After the Rangers re-signed Mats Zuccarello yesterday to a one-year, $1.15 million deal, it left them with just $2.18 million of cap space to re-sign Derek Stepan.
While sending Arron Asham and Darroll Powe to Hartford would open up an additional $1.9 million of space, it will leave the Rangers with virtually no room to make another move and might keep young players who deserve to be on the roster down in Hartford.
Larry Brooks at the New York Post says that because Ryan Callahan and Carl Hagelin will miss at least the first month of the season, the Rangers will have to carry cap charges of 14 or 15 forwards making it that much more difficult to get Stepan under the cap. The Rangers medical staff has told Brooks that Callahan and Hagelin will not be placed on LTIR which would have allowed the Rangers to go over the cap ceiling while they continued to recover from offseason shoulder surgeries.
Andrew Gross at the Bergen Record expects the Rangers to offer Stepan a two-year "bridge" deal which is their M.O. with RFA's without arbitration rights (see Del Zotto).
...if the Rangers want to re-sign Stepan, there's no way they can keep a 15th forward when Callahan and Hagelin are out. And if Asham and Powe are sent down, they'll likely only be able to have one of Pouliot ($1.3M), Miller ($1.244M) and Kristo ($1.3M) on the roster as their cap hits are too big. Rangers might have no choice but to have guys like Hrivik and Jean on their opening night roster.
...i also want to warn everyone, these Stepan negotiations will likely drag on till camp, so don't get crazy as August passes by without a deal being done. While it'll be a tight squeeze, Sather will find a way to get it done, even if it means making an unexpected trade.
There are still things that can be done and I'm sure Slats is looking at a few options now. Buying out Richey would have seemed like the obvious, no-brainer move, even if he returns to form but for whatever reason, possible the Garden execs forcing thier hand, Richey is still here and we are lacking in several areas to compete for a cup this year. Free agent blunders withstanding Slats is pretty crafty with trades and moves so as I had been stating since the Richey decision expect a pretty big trade or 2 to bring in some cheap grit and dirt (sorely needed) and give us some leeway to allow our younger talent to compete for a roster spot. Since lesser trades have bolstered our D. depth I believe Slats is planning on moving a top 4 Dman (obviously not McD) and maybe a boyle or pyatt. I hope it's MDZ as he has some value to a rebuilding franchise. Hoping his lack of vision and quickness get overlooked and he's seen as a young 22 yr old talent with potential and offensive upside by other teams. Hope is not lost. LGR
Actually we're not in as bad of shape as you think. Sending Asham and Powe to the AHL will give us $4.03 Mil in cap room. Stepan on a bridge deal will probably be $3.75 Mil AAV for 2 years. If we need more room, we can always send Johnson to the AHL(currently our 8th defenseman).
We also need to stop thinking of AHL subs as year end salaries on Cap Geek and more as day-to-day salaries. Per the CBA, Players on two-way deals who accrued 49 or fewer NHL games the previous season count at a discounted daily rate. The daily rate is calculated as follows. Obtain a fraction by dividing the number of days the player spent on an NHL roster the previous season (including days on injured reserve) by the number of days in the previous NHL season. Multiply that fraction by the player's current cap hit to determine his daily rate. The calculation of this daily rate for cap purposes differs slightly from that written in Section 15.6 of the CBA, which describes the calculation of the player's reduced salary rather than his reduced cap hit.
****Also per Section 15.6, Clubs who are forced by reason of insufficient Cap Room (resulting from Player injury or suspension) to dress short of 18 and 2 for consecutive games (“roster emergency) may, beginning for the second and continuing with all subsequent consecutive games, and without any charge to the team’s Payroll Range for the duration of the roster emergency, add to its Playing Roster and dress the requisite number of “emergency replacement” Players provided, however, that: a) Any and all such recalled “emergency replacement” Players shall have an AA that is not more than the then-applicable NHL Minimum Salary plus $100,000 (e.g., currently $625,000), and b) Each such Player may only remain on that Club’s Active Roster during the period of the “roster emergency.” 25. Performance Bonus Cushion: Performance Bonus Cushion provisions to be applicable in every year of the CBA (including the last year). This will cover the Callahan and Hagelin injuries.
One additional cap opening measure I did leave out is that they'll open up around $600,000 when they likely send Johnson to AHL.
For the life of me I can't understand why people think Boyle is so expendable. He can:
1) Play center or wing and move up and down the lineup.
2) Win defensive faceoffs
3) Penalty Kill
4) Is very large and typically is among the team leaders in hits (oh yeah everyone is worried that the team is too small)
5) Will fight whoever if absolutely necessary (he isn't a puncher but stands up for teammates)
6) Is a locker room leader
7) Elevate his game and score in the playoffs
Pyatt on the other hand is not as big, doesn't hit as much, not as diverse, probably a slower skater, and hasn't been with the team for as long and makes the same cash. He's also a journeyman the team has not committed to building around.
Wise up - there's a reason why Boyle gets ice time and his teammates and coaches love him.
It would make more sense to unload Boyle instead of Pyatt. Boyle has a slightly higher cap hit, its hard to envision where he would fit in at this point with the Dominic Moore signing, Boyle is also too soft for a player his size, and Pyatt knows Vigneault well having played under him for three seasons in Vancouver
I think Slats wants to see if Mcilrath is ready to play, before making a deal. Got to figure we will deal from strength and it will be a defenseman during camp to clear cap space.
The cap creates the same problem for every team. As we know you need depth to win and rite now we are unable to use our depth sather and everyone else knows this so well have to wait and see what happens
If Stepan takes a short-term deal, does this seem like a reasonable roster expectation? http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/30353
Keeping Callahan and Hagelin at the bottom due to presumption of not being ready, meaning Powe and Asham on the roster for now. No idea about lines, and Miller is an obvious candidate as someone who can make the team over Powe/Asham.
@KevinDeLury I was just about to ask, CapGeek shows the Rangers carrying 9 defensemen right now. Obvioulsy waivers and two-way contracts come in to play, but if Johnson and maybe Faulk or Stralman also get sent down, that would be some more room.
Hindsight being 20/20, maybe Sather should have bought out DZ...
All the more reasons to trade him. He actually has value!! Pyatt doesn't have any. He doesn't bring anything that teams couldn't find on the free agent market for less money.
@jasonshyer Well put, I totally agree.
he cant skate.
he doesnt lead the team in hits. not sure what games youve been watching.
fight? again, not sure what youre watching. he doesnt use his size in any meaningful way.
locker room leader? says who?
no one thinks pyatt is better than boyle.
@Henry Booke Are you seriously think that Moore is better then Boyle? How long you've been watching hockey? While Moore is a nice person, IMO. Moore couldn't smell Boyle's f-rt. Even in Moore's prime, which he is not, Boyle was a better player then Moore.
the difference in cap hit is $150k so that's pretty negligible. Pyatt being familiar w AV may be the difference, but Pyatt has looked like a one trick pony where Boyle can do a few different things
@jslnyr1102 lets hope so... Sather has not done well with free agency nor has he drafted spectacularly... He has made some decent trades that enabled him to recover from his other bad moves. I do hope MciLrath produces and gets the chance.
but we lack depth at defense, especially looking at the kids coming up ... and i doubt McIlrath is ready, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that one
I hope Staal is back to his old self
not quite for every team, because a lot of teams can't afford to be up against the cap. not every team has depth either, we're lucky we can say we have some right now. things will be looking up when we buyout Richards next summer, but we will find ourselves up against the cap again.
I wouldn't list Powe or Asham ...
and Stepan should command more money than that, even with a bridge deal
@KevinDeLury Thanks for reminding me =(
keeping Richards was such a dumb decision. we should have bought him out and then we would would have been able to bring in grabovski on the cheap. I know he's not the player that Richards is but atleast he's serviceable and could be had cheap. if we don't buy out Richards next year we are freaking sunk!
@KevinDeLury It would have but then who would win the Conn Smythe for us next June? ;-)
Stralmans not getting sent down he's your number 4 defenseman Moore is your number five and delzottos your six and why buyout delzotto when he's a player you could move easily? Yes he's terrible but he's 23 with hype I say when Stepan signs delzottos gone
A.) There is absolutely no possible chance of Anton Stralman being sent down. The guy took MDZs spot on the second pair last year! He's the most underrated defenseman on the team. And B.) Buyout MDZ? Are you nuts?? He's a 22 year old defenseman that's still 3-4 years from entering his prime!! You don't buy out players like that! Teams pay hefty price tags for players like him in the trade market.
That being said, trade Boyle! Pyatt has no trade value. And I personally refuse to give up on MDZ given his age and potential.
@johnnyb3910 @KevinDeLury Are you insane, buying out DZ. and have Richards huge contract linger over the team for years? it is crazy man! If anything, Richards should have been bought out this year which would allow Sather to keep his options open with regards to keeping some of the young prospects with the team. Lets face it Richards is a bust, no matter how you slice it.
I think Icy cup and I are in the same boat when it comes to Boyle. With a 6'7 244lbs frame he should be more of a presence out there. Faceoffs I'll give him credit for and penalty kill. But dam, 6'7 244lbs lay someone the **** out! Get the crowd going! Bring some energy! Thats the reason why your on that line.
Milan Lucic - 6'4 220lbs
Brian Bickell - 6'4 222lbs
Dustin Brown - 6'0 204lbs
Jordin Tootoo - 5'9 199lbs
I'm not talking about scoring stats here but more about presence. These guys are all smaller the him but show "watch out for your head" presence on the ice. That is what Boyle is lacking. He just hasn't been the same since the concussion. I guess what I'm saying is put Ryan Callahan in Boyles body and watch what he will do with it.
Boyle does come in right behind Callahan in hits consistently, 2nd on the team. on the rare occasion Boyle gets in front of the net, he's effective. obviously he's not a fighter, but he'll be a punching bag to stand up for a teammate now and again. as for locker room leader, i dunno...
@AG_Blue AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AG,
@AG_Blue outside of being a big body what trick does he have?
We have 9 NHL defenseman on the roster with the additions of Falk, Syvret, and Johnson. We have the depth on d to move Del Zotto should need be.
@AG_Blue We can only hope right?
Yeah, Stepan's first three years are a lot better offensively than Brassard's, but Brassard was a sixth overall pick and Stepan doesn't have leverage coming off his entry-level deal.
I'm just trying to paint a rosier picture. It's up to the coach on who exactly makes the roster, but with Powe and Asham as placeholders, that covers anybody in the mix, based on the younger players having bonus money in their cap number. Brassard received $2.8M and $3M in his fourth and fifth years and started at a higher number than Stepan, so $2.6 could be reasonable for one or two seasons.
really curious to see how Richards will play this year
@RangersVW14 agree. lets see what this guy can really do.. He needs to stay and send down powe and pyatt
Delzottos terrible. Regardless of his age. He's been in the league for four seasons now. He gets alittle over 20 mins of ice time a game which is baffling to me considering how bad he actually is. If you haven't improved in 4 years with all that ice time your simply put just not going to get any better. Delzotto can't skate think or see the game fast enough to ever be considered a quality defender. He's a below average defender with average offensive ability. 41 points in 11-12 getting all that ice time with the teams best players(gaborik) and all that pp time which by the way 102 games played he scored 2 pp goals 2 that's horrid. Mcdonagh slim to none with pp time he scored 32 points playing shutdown mins 3 less goals then delzotto 9 less points. You give mcdonagh staal stralman Moore delzottos pp ice time I bet the house mcdonagh and staal easily score more points then him in a season stralman as well don't know enough about Moore yet but I don't know he's head and shoulders better then delzotto. Delzotto has been the worst player I have ever seen in post season cost us two series one against devils other against Boston. Stralman Moore each 1.7 delzaster 2.5 and he's now the 6th defender he's dead weight needs to be traded and will be when Stepan signs
@RangersVW14 This is a make or break season for Del Zotto. If he can't thrive under AV I can see the Rangers move him at the deadline or not tender him next offseason when he becomes an RFA.
but Stepan will be signed!
Thanks, @AG_Blue, that's what I was getting at. There were reports at one point that the Redden buyout didn't count as one of our 2 buyouts, in which case we'd obviously buy out Richards, and then have another to go.
As AG and I talked about yesterday in another thread, keeping Richards this season puts Sather on a budget for 2013-2014, and leaves the cap space that would be opened by a Richards buyout as float money for next year when almost half of our roster becomes RFAs or UFAs. He will undoubtedly be bought out.
I was half kidding with the comment about DZ, but if you go on the assumption that we had a second buyout after Richards, and then fast forward to two months from now when, worst case scenario, Stepan has been lost because we couldn't match an offer sheet, the idea of buying out a defensemen who has struggled mightily and repeatedly loses his spot to a guy making a fraction of his salary, it isn't as crazy as an idea as it sounds to free up that cap space. All I'm saying is that if there was a buyout, other than Richards, that could have been made this off season to make resigning Stepan easier, and we missed that opportunity, that would be unfortunate.
well, if the Redden buyout is not an amnesty buyout then they have one more to use
everybody's counting on Richards being bought out at the end of the season
@josh930 @IcyCup @jasonshyer agree that he should be and do more, but that does not mean you get rid of him unless you get something decent back. The problem is that we dont get power forwards on this team too often. There are several other players on this team who do less..and MDZ is not one of them.
Pyatt is great along the boards, that's his one trick. It's difficult at best to get the puck away from him. Only trouble is, he doesn't do that much with the puck then, he just eats up the clock.
@RangersVW14 I really dont want him moved until we see what he can do under the new coaching staff, hes too young and the upside is too high to let him go. we really need the cannon from the blue line, and hes got one
@scrangersfan Haha! yes I was kidding...although I am one of the few who expect a bounce-back season from him. Just not one that good lol.