skill while doing it AND when to do it.
Let's wait a bit before we appoint him to the HOF. This isn't even a discussion, except to NY fans.
Wow what a question, I think it depends on how you look at it, from a fans point of view and mine personally is say yes, he's done more for this team than anyone else in the organization and is the one of the reasons we are a contender. I've been watching the rangers my whole life and I'm 23 the team we have now and the prospects makes me proud to be a rangers fan. If you're a purist hockey fan you might say no because he never won the cup...yet. Some will make the case and compare it to Marino or mattingly, but I'm sticking to my guns and saying hank can do what hank does
@FREE LINDBERG fuck cindy.
i miss watching staal make it so the announcers never even got the chance to mention ovie's name during games. like avery used to say to players during games, "i thought you were a healthy scratch tonight..."
@IcyCup If he plays up to it... in a couple years I may have to shell out for a Lindberg one
@IcyCup May be my favorite jersey in all of hockey... Or at least international, NHL, and AHL... so classy
I agree there is one player in a generation that can do that. Crosby would have done it if he never got hurt. Probably would have another cup, and about 300 more points. He is a stud...
@IcyCup wins I can't argue with really, but I don't think a Cup should determine HOF either. This is a modern slant, looking at players through the "did he win a championship" prism. It's hard to win a championship. It doesn't mean you are less of a player. Players get lucky being on really really good teams. Cam Ward has a cup. He is not better than Lundqvist, this is why that shouldn't be a factor. Just my opinion.
@Murdoch He is 3rd all time in save%, not for this generation, but ALL TIME. I know that can fluctuate, but we are evaluating his career so far. In a 8 year career, he has won over 30 games every year (82 game season, on pace for 47 last year), has 5 vezina nominations. All im saying is its impressive. He is already in the top 11 all time in 2 very important stats, 3rd save % and 11th in GAA.
@Snot-Bubbler Thats a good point, but thats why i dont look at wins as being that important. It depends on the team you are playing as well. Save % and GAA are better stats for measuring a goalies worth.
@FREE LINDBERG FREE KRISTO?
@PenaltySh0t No. 12 years, above average GAA and Save %, a healthy amt of wins and no cup does not a hall of famer make. Not even close.
@ivanricov not just yet... has to keep doing it. If he retired today he is not going to the HOF
@Farmerjohn22 Look again. Stats are NOT close to similar. Different era but still WAY different. HL: 2.25 .920 MR: 2.89 .904 Not close.
Hank averages more wins/season and will pass Ricky next year. Ricky had only 2 seasons with 30 wins or more. Hank is a lock every year.
I love Mike Richter forever but he's not as good as Hank and he will never be a hall of famer. Sorry. There are other goalies who's stats are better and they have a cup and they aren't in. Off the top of my head I'd say Barasso but I know there are others.
@Farmerjohn22 Richter will make it to the HOF. before long I think. He's got the numbers to qualify. It's just a matter of time.
@Farmerjohn22 richter is in the HOF..
@FREE LINDBERG Not in my opinion but I maybe a little bias. Never been a big fan of his IMO. He's been over hyped over the years.
@FREE LINDBERG Agreed.
@jmacwilli Another glaring hole is short side over the shoulder.
@Jercooks845 I've been watching the Rangers my whole life and I'm 62 and as of right now in my opnion he doesn't get in unless he wins another Vezina at least 1 more and about another 120-150 games. He can get in without winning the Cup but he has a ways to go.
Just saying... While I am a HUGE Rangers fan... I am a bigger hockey fan. The game is better when these guys are playing. I miss Staal so much. I rarely play defense when I play... But just watching him play the position he shows everyone how it should be done. The same goes for Crosby at the center position... Although he could be a little tougher... He is the best center by far in the world
@Scott_from_Jersey @PenaltySh0t 7 straight 30 win seasons (first NHL player to do that), has won a gold medal, GAA and SV% should keep dropping/rising over the next years while he's in his prime, and I still believe he'll win a cup and a conn smythe with it. You seem to have seriously unrealistic expectations of goalies to be in the HHOF. Eddie Belfour (in the hall) has one stanley cup, a career .905 sv%, and 484 wins in 900 something games. Hank's got 276 in 511 games, and he's got at least 5 really good years left. He'll make the hall, mark my words.
@Farmerjohn22 Someone wrote that Richter is in the HALL. Which prove's me right.