After last night's game, Bruce Garrioch at the Ottawa Sun posted an article that stated the Rangers have stepped up their efforts to try and move Michael Del Zotto, and that the asking price is a top-four blueliner in return.
I have to assume this was written before Marc Staal's apparent concussion, because if long term, this injury likely thwarts any potential Del Zotto trade the Rangers were contemplating.
Not only does a Staal absence leave a huge hole in the Rangers defense that Del Zotto could be looked upon to fill, it likely destroys any leverage Glen Sather might have had as he now becomes desperate for a defensive replacement on the trade market.
...i have been more than critical of Del Zotto on this blog, but trading a defenseman who, in my mind, still has potential for a lesser commodity based on this situation would be the height of a panic move.
...now I'm not just saying hand Del Zotto the keys to top 4 minutes on defense, but it makes no sense to allow this circumstance to force Sather's hand.
...to me, this situation screams for a McIlrath call-up. Not only are the Rangers in obvious need of defensive depth, the fact that Staal's so-called teammates just sat on their hands (the way they did when Nash was knocked out twoce) while their oft-concussed defenseman laid sprawled out on the ice proves they are in desperate need of some toughness.
...just look at the game last night. Once the Devils began to play physical, the Rangers wilted. They had zero answers. No way with McIlrath in the lineup he allows that to happen. Can I guarantee that McIlrath is ready for prime time? Absolutely not. But at some point the Rangers need to give this kid a chance. Now seems as good of a time as any.
I agree with the McIllrath comment. Bring him up, he's worked on his game enough down there. He can get coached up here, and he'll get the minutes. I'd cycle him in the third and fourth line to get him used to the system, but I wouldn't ask him to "pinch", he doesn't have the skill. Let him join the rush that J Moore creates, or be a stay-at-home guy. Tell him to clear the crease, give him PK time, and turn him into a Dubi-type player with good coaching.
In the meantime, send Pylon and poopsalot down to the fourth line if at all, and throw them into a package deal, including Del Zaster, for a good player on another team .. either a team looking to offload and rebuild, or a team that has a need for useless players (pylon), players with "upside" that hasn't been reached (poops) and a young guy who needs a change of scenery (Del Zaster)
I nominate myself for assistant GM. I can't skate, and my shoulder's labrum is torn apart worse than a 42nd street whore from the 70s. Hope that's ok.
Well, it didn't take long, but the inevitable happened. Marc Staal was playing on borrowed time. I had been hoping for Sather to trade him in the beginning of this year, and posted it a few times here knowing I'd receive the wrath of this fan base here. Carolina would have given us about anything to unite all the brothers ( a package of Skinner + a first was probable based on what they gave away to Pittsburgh, and the fact they were looking to clear away Skinner for cap space). Now, we lose that probable trade plus we have a hole to fill on defense. Once again Sather is not proactive or thinking productively. I hope he chokes on his cigar.
This is a team of CREAM PUFFS. The only player willing to throw down is Dorsett and he is supremely undersized. This has been a huge problem ever since we let Colto. Orr leave. Unfortunately this team has no balls.
Does anyone have an idea what kind of minutes Mcllrath is playing in Hartford? 15-20? 2nd Pair? PK? He was a first rounder, so the idea is that he projects better than a 3rd pair enforcer or 7th D. Working with Beukeboom in the AHL & having Samuelsson on the bench with the big club bode well for his development.I'd say it's Allen or Mclirath that get the call if Staal is out for an extended period of time. I don't think Johnson or Bickel are looked at as options for the big club.
They need a lot more than The Undertaker but that would be a good start. Time to grow up kid. If Staal goes into PCS for any length of time his career will be in jeopardy. Too Sad. Could have been one of the greats. I loved the epic battles against Ovy and The Kid. Hoping he's OK. Sather's an idiot and players are paying the price with career threatening concussions, shoulder surgeries etc. no guarantees and injuries can always happen but you reduce the odds when you have a tough team behind you. He's had 2 seasons to get stronger meaner players since he gave up the farn for Nash but instead sat on his hands.
It sounds like a lot of people just want a goon. That's fine, but goons rarely play D anymore. If McIlrath isn't ready to actually play the position, he needs to stay in Hartford. Bring up Johnson or Allen and go find a goon who can play 5 min a night on the 4th line.
Personally, I don't think we need a goon, just need a few bottom 6 guys with size who play with grit.
Flawed roster, flawed management equals mediocre team. I agree to for about mcallrath call up. He will go through allot of growing pains but this squad is incredibly soft. He needs to start pounding the piss out of people.
How can you expect to get a better player for delzaster straight up - a trade for a top 4 blue liner with a right handed bomb that sticks up for his teammates is going to cost us a lot more than just dz. Even when slats fleeced the Habs Mactruck was an unknown and blossomed into a beast! DZ is in the category of a possible 1st round bust and is at best a project that may or may not pan out for the new team. Slats will have to package more than that to get a true replacement / upgrade for staal who I am devastated to say is likely out indefinitely. Let's hope it's not another Sauer but he took two significant hits to the head lastnight and almost immediately showed sighs of another concussion. In the interim I am sure DZ goes in and someone gets called up. As many fans have said maybe it's time for the undertaker to make his MSG debut.... I doubt that's the long term answer for this season, but unless slats works some major magic today it might have to do. Time to focus on crushing the craps! LGR!!!
Connor Allen or Aaron Johnson not in the conversation? Think both are ahead of Mcilrath on the depth chart
Agreed with McIllrath comments. It's not like this team is a Cup contender. How bad can he be in there at this time with all of his AHL experience. As for MDZ, I would still move him if the trade were right.
Why does this change anything if the return is a top-four blueliner? Maybe Sather now has to throw a pick or a prospect in to get someone who's ready to play 18-20 minutes a night, but it's not like he was hoping for a top 6 forward in return, and now we need DZ to fill in.
@Scott from SEC 224 from what I've heard he's 1st pair alternating with Conor Allen.
Posted this last week or so. Would be happy if it went down.
I would have offered MDZ, Brian Boyle & a 3rd Round pick.
Zack Smith & Eric Gryba.
(A) Not having MDZ, B) Gryba would slide in well as a 3rd pair D- Man with Faulk waiting in the wings as a 7th D & Allen & McIrath waiting in Hartford if anyone slips or Injury.C) Smith is a gritty player that can chip in some goals. He's locked up for 3 more years at a reasonable 1.875 Cap hit. He can play 3rd line minutes & Kill some penalties. He plays center & the wing. The team needs to change some of it's identity.
Not a blockbuster but does anyone think either MDZ or Boyle is going to be here next year?
Agreed, but where are you finding that person? McIlrath was drafted for this exact reason. Let's bring him up and give him a chance.
@PenaltySh0t Long-term injury to Staal would negate that now
@KreiderisTheChosenOne Aaron Johnson is historically bad at the NHL level. I agree with giving Allen a shot however.
I agree that both are better defensively, but this team needs some major league toughness on the blueline.
Locker room can't be very tight if no one has each other's back. Where's the captain on that? Team plays like wussies which empowers other teams to take cheap shots when they play us.
I think Sather's desperation for a defenseman loses him the leverage to get that kind of return, which I don't think he was getting anyway.
@Scott from SEC 224 I would love to trade for Gryba and Smith, and I think we can get it done without Boyle or the pick, but give them Pouliot (Ottawa seems to like skaters and Pouliot fills that bill). Gryba & Smith will bring us some toughness...finally. WOULD - LOVE - THIS
@Kevin DeLury I have to agree here. I'd like to give McI a chance because our "veteran leaders" on D are really not cutting it this season. If they want to play like garbage, let a young and hungry kid take their spots.
We also have a guy named Bickel. He had an awful camp and obviously has limited skills but he does have NHL experience and can play forward as well.
@Kevin DeLury I agree with you Kevin, I have been calling for McIlrath for weeks. We need someone to protect the skilled players. What is going on now is shameful. Did anyone noticed Thornton on Boston after his teammates got hit. I agree he took it too far but he made his point. We need someone like that on our team. so lets bring up McIlrath.
@PenaltySh0t Yes it does. If DZ was getting dealt though it should be a forward.
@jslnyr1102 I knmow that I'm going to get a lot of flack for comment but IMO. Callahan is a captain in name only. They need a more vocal and tougher player to lead this team like the Toronto captain.
Sather waited too long to make a move. Team has needed an upgrade in toughness for weeks now and Del Zotto was the chip to move.
@Kevin DeLury Kevin, can't agree more. Sather isn't or never was going to be able to move Del Zotto for a top four dman. McIlrath's league leading penalty minutes and physical presence is exactly what this team needs. He's going to make rookie mistakes and isn't going to be this team's knight in shining armor, but I'm pretty sure he'll strike some fear into teams looking to have their way with our guys.
Josh, what comes around goes around. You started your comment by saying " are you Bickel in disguise " or something condescending like that. I won't insult your intelligence if you do not insult mine. As for the rest of your comment I appreciate your insight. I've heard the same about McIlrath and agree that we should give him a shot but his skating as peesent still makes him a liability, however his ability to clear the net makes him worth getting a look here under our current circumstances IMHO. Also Bickel seemed to start out last season OK but digressed under Torts, so where as the system suited him better the coaching style may not have.
@Betweentheworlds Bickel had a chance in a system that would have suited him better while Torts was around. All I'm reading about with McIlrath is how his game has improved a lot since we saw him in the pre-season. He seems to be smarter with the puck, he's playing his physical game and he's fighting. While he isn't the perfect option right now, I'd rather see him up than deal with watching Bickel. It's possible neither players game will translate all that well in AV's system. Plus reading what Gordie said about McIlrath is encouraging.
Also, don't question my intelligence. It's insulting.
Josh, I'm not in favor of bringing in people who are non-player goons either but unless you have a better idea why not? Unless you enjoy seeing all your good players hurt with no reaction. I do agree with you though about giving the undertaker a shot but if you know squAt sbout this team you know he's not an NHL defenseman yet either and does not skate well backwards or change directions well yet. He will be a good player soon but not yet so why be so quick to bring him up, and dismiss Bickel, who's equally as inept but has NHL experience and is a proven tough guy???
@Betweentheworlds Are you Stu Bickel in disguise trying to get people on your side to call you up? Bickel isn't a hockey player. Yes, Bickel can goon it up but he's not a good defensemen. If McIlrath can show he can fight while playing solid minutes as an actual hockey player then bring him up and let him do what he has to do.
@cb1 Excuse me, I meant dman takes longer to develop.
@cb1 I agree, but you won't know until you give him a chance. It's not like Allen or Johnson are top four dmen or they'd already be skating with the Rangers. Besides neither Allen or Johnson are positives in the +/- column. McIlrath is sitting at 0. Yes he struggled in the preseason, so did Kreider. Now look at him. Yes forward takes longer to develop, but that's not the point. McIlrath possesses what this team needs and the organization is going to need him to be a part of their future. With the injury to Staal this is a perfect chance to see if he's ready. If not send him back down. Just like with Kreider, Miller, or Fast. Totally normal process.
Just to set things straight with cally. I'm not criticizing his playing ability I'm down with his leadership abilities. When you have a bunch of chumps who won't stand up for other teammates as capt. you have to go out and set an example then.