A day after Larry Brooks at the New York Post reported that the Rangers had no interest in Colorado's RFA Ryan O'Reilly, Pat Leonard at the Daily News says the Blueshirts are in fact interested in the Avalanche center.
O'Reilly has 39g, 68a in three seasons with Colorado.
...the Rangers are going to be in cap hell the next few years so signing O'Reilly to a lucrative deal doesn't make sense. Now obviously they'd be sending players back (think Stepan or Miller), but O'Reilly's demands will likely be more than both of them.
...plus O'Reilly and Stepan have had virtually identical stats the last few years, so why would the Rangers swap essentially the same player? They should continue to develop Stepan, who has been rejuvenated since Nash was put on his wing.
Trade away Gabby or a solid Ranger player now would be blowing up the SC chance this team has carefully worked years for.Crazy. As for the other trades for a good center- we really don't want to trade away Stepan or Miller-they will both be stars-they're really good and will succeed eventually at a higher level-big time, imo..So That leaves MDZ- we have McIlrath on the way, so we could have another quality dman ready in a while, but we would need some more offence back there-have to replace the lost offence from the d if they trade MDZ.
I don't budge on this and I am insulted at the suggested. MDZ and Stepan are both more valuable in both the short and long term, and they already know the system and the atmosphere.
Unless i missed something and the rules were drastically changed by the new CBA, if the NYR sign O'Reilly to an offer sheet, the only thing they lose is draft picks...a player cannot be traded after he signs an offer sheet - he either goes to the offering team or returns to his old team if they match - and he cannot be traded if they match (remember Shea Weber?) So, the only trade would be for the rights to O'Reilly, and I would say little or no chance of that happening. Only way NYR get him is if they sign him to an offer sheet and the Avs decline to match.
I read the blog all the time and reserve comment until I feel there's something I absolutely must respond to. Are you people seriously wanting to trade Gaborik our leading scorer for this Oreilly kid who hasn't really proven his worth?
The Rangers were willing to give a big contract to Justin Schultz so they apparently will find a way to get the guy they want. The idea is to steal O'Reilly like the Sens stole Turris. Can they fleece the Avs? It all depends on what the competion is offering.
I've always felt that the bias on this site and amongst commentators has been to overvalue the current players on the Rangers roster and their prospects. It's understandable, since we are all Ranger fans, but often it's out of hand. With respect to Stephan, however, I think it goes the other way - he's undervalued. The guy is 22. Yes, he's had trouble finishing so far this year, but unlike Richards, he's getting his chances. Do the Rangers have a better center than Stephan right now? (Incidentally, Ranger fans, poor play at center has been the teams greatest weakness so far this year). Stephan has tremendous skill with the puck, has fantastic hockey sense, has dramatically improved on face-offs and is decent along the boards. He is and will be a solid top-six forward for a long time. I'd be disappointed if the team gave up on him, especially given what he costs them. As another aside, I mentioned last week that bringing up Miller was a strange choice given his unremarkable play at Hartford and suggested that he may be getting showcased. Everyone thought I was crazy, maybe now, not so much.
Andrew, essentially same role. Middle of the road offensive production, pk and faceoffs. O'Reilly much better on faceoffs and yes more physical.
I don't see how this happens. The kid wants a multi-year deal at 5M per. In order for that to work we'd have be trading salary back the other way. I'd say trade Gaby in exchagne for O'Reilly, a 2nd/3rd pair D and a #1, but that ain't gonna happen.
As much as I love Step and love him being a ranger, Stepan and O'reilly are not the same player sadly...O'reilly is much better....one of the top two way centers out there and hes just 22. Awesome on faceoffs and in his own zone and great penalty killer and just starting to scratch the surface offensively. He is perfect for Torts system. He would be great #2 center for the rangers....I would give up stepan, a defense prospect like brady and a prospect like skeji or fogarty. I hear the Avs are looking for a Dman in return so it might be hard to do but hes definitely worth it.
They have similar stats but aren't the same player. O'Reilly is a more physical player with more "jam" in his game, which the Rangers are lacking with the loss of Dubi, Prust, etc.
@HJB91 I just cant see what good Gaborik is doing out there. He scores from time to time, but NEVER makes something happen. Soft on the boards and seems to have trouble hitting the net. Let him go!
@HJB91 Things have gotten out of control in Rangersland lately.
@shishya100 Stole turris? Turris is good but some analysts still think today that Phoenix got the better end of that trade. At the time David Runblad was considered one of the top 5 NHL prospects and many people still see him as a top line offensive defenseman.
@slapshot13j No way that gets it done.
@rangersfan Always overvalue Rangers property. For me in the case of O'Reilly vs. Stepan, I don't see a major upgrade, so why not keep our guy? Rangers fans always talk about wanting more homegrown guys, but when the FA of the month is out there they can't wait to ship them away.
@thelink44 Not sure how you can say O'Reilly is much better than Stepan. Stepan had 96 pts his first two yrs while O'Reilly had 52. Stepan is also a very good penalty killer as well. Where O'Reilly is better is in faceoffs.
rejuvenated is too strong of a word. but he has been better. which isn't saying much
@KevinDeLury I agree. Steph's our guy and he's coming. His stats are better than O'Reilly's, for whatever that's worth, which is something. The question is: what about Gaborik and a prospect for O'Reilly? For all the talk about how Gaborik is now willing to do the dirty stuff, I don't see it. Probably not in favor of giving up Gaborik for O'Reilly, but salary has to go the other way if it happens and Gaborik most likely candidate or, dare I say it, Richards?
@KevinDeLury @thelink44 First off, O'Reilly's first two yrs were when he was 18 and 19, the two years that Stepan was still at Wisco, so the comparison of the first two years doesn't work so well. If you compare last year, they had similar offensive years, O'reilly had 55 points while Step had 51. But there is actually a huge difference in how effective each player was. First off, Stepan's relative Corsi rating (a great measure of both puck possession as well as territorial advantage) for '11-'12 was -1.8, while O'Reilly's was 12.4. Thats a huge difference and those possession/shot differential numbers become even more staggering when considering that O'Reilly had offensive zone starts of 50% while Stepan had 62% ozone starts. Only one Avs forward had a lower ozone start percentage, while only one Ranger (Gabby) had a higher ozone start percentage than Step. Furthermore, O'Reilly played against much better competition with O'Reilly having a .035 QoC rating, while Step had a .015 QoC Rating. Torts sheltered Step's playing time (as he should) while O'Reilly was given tough assignments and performed incredibly well. With regards to defensive play and play in their own zone, its hands down O'Reilly. O'Reilly had 101 takeaways last year while Step had 51 (101 would have been the most on the Rangers by 50). I think all of that demonstrates that on a worse team, with less good offensive opportunities and against tougher competition, O'Reilly was still the better player in almost every category last year. And furthermore, O'Reilly has tons of room to grow as a player. I believe he would the perfect second line center for years to come for any team. I think he is underrated one of the better young players in the game and will start to show how good he is once he gets back playing. I love Stepan and I love that he is a Ranger through and through but O'Reilly is the better player and the type of second line center that can be essential to winning a cup.
@AnnoyingJoe @Beckfan5 Stepan's game is about more than just points. He's been more noticeable and that line is Rangers best right now. But yeah, rejuvenated probably was too strong of a word or maybe just an indication of how bad he was.
@KevinDeLury rangers just recalled Kreider
@rangersfan I was thinking Richards as well, but who the hell would take that contract.
@AnnoyingJoe @KevinDeLury Thats not close to true...any type of statistic has meaning. Its not like these are abstract stats, they are pretty simple to understand. Corsi judges the difference between amount of shots taken by your team versus the amount of shots taken by the opposition while on the ice. Thats a pretty solid indicator of possession and territorial advantage. The fact that Stepan had a negative corsi while having 62% offensive zone starts shows that while he is on the ice, the rangers lose possession of the puck more often than not. O'Reilly is the opposite. And given the quality of competition difference that makes O'Reilly look even better. And again QoC isnt a abstract stat either, its pretty simple. These stats are like WAR in baseball or stuff like projections of what players are and how good they are. these are simple things taken from actual events occurring during a game.
@KevinDeLury @thelink44 baseball you can quantify with numbers, stats. It's such a static game, you can predict and define players very accurately by looking at their numbers. Hockey? Such a fluid game with innumerable intangibles...? it doesn't work.
@thelink44 I still don't see it as a major upgrade. Plus O'Reilly hasn't played NHL hockey in 8 months, didn't have a training camp and will be learning a new system.
@thelink44 Ugh, the Corsi rating. The excuse making calculation.
@KevinDeLury @Beckfan5 @AnnoyingJoe A. You're grasping B. That's good enough to be a fourth line center C. I guess you forgot the turnover at the end of last game where Grabner stripped him of the puck (because he saw the ice so well) and had a breakaway opportunity to win the game for the Islanders.
@KevinDeLury He is finally in position to put up numbers, however, hes not putting them in. One timer was blocked against the Islanders, he had a short side opportunity that he missed on also...lets just hope he can start closing the deal on these plays so we cant trade him.
@KevinDeLury the line is working and he is progressing which is more than can be said for a few others on the team!