A year ago today, the Rangers looked like they pulled off a huge coup as they were able to obtain Rick Nash from Columbus in exchange for Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, Time Erixon and this year's first round pick.
365 days later, Aaron Portzline at the Columbus Dispatch says the trade wasn't as lopsided as people anticipated.
Here's Columbus head coach Todd Richards on how the trade helped his team almost crack the playoffs for just the second time in franchise history last season...
“I’ve seen it before, where you have your superstar — and Rick is a superstar — and everybody defaults to him, you’re waiting for him to do something or say something,” Richards said. “When he’s gone, it falls on other guys to step up. Now they have to, whereas before they (might) have sat back and watched just out of respect."
...this, I felt, was a big problem with the Rangers last season. While two years ago, you felt it was a new hero every night, with Nash on board, if he wasn't scoring the entire team wasn't scoring. The rest of the Rangers team needs to realize that even with Nash in the line-up they still need to make things happen. This is a common problem with teams employing super star players.
Portzline I felt then took a couple of shots at Nash, saying this...
"...the trade had a transformative effect on the Blue Jackets, both on the ice and in the room. Dubinsky and Anisimov helped set the tone for what became a much faster, hard-working team.
...Richards said the loss of Nash gave room for others to grow. Anisimov and Dubinsky, much like Jack Johnson months earlier, arrived in Columbus with tremendous attitudes.
While others wanted off the bus, the pair wanted to sit in the driver’s seat and make the Blue Jackets a winner. Dubinsky has been mentioned by Richards as a potential captain."
...wow. It seems to me that Portzline is insinuating that Nash was a bit of a problem in the locker room and not a hard working player.
...while I can't speak to the Rangers locker room dynamic last season, I for the most part felt Nash worked hard every night.
...sounds like sour grapes from Portzline to me, but it is interesting to note.
Here's Andrew Gross at the Bergen Record on the how the trade had a negative effect on the Rangers depth...
“(Former coach John Tortorella) always talked throughout the year — whining, really — about the lack of depth on the roster, and he didn’t hide the fact that it was the Nash trade, to a large extent.”
...as far as my thoughts on the team a year later. Yes, I felt the trade hurt the Rangers depth wise, but it's not like Dubinsky and Anisimov aren't replaceable. Sather just didn't replace them initially. Obviously, the Gaborik trade took care of that. So, despite Nash's struggles in the playoffs, I still feel it was a great trade for the Rangers and a move I would make every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Here's a reminder why...
Portzlines story is a typical small town paper trying to pump up the fan base crap. Its allso about low expectations, they COMPETED for a playyoff spot so they had a poistive year...big deal.The bottom line is as Kevin stated "it's not like Dubinsky and Anisimov aren't replaceable".
Exactly they are very replaceable. Especially Dubinsky making 4-m a year & scoring what 3-Goals last year? Please here is the other bottom line...despite having a Vezina winning trophy they missed the playoffs.
As for Nash's supposed bad attitude. It is hard for any athlete to perform at his best & keep a poistive attitude after 10-years with a franchise that is as inept at CBJ was. How can u continue to be poitive when you miss the playoffs year after year. I don't care who you are thats an impossible task. Meanwhile I know everyone thinks CBJ is on the rise & all that, who knows maybe they are but if by some miracle they become a Cup winner its not because Dubinsky & Anisimov are driving the bus, they will be support players. Instead it will be because out of all their high picks they had developed several players like Nash or Toews or Chara or superstars.Though I doubt it will ever happen.
"Dubinsky and Anisimov helped set the tone for what became a much faster, hard-working team.
...Richards said the loss of Nash gave room for others to grow. Anisimov and Dubinsky arrived in Columbus with tremendous attitudes.
While others wanted off the bus, the pair wanted to sit in the driver’s seat and make the Blue Jackets a winner. Dubinsky has been mentioned by Richards as a potential captain."
Holy poops....how did those guys develop that kind of attitude and sense of leadership???????
Oh, please. You guys are smoking something if you think the Nash trade wasn't a huge win for the Rangers. The problems stemmed from loss of depth/grit in addition to the players given up in that trade (Prust, Feds), plus the disappearance of Richie and Gabby (oh yeah, and the injury in March to Staal). Y'all have too much time on your hands to be second guessing this one. Now go visit Crate & Barrel and send a nice wedding gift to Rick and his new bride, Jessica: http://www.crateandbarrel.com/Gift-Registry/Jessica-Kinman-and-Rick-Nash/r5038427
Good trade for both teams.2 Ranger trained roster players who are NHL regulars and in their prime.Arty and Dubi have raised the compete level of Columbus-as Arty said about his play"Go Go Go!"He learned that kind of compete on the Rangers.
As far as Rich Nash-simply an elite player still in his prime years. He is a player who can carry a team on his back.With AV coaching him, he will be playing his optimum, and with the other skilled forwards such as Stepan , Hagelin ,Brassard and Krieder also benefiting from AV's increased offence,Nash will have a lot of weight lifted from his shoulders .He should be relaxed and be in beast mode this year.
Who thought this trade was lopsided??? What utterly astounds me is that it took Slats and Torts 2/3rds of the season to publically admit that losing these guys along with Prust and Feds had a major impact on the team. duh - our fearless leaders... Really??? I'm just a fan - come on "experts" get it done!!! (OK rant is done). Yes, energy players are not hard to come by.. Sorry, Gabby trade did not accomplish that, but we got some good return - just different kind of return. I still think a fairly significant trade is happening before the season involving a Dman and a utility player for some grit. We need tough guys. Torts emphasizes team toughness so I can't blame last year's lack there of on him. nash is a good perimeter forward who will crash the net with the puck but he's not going to bring that kind of toughness that we gave up. Still I would make that trade any day but our GM needs to get his head out of the sand and be more on top of the dynamic of his team - this is not a direct jab at Slats - it's just that the suits tend not to get that.
I disagree... I look at both trades as the "Nash" trade.
If we look at Gaborik and Nash straight up... I take Nash. He is younger, bigger and more physical. I loved Gaborik and would have liked to see him in AV's system, but there is no arguing, Nash is a Beast.
We lost dubinsky and Anisimov.... Honestly, I liked Dubi, but plain and simple the guy could not score. He was a heart and soul guy, just like Cally, but Cally could find the net a lot more, and was a better leader. As for AA... always liked him, he seemed like a competitor. However, if you look at it we kept Stepan and he seems to be a much better player, so the right choice was made there.
We got Brassard and Moore. From what I have seen, Brassard has impressed me more than AA ever did. He has the heart, but he also has the talent... just look at some of the passes he makes (backhanded sauce to girardi on the PP goal in the playoffs). Clear win there, and a future stud second line center hopefully. Then, John Moore. Look he is still really young, and with defensman it can go anywhere... but he looked more like Ryan Mcdonagh than DZ, and that my friends is a good thing. He seems to always be looking for the shot (something we have never had), and honestly may make DZ expendable (so he could bring back even more pieces and assets). Moore could be another diamond in the rough.
Lost Erixon and a first rounder: Erixon couldn't even make the team, and while he is still young is stock is a lot lower than when we traded for him. First rounder, we can only wait and see.. with who they drafted.
We got Dorsett... Obviously very limited action this year, but he seemed to be a tough mothef***er. Someone we definitely could use... just ask Mcphee. Need to see more of him for an extended period of time this year.
Overall I think we fleeced them here... Dubi has gone down hill, Gabby has 4 years on Nash, Erixon's stock fell drastically. The only player I am kind of upset over is AA, but with the amount of centers we have now... (Stepan, Brassard, Richards, Lindberg, Miller, Boyle, Moore, and eventually Nieves and St. Croix) he has no place on this team.
Huge win for the Rangers
for all u guys bashin nash, n sayin he disappeared or showed no heart in playoffs, did u guys know that he was givin many off days on practice days durin the playoffs?? "maintenance days" rangers claimed, which means he was injured, n even if he wasnt, who else on rangers did the caps n bruins have 2 worry bout, when defended the rangers other than nash?? no one!
the thing that pissed me off about the Nash trade was that we gave up depth that was EASILY replaceable, but Slats didn't do it. Our entire bottom 6 was 4th liners the first half of the year. pretty funny that some people think CBJ fleeced us tho.....lol
@Andrei Agree on the Caps & Bruins figuring Nash's game out. Just rewatched last season's last game against the Islanders. Even then, they knew to double-team Nash to neutralize him. Of course, the Caps & Bruins followed suit. The Rangers never devised a tactic to free Nash up and get more scoring chances. He had to figure it out himself. Hopefully, that sh!te is over.
I think it's very simple why the Nash trade is not looking very lopsided for the NYR. Don't think it has much to do with losing identity as much as it has to do with simple math. One elite talent for 3 mid-level talents. It's hard to replace that loss of manpower regardless of how elite that one talent is (unless they're Gretzky or Lemieux, and even then it's still hard) Everyone compares Nash's points to Dubi, AA, & Erixon combined, and it's sorta close, but one needs to take into account the intangibles like how much more ice time 3 guys fill up over one, or how many more face-offs can be taken, not to mention depth, spreading defensive coverage, etc.
It's a big reason why the Gabby trade is having the opposite beneficial effect, since basically the NYR did the converse of the Nash trade and replenished their manpower/depth with Moore, Dorsett, and Brassard.
To me Nash seems like a quiet guy... Kind of like Cally, but doesnt play the same game on the ice so he is not a leader on the ice either. Nash lets his play do the talking. He just goes about his business everyday. To me that is not a problem... not every superstar can be Toews or Crosby... they aren't all going to be leaders. Ovechkin still probably should not be.
To me the captain of this team if I had to pick today is Stepan or Mcdonagh. Again we have no idea what goes on in the locker room.
Honestly, if Staal never gets hurt he should be the captain. The way those guys talked about him when he came back... it was liked everyone looked up to him as a God and a key person in the locker room.
This is not saying Cally doesn't deserve it... he just does it in a different way... by playing hard and giving everything he has... but that to me is an A... a C needs to be able to talk, and get everyone ready... idk if Cally does that.
In a perfect world I think Staal wears the C, and Stepan and Cally have A's. But, because of his injuries I would give Step the C and Cally and Staal the A's.
This being said don't even worry about it because AV is not dumb enough to take the C off Cally's chest.
While I agree with most of what you say Kevin, In my opinion Columbus pulled off the trade of the year when they traded away Nash. I must say that I was in favor of the trade when it was announced and up to now it is clear that Dubi,and Artem have proven to be more valuable to Columbus then Nash to the Rangers. IMO. to date, Nash did not prove that he brought the dominance to his new team as did Dubi, and Artem did. Throw in Erickson and it is clear that Columbus struck gold in that trade. Hopefully Nash will become a dominate player and will prove that the trade benefited both teams equally. But as I've said that to date, the Rangers got the short end of the stick. This only my opinion and I'm sure that some people will disagree.
@EHBIGAPPLE As one who values our former coach you know the seeds of they developed that right here. Dubi was nasty and lifted the team much more than his stats would reveal and AA developed nicely as well, and was actually the only center who could get Gabby the puck. Their line should give CBJ fans something to get pumped about but nobody's gonna tell me we didn't win that trade.
@rangermom Don't bogart that joint my friend... players value is not just measured on the scoresheet but you got to give something to get something and like I said I'd do it again in a heartbeat
@Betweentheworlds Who are some players that have market value on the team and are also players the organization wants to get rid of??
@AnnoyingJoe nice one
@FREE LINDBERG I agree in that when all was said and done, the NYR got the better out of both trades. However, the delay of adding the depth the NYR lost in the Nash trade really hurt the team in the long run cause once again, the NYR became a team that relied too heavily on a few players. It really wore on the team in the end, compounded with the push of making the playoffs.
@FREE LINDBERG I haven't seen Erixon since he went to Columbus. I heard somewhere that he made Moore expendable, though. Which is weird, cause I thought Erixon was terrible for the few games he played with the Rangers.
@PenaltySh0t they got fleeced plain and simple
@shoot_the_goalie yes, but different kind of manpower I think. Dorsett is more of an agitator than an energy player and dubi, though not scoring was part of our hearbeat, as was AA - still in the end we picked their pockets I think.
IDK - I think there is still a great captain in Cally waiting to emerge. He's still young for the roll. We'll see...
@scrangersfan Trade of the year?? Really? I think AA was a big sacrifice, and he and Gabby together should give CBJ something to get excited about but I don't think we've seen what Nash can do yet, and he still scored 21 with 42 pts. This would put him just shy of a 40 goal season and he seemed to be a bit out of step at times in Torts' system, or maybe stifled is a better word. Not blaming Torts but Nash is more of a free wheeling play-maker.sniper rather than a Torts player IMO, more of a perimeter guy who can crash the net, especially with the puck and bring fear to the goalie. Potentially a superstar now in his prime. His lack of production in the playoffs is something to look at but it seems to me that undisclosed injury played a part in that.
@scrangersfan how did Dubi and Artie bring dominance to CBJ........they scored a combined 14 goals. And they were both injured quite a bit. CBJ only won ANYTHING because of Bobrovsky. They'd still be a lottery team without him having a miracle of a season.
@scrangersfan erixon... couldnt even make the team last year. Meanwhile Nash would have had 38 goals in a regular season... idk what you are talking about
there's not particularly a "right" answer, anyone may have their opinion (and i'm satisfied just looking at it from different angles), but i appreciate the way you stated your viewpoint
@EHBIGAPPLE It's getting late, was that reply even in English lol
@EHBIGAPPLE @Betweentheworlds Good question EH - Since we're talking about energy players and not superstars MDZ comes to mind. We got some D depth through minor trades. He's young and viewed as a talented guy with potential and offensive upside. this would work only with a rebuilding team though as a contender would not gamble on him IMHO - other than that we'd have to give something to get something. could there be a big move involving Staal and Carolina (Skinner perhaps?). Is Girardi a possibility as his style suggests his value is greater under a Torts like system as opposed to AV's style? I think with our goalie and our modest talent we could contend next year if we get tougher. I don't think it's a matter of who they want to get rid of but rather who they'd be willing to let go of if the right deal came along.
They got fleeced by sather twice in a 9 month period. Sather is the master of robbery regarding trades. FA signings not as good.
@Betweentheworlds I think Cally will develop into a Trevor Linden/Chris Drury type of captain. (Drury was his mentor after all) Quiet, respectful, and widely respected in the locker room and throughout the league. Apparently, from anecdotes, when Drury talked (which wasn't often) everyone in the room listened, including coaches and GMs.
You don't need to be bombastic and outspoken to be a great captain. You don't need to be a Messier.
And frankly, I know we all put Messier on a pedestal, and he did do some great things and helped win a Cup, but if you were to ask Roger Neilson (RIP) or the Canucks that played with Mess, they would say that he was a terrible captain.
@Betweentheworlds @scrangersfan Imagine what he could do with a skilled center who can distribute well. Hopefully that's Brassard or a rejuvenated Richie, but if Joe Thornton could be had, that's where I would pull the trigger. Watching Thornton and Nash play on the same line in the Olympics and HC Davos was a thing of beauty.
@FREE LINDBERG @scrangersfan 38 Goals is just speculating. We won't know that until it happens. the coming season will be a good barometer of what is expected of him . If he scores 38 goals then I would call it a good deal for both teams providing that he will achieve it or came close to achieving it on a consistent bases. Until then, with all do respect, I'll stand by my previous comments
@Betweentheworlds @shoot_the_goalie I think the problem is that Kennan wanted out cause he basically wanted to be the GM and Smith, after winning a Cup, was not going anywhere. So Keenan used a silly bonus violation clause to try to circumvent his contract. So, even if the NYR wanted to keep him, I think the only way it was going to happen is if they fired Smith and let Keenan have his job. Keenan helped win NYR a Cup, but the guy was slimy and power hungry. In fairness, Smith wasn't much better, but at least he didn't jump ship.
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds Great captains in any sport lead by example AND inspire with their words. There are very few Captains in any sport who are able to do both. And as a Yankees fan I can tell you that JETER obviously leads by example and chooses not to inspire by his words.Messier and Clark of the Flyers could do both exceptionally well. J. D. referred to Messier as the greatest Captain in any Sport.
My point is that it's just all about context. Depending on the team dynamic, sometimes you need a Messier type and sometimes you need a Drury type. One size does not fit all.
btw...my memory is shoddy, but I thought Keenan left and left under contract, not due to being fired or forced out. Isn't that why the NYR got compensation in the Nedved trade with the NHL intervening?
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds Nice - and about the Messier bit it's true that he wasn't always well regarded - though we put him on a pedestal because those of us who followed the game closely in '94, and I mean reading beneath the press know that he got us that cup by stepping us and leading this team when a disasterous dynamic developed. Keenan, though he had his upside and a fine coaching record to prove it was somewhat of a meglomaniac and had lost the locker room as well as favor from the brass. You don't just fire a coach, or force him to leave the year after winning a cup (to replace him with that joke Campbell) if something serious wasn't happening. We talk about Torts losing the locker room but that was nothing (according to undisclosed reports) in comparison and Mess stepped up and held that team together and took over part of the coaches duties according to some. I was kinda hoping the Cally would do similar last season cause I knew very early on Torts was losing respect and favor from his players - could see it in their play and body language 10 games into the season, but again Ryan is young and just learning the ropes. You can be quiet but got to step up when needed. I'm sure he did and that last year was probably a huge growth one for him
@Betweentheworlds How old is Thornton?
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds Jagr is a hard guy to play with and Nyl had great poise and puck control and gelled so well with jagr (both Europeans btw), so our genius of a GM decided to let him go in order to sign the most over rated player in the world, that of course being the NAmerican Gomez becuase he was younger thinking that Gomez's speed and playmaking would be a good fit (again as my previous point odds favor Euros and Americans won't gel on the same line - hockey 101) - really Slats??? I was so angry about this and the predictable disaster unfolded the following season right on cue. Gomez sucked and jagr babied out and stopped trying because nobody could get him the puck. Watching Nyl and Jagr together with Straka was a thing of beauty. Too bad
@Betweentheworlds I think the problem with the recent roster of NYR centers is that they never seem to have centers that draw the opposition to them, thus opening up the ice for the snipers. The last NYR center that I can recall doing that was Nylander, and that's why he worked so well with Jagr, cause he would open the ice up for Jagr to get into sniping position.
That tells you how talented Gabby is and how talented Nash is in that they can score goals, without a solid center, all the while being defended by the top guys on the opposing team.
I've drooled over the prospect of getting Thornton, once the NYR acquired Nash, as I've seen a bunch of Thornton/Nash and it's amazing to watch, cause defenders have no idea who to go to and it always seems to leave one of them open to score.
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds @scrangersfan The problem with Gabby was he had no center like that and still got 42 that 1st year - imagine if he had the right center. AA was the closest - then our GM paid Richey huge $$ to be that set up guy, but woops - a N. American centering a European?? It can work but odds don't favor it. They're schooled so differently. Hockey 101 Slats, but either way they were going to get Richey, just didn't work out for Gabby. Now Nash should be a better fit if Richey get's it back, or Brass - last year he looked best with Step - all N Americans. Should be a good year if he stays healthy.
@FREE LINDBERG @scrangersfan As I observed and others followed suit there was an undisclosed injury to Nash in the playoffs, "maintenance" days, no wristers, etc. Also he was double teamed and up against the best defenders each game. Hockey is a team sport and as a team they failed to exploit their most dangerous weapon (though again being most likely injured compromised that weapon). I cited quite often that Torts failed to employ strategy but who's to say that he did, but the team failed to execute. Whatever, they'll have a full season to figure it out and "hopefully" figure out how to open up some ice for him come next playoffs, assuming that we get in.
@scrangersfan @FREE LINDBERG I am just saying, some people lost sight... that last year was a great season for Rick Nash.... Not MVP caliber, but great none the less. He had 21 goals and 40+ points in 42 games. That is solid, even by Rick Nash standards. (Not to mention he had that concussion issue).
The problem was he did not produce in the playoffs. I will give him a pass, one year, but another year like that in the playoffs, and I will become skeptical... no excuses anymore. We need playoff GOALS from him... not assists or anything else.