Update, 5:23 p.m.:
...can you say shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic? More of the same from the Rangers organization. McIlrath gets zero chance at the NHL level and Miller will get five minutes on the fourth line for a week before being sent back down. No wonder this team is stuck in mediocrity.
...btw, could the handling of Miller this season be anymore similar to Kreider last year? Hey, maybe Miller will turn the corner in a year also.
With the NHL roster freeze looming tonight at 11:59pm, Alain Vigneault indicated that he'll huddle this afternoon with Glen Sather and Assistant GNs Jim Schoenfeld and Jeff Gorton to discuss what, if any, personnel moves the Rangers will make before the deadline (via Bergen Record)...
“The freeze is later on tonight, we’ll discuss our lineup with management and decide what we’re going to do, maybe send some people down, call some people up. We’re going to look at what gives us the best chance to win but considering there’s a freeze we’re going to look a little further ahead and discussing it with Glen and Jeff and Jim and the coaching staff and see where we believe we are. It’s discussions you have on a daily basis with management but it’s probably going to be a little bit more in depth today.”
Vigneault acknowledged that McIlrath would be a player discussed and then went on at length about the development of Danny Kristo in Hartford...
“I’ve heard from talking with Ken (Wolf Pack coach Ken Gernander) and Jim has been down there and Jeff just came down from watching their last game, that there’s a lot of skill. You can tell he’s got great hands. But sometimes those highly skilled players want to do a little bit too much with the puck, things that aren’t there. It’s led to a few turnovers that the coaches are working with and trying to get those down a little bit. Overall, they’ve seen a good progression with his play, a good progression with his conditioning and they’re happy with how he’s coming along.”
Kristo leads the Wolfpack with 11 goals and 20 points.
...with Sather having a private discussion with Pyatt yesterday and AV's comments regarding Kristo today, you have to think transactions involving those two players are forthcoming.
...from all the quotes I've heard from Rangers management on Kristo, it sounds like they're still concerned about his propensity to hold on to the puck too long and as well as his defensive deficiencies. However, those things might end up being overlooked if he continues to thrive offensively while the Rangers falter.
...as far as McIlrath goes, I'd be upset to see him sent back so soon without being given a fair opportunity to acclimate himself to the speed of the NHL game. I still feel that his toughness is very much needed in the Rangers lineup as evidenced by the lack of response to Lundqvist being run over last night. Having said that, if AV doesn't feel comfortable giving him a regular turn in the defensive rotation, I'd much rather see him continuing to develop in Hartford than rotting in the press box with the Rangers.
For full video of AV's comments, click here.
Off topic, but had to post this as I saw it on another blog:
Sneak peak at the Stadium Series jersey? http://i.imgur.com/AKP01Hi.jpg
11:15 and haven't heard nothing about a move before the freeze. anyone hear anything? I guess it's on Zucc then to be our enforcer, our team leader in hits, our playmaker, our scorer, that is until someone takes him out because there is no one to protect him. Yeah, ill-equipped or not these players have to start finding their inner warriors. Sadly this is not a team. Just a group of individuals going to work each day. I think too many of them are worried about staying healthy so they get maximum dollars on the free agent market. When will they come together and become a team....
stop crying about the toughness ladies jesus christ.. were not scoring fucking goals we dont need to add fighters to the lineup... we do need the guys we have in there to play tougher and have eachothers back since we seem to lack that pack mentality... i dont think were that far off... get callahan back and get rid of boyle for christ sake the guys one of the softest players on the team and hes the biggest hes so soft on the puck... he lacks ne offensive ability hes the worst passer on the team if he does pass... del zotto has to go also hes horrible in his own end and he seems like hes on the ice for almost every goal but if u take away the unfair road trip at the beginning of the season the teams hasnt been bad im not sure what the record it is without it... we got guys that will play better then they are now so it will turn around offensively stepan nash brassard... only guys playin to there potential on the entire team are zuccarello richards and mcdonagh straight up
""If you can't beat'em in the alley, you can't beat'em on the ice""
Been saying it since January of last year....this team is all-world soft. You knew something was terribly wrong with the club when Oprik crushed Kreider and not one thing was done about it. That was a huge warning sign.
And what did I say would happen? I said that teams and players would take notice of this softness...and the rest of the league would attack...like sharks sensing blood in the water.
I said that opposing teams would start taking runs at our skilled players....and that we would start losing players to injury because of it.
Was I wrong or right?
I screamed constantly about Haley being called up. That the kid was ready and he was a high-energy, tough player which this team desperately needed. And when he finally was called up, he played well.
Was I right or wrong?
I begged for the Rangers to trade for Ryanne Clowe....because this team desperately needed a big, rugged enforcer type to add to the line-up. (Sadly, we traded for damaged goods) The trade did happen.
Was I right or wrong?
I clamored for Haley to be added to the playoff roster.
Was I right or wrong?
I begged on this board for Haley to be in the line-up for the start of Bruins series, out of fear the the Bruins would be physically outmatched.
Was I right or wrong?
Haley was added to the line-up way too late in the series. And that Torts handling of the toughness aspect in the Bruins series....(especially after Torts screwed up Game 2 of the Senator series...by not getting Scott in the line-up....because you knew the Sens were going to come out ultra physical...which they did...and took the momentum...which led to a draining 7 Game series...oh, and Boyle has never been the same since the hit he took)....all this mishandling of the toughness aspect could lead to a Torts getting canned.
Was I right or was I wrong?
I'm not trying to brag....I'm trying to make a very important point. Sure, i played in the CHL for a while as a tough guy...I may have a little more insight as former player. But you don't have to play this game to have an understanding of it. You can be a huge fan and just love hockey...and be a student of the game.....and watch a lot of hockey.....and have a great understanding and insight into the game. They're are many astute hockey minds on this board...which is one of the biggest reasons why I joined.
But that fact that I'm a has been who never was....and from my bedroom I can watch this team play....and be days, weeks and months ahead in calling for what this team needs....and wait for the club to catch-up.....it is a damning indictment of our organization.
And let's get this straight about Dorsett. Love his heart and passion...but he is what he is....he is an instigator, who is a lightweight fighter. He is more grit than toughness. And just having him in the line-up...by himself....is a joke from a tough guy point of view. If a team's plan is to play a rough, intimidating style of play against us....Dorsett is not going to make them alter their game plan. Because Dorsett is not a DETERRENT. All that will happen is that Dorsett will have to fight on almost a nightly basis...with players out of his weight class....which will most likely lead to injury...which has already happened....and will most likely happen again. And the non-fighter like Boyle will then have to fight...just because he will get challenged because he's one the biggest Rangers. And the Boyle beatdowns will continue.......
What will it take for this organization to wake-up and address one of its biggest weaknesses. Will it take a cheap shot, or a hard clean hit to knock out a Hags....or Stepan or Nash for the rest of the season? Will it take a player like Kreider getting picked on because of his size....resulting in Kreider dropping his gloves...and maybe getting his orbital bone or jaw shattered?? Will it take Hank getting hit yet again in net....and him finally getting hurt and missing extensive time??
What will it take to address an issue that I and other on this board clearly see needs to be addressed....and soon !?!?
First things first.....as soon as Haley is healed up...get him up here. This kid is NHL ready to play on the fourth line....NOW!! High energy player who will take the body and make the board shake on every shift. Very good middleweight fighter...add extra toughness....and ease the Dorsett's workload.
Trading deadline.....A want a
ferocious hitter....either on D or a forward. Someone, when he's on the
ice.....opposing players are always concerned where he is. Once
again....the adage..."when you're thinking on the ice, you're not
playing".....applies. This team need to pick up their hitting game.
And lastly....if you're not going to give McIlrath a shot.....I want an ENFORCER. Not just a fighter...but an INTIMIDATER...A DETTERENT!!!!
In the next 9 games....5 of those teams are in are in the Top 12 in fighting majors. We get to play the Maples leafs twice in the next two weeks....they lead the league in fighting majors.
Remember...its better to have an enforcer on your bench and not need him....then to need an enforcer and not have him.
Sorry for the rant.....just pissed they couldn't give McIlrath more than two games and 13 minutes as a try-out of sorts. Good job giving him a chance.
honestly dont mind these... really did not want them to drastically change anything... Keep it simple, and I think they will look nice
are those shirts or jerseys??
Since u seem to be the only gentleman up right now lol give me your lineup that you would like to see by the trade deadline. a realistic one
First i heard about the freeze also, what is going to happen tommorow lol!
What did Icycup call them....."Co-workers..instead of teammates". how true..
You can't take Zucc out. He's too small and fast to hit. And if you do hit him than you have to reconcile with his tiny fists of fury.
@Betweentheworlds MZA is second on the team in points only to Richards who is -4 (Zucc is 0). He's the Rangers best player, overall, considering how much money he makes. MZA FTW
Your right we need to score but wel start scoring more with some toughness that can make some room. Like nash, he cant play in the playoffs again if we dont have guys making room for him because he hates getting hit he will just give the puck away and hes not going to be able to skate through 3 or 4 defenders . too soft. he doesnt play physcical. time to get bigger and faster
@JoeAntostoughness and grit opens up ice and creates scoring chances and goals for the more skilled players. We ain't got that.. that's why no goals. Hockey 101!
I'm sorry Mrs. Antos....but maybe you didnt watch any games last year. Your goal scorers got smacked around and run at...night in and night out last year. If you don't think that takes a toll....think again.
The game isnt just about goalscoring. There's a balance to it.
You don't think we're that far off?? Did you watch that Bruins series last year...4th line manhandled us. Did you watch the Sens series the year before....another team that physically went to town on us.
This is the way it works. You throw a soft line-up out there...and teams are going to run your skilled players....its a guarantee. It's exactly what happened to us last year. And it will happen again the rest of this year if you dont get some tough..aka fighters....aka...deterrents in ths line-up
@McPhee37 have u told haley about how u feel about him?.. if so does he have a restraining order against you?
@McPhee37You're right of course, and many of us have been saying similar. Interesting you mention boyle because up until now you're the only other one Ive seen besides myself here who's mentioned this change since he met Mr. Neil (who was btw a one man wrecking crew against our club last year and no one did a damn thing about it). Haivng suffered multiple concussions and PCS myself I understand the trauma of it, and in fact I stopped kick boxing when I was 31 because it got old getting my bell rung and nose broken. Also I worry about Zucc - he's a guy with guile and tends to avoid hits but the little runt (who's my size btw) is a nasty MF'er and it won't be long till teams start hunting him down. I saw something special in this kid as soon as he came in for his 2nd tour of duty here and have been his agent and advocate on this board ever since, and he's emerging as one of our best players now but without balance in our lineup he'll be negated, or injured come 2nd half of the season. Anyway I hear you brother. Bringing Haley here would be a good start. BTW I am not a hockey player but an astute fan of 40 years of this game so I cannot have the insights of many on this board who have played (well I did play goalie in high school but that doesn't really count) but I do feel I'm right more than I'm wrong about stuff here with this team and this game and it seems apparent that Sather, who was a pretty tough guy himself in his playing days (so no one can tell me he doesn't get it) simply must not care about these athletes one bit. Not building a balanced team of brawn and skill puts every player out there at greater risk of serious injury than need be. Disgusting! He should be ashamed of himself and resign. It's absolutely beyond disgraceful and disrespectful and shows that he doesn't give a rats ass about the safety of his players.
Look like sweaters/jerseys to me... I'm guessing they have the "chrome" logo on the front...
@Wallace1@Betweentheworlds @_JackHe's got guile and is very hard to hit but someone will nail him soon if there is no real deterrent out there. For a while it was funny for the league, "who is this troll with the hockey stick..blah blah blah" but now he's playing with quite the edge and pissing people off. Oh and btw you can add to my list of attributes above: team agitator, on ice leader, off ice leader.... etc. these guys in blue don't seem to get it that the best way to stay healthy and get your big contract next year is to become a team, work together as a team, fight back and watch each other's behinds and have fun. this is a kid's game, but it's a warrior's game. Being passive is going to get everyone killed out there.
It's amazing World....i tell ya. I don't know how this guy Joe Antos is....but maybe he grew up during the new-age hockey era.
Opening up the ice...creating space...tough guys do that..fighters. You're absolutely correct.
If Joe is still reading......this is for you...
Why do you think Graves was on Messier's line. Yes, Gravy..great player...but he was there also to create space and open up the ice by pounding on anyone who even breathed on Messier. Sure, Messier could handle himself....but you dont want your best player in the penalty box all night.....so Gravy opened up the ice for him.
Why do you think Leetch was paired with Beukeboom? same premise.
Heck...look at the 94 playoff roster....Kocur(most dangerous right hand in hockey...Kypreos....Wells...Gravy....Beuk....a lot of throwers in that line-up.
Look at the Great One.....you think he would have survived...never mind becoming the Great One that he was....if not for people opening up the ice for him??
What was Dave Semenko's nickname..."Gretsky's Bodyguard"....and who was his bodyguard after that....McSorley. Gretsky wouldnt even agree to the trade to the Kings unless his bodyguard was included in the deal.
Keep reading the board Joe....and maybe you'll learn a few things kid.
That's should have been handle. Right then. But karma is a bitch isn't it..... He thought he could do that to everyone and Thornton. Took care of that... bet u Orpik. Won't be doing to many of those hits anymore
Love the kid. From a tough guy stand point....i can tell when a young player is ready to make the leap to the next level. And this kid is ready. I didnt see the same in McIrath last year...which is why I never asked for him to be called up.
Plenty of people mocked me for my insistence about him coming up. But I believed he changed some minds when got the call. And by the time the Bruins series was almost done....people were begging for him to get in the line-up.
The kid's a worker. He's tough. He's worked on other areas in his game....has taken on a leadership role. It's a no-brainer...Asham is 35...Haley is 27. He is a better skater....better hitter...and a better fighter. Once he's healed up ....you have a everyday 4th line waiting for the call.
You and I agree.on a lot of things brother. And just because you didnt play the game....doesnt mean you don't have the proper insights. 40 yrs brother....that's called being a student of the game....and that gives your insights and posts the same weight as mine....in my opinion.
As for Zuccs...he keeps playing well.....someone will blow him. And who's going to prevent that from happening?
When Dorsett went down...and Veeno left the line-up devoid of any toughness. That's when i started the Veeno countdown clock.. that was a disgrace.
@BRING BACK DUBI I know I'm in the minority but I absolutely HATED the liberty logo
@McPhee37@Betweentheworlds@JoeAntosMan, Gretzky, I miss watching that dude play - never seen anyone who could freeze the defense like that ever! - only one who came close is Sid the Infant, still Mess was the greatest hockey player that ever lived IMHO, nothing excited more as a fan than when he streaked down the right side, you knew that toe shot was coming - no goalie ever could handle it and you knew Gravey was there to bury the rebound. That was one great team!!!