The New York Rangers (14-14-0) lost to the Winnipeg Jets (13-12-4) by the score of 5-2, tonight. For a box score, go to Yahoo! Sports.
...the only thing consistent about the Rangers is their inconsistency. It's amazing how they can play such a spirited game on Saturday and come back with such a clunker. I guess we should have expected a bit of a letdown after the emotions of the Canucks win, but I don't understand why this team can't create momentum from game to game. Frustrating.
...shortest goaltending controversy in the history of the NHL.
...having said that, Lundqvist wasn't the problem before tonight and Talbot wasn't the problem tonight. This is a flawed lineup that lacks steady scoring and toughness. And that falls on Sather.
...it was so quiet at the Garden tonight, you could actually hear Lundqvist snickering on the bench.
...anyone but Jokinen.
...nice to see a Callahan sighting tonight. Still not enough from the Rangers captain, who has been among the team's biggest disappointments this season.
...last year's success after the trade from Columbus is looking more and more like a mirage for Brassard.
...thought Del Zotto skated well and was aggressive with his shot, but at the end of the day he was a -3 and missed the net by three feet on a wide open shot that came back the other way and ended up in the back of the Rangers net.
...terrible job with the puck tonight. They refused to get it deep, which led to turnovers and lots of odd man rushes against. Impossible to win games doing that.
...on a positive note, I did like that both Rangers goals came as the direct result of players going to the front of the net. Not sure why they refuse to do it more often.
...midway through the game someone should have told Kreider that Tortorella was coaching Winnipeg tonight.
...i never want to blame the refs for a loss, but are they kidding me with that no call on the Stepan breakaway? You just knew it was going to come back to bite the Rangers.
...Richards is playing like a man who wants to be bought out at the end of the season as his miss on a wide open net in the third period leaves him with just one goal in the last 14 games.
...anyone else think Falk was a better fighter than that? Guy caught a Boyle-like beating.
...Rangers were out shock blocked 21-to-4. That's all you need to know about their compete level tonight. Baffling how this team can just go through the motions out there. AV needs to figure out how to motivate these guys on regular basis, because what's he's doing right now isn't working.
...two days off then the up to Buffalo for a date with the Sabres.
Post game talk...
cally belongs on the third line instead of zucarrello and what the fuck is moore doing on the third line.... id rather see pouliot get chances and fan on them then moore play his heart out for no reason at all... zucarello keeps getting the short end of the stick.. the guys a top 6 forward.. get tha tthrough ur head..... and im tired of hearing this wasnt talbots falt cuz it was... lundquist in net that at the very least goes to overtime or shootout.... talbot is good on long shots he can see but the second someone gets a shot in the slot theres wayyyyyyy to much room to shoot at its not like these guys arepicking corners.. there shooting right through him.... hes not a bad goalie im not saying that hes just not lundquvist and what weve seen is all just coincidental... u can also say that with the lack of scoring.. percentages are with use if we keep getting quality chances to score we will score a certain percentage of them and that percentage will balance out... also i play hockey on a team with the rangers practice goalie who said zuccarello has the best shot/release on the team... how about setting him up for the shot on the powerplay
I hope the Del Zotto exposure to other team scouts is over. He can skate a little but loses his man around the net and is consistently moved off the puck. John Moore is faster and stronger.
Wow! Falk got his clock cleaned. Time to look to Hartford.
Pouliot will never be successful because he constantly reaches for the puck instead of skating to the puck, using his size. Isn"t this obvious?
Is Brassard 6'1" in his skates? He can't be that tall and weigh over 200 lbs. can he? That was a dumb pass last night.
If i remember correctly when the Rangers acquired Clowe last year and in one of the first games he played he punched crap out of Engelland and then the Rangers walked all over the Pens but then Clowe got hurt and fast forward to the playoffs and the fear of the Lucic monster.
Some would argue that the Wings and Hawks get it done without a real physical presence but i think they get collectively get stronger when teams get physical where as the Rangers then seem to deflate. It may seem simple but a physical player with some skill is difficult to find and i think they need right now 2 position players to have chance.
Many would say this is 500 team I would say with the cap the way it is designed it makes it 500 league and I think Rangers need the above to get that edge.
scoring 1st and losing is something we arent use to seeing... Im not sure how richie missed that open net. Im not sure how we win one lose one every two games, the jets suck and they didnt even have Evander Kane tonight.. Disappointing.
nothing better than seeing DEL ZASTER out of position, screening his goalie, and shying away from blocking the 4th goal. Trade this guy already
The media is overhyping the Goalie controversy thing, which in reality not happening. No wonder why Torts reacted to the media the way he did.
And i cant believe so many of you bloggers are ready to blow this team up. Give em some time to gel.
Was at this game, and what a disappointing loss. I'd say I blame one goal on Talbot, because he allows too many rebounds and made a rookie mistake of trying to play the puck incorrectly. Other then that, it was an overall "lack of compete." No one thing stood out, just an overall malaise. Perhaps Hank could have saved the game, perhaps not.
Unfortunately, the only time the Garden got loud was the no-call on Stepan. That was infuriating.
Kevin, as I was reading your synopsis of the game, I was agreeing with every point you made. You are insightful and objective. I have said all along, this is a .500 team and I would trade away half of them to improve or at least build upon. Pyatt and Pouliot are a given. Brassard and Hagelin could be decent trade chips to teams that are in need of offense and are deep in defensive prospects (Nashville and Phoenix). Staal should be traded to Carolina ( who would give anything, but don't have a lot to choose from) before he becomes completely exposed of his injury. Del Zotto, - the sooner the better, and Richards, - the sooner benched the better, - before he becomes injured.
For all the hate, the chances were there. DZ's shot, Richards open net, Hagelin a foot past a WIDE open net trying to bank it off the goalie....they need to learn to finish and they'd score 8 goals every night.
Now, for all of you wanting to run Hank out of town, pleae finally shut up and go away! AV is an idiot. I wouldn't mind running him out of town right now. I can't stand all of the bullshit already. I don't think I've seen anyone question the fact that Hank's been the most consistent goalie in the NHL since entering the league in 2005. All of the hockey writers agree with that fact and its ubdeniable. He's been nominated for the vezina 5 times. Having said all of that, the only way he gets traded is if the Rangers just can't get the deal done with him and I'm not saying they should give him everything he wants but everyone who's so willing and even eager to part with him so quickly in anticipation of what he will bring back - needs to go away and shut up at this point. Hank has been the whole fucken team and the Rangers had no business even making the playoffs without him.
You had to expect a let down after the Vancouver game, plus playing a lot over the last week. So, why didn't AV play the (still) best guy on the team -- who was rested????? Yeah, the whole team was sloppy, but I gotta believe that Hank would have lifted them to at least a tie, if not an outright win.
I was actually worried for Falk's health. Peluso is an underrated fighter. He has not fought all that much in the NHL but had dominated Barch and Volpatti, two guys who are pretty decent when it comes to fighting. I give Falk credit for dropping the gloves...he was better off going with Thorburn when he had the chance.
A few thoughts:
1. Incredible how Joke-in-an has become a Ranger killer since leaving the club. They should just constantly give him breakaways and then trip him so he'll take penalty shots. That'll fix that.
2. Oh to be a fly on the wall above the goalie's lockers after that one last night. Convo probably went like this,
Ghostbuster: "You were right... A king has more power than a Ghostbuster... should have brought my proton pack. Sorry"
3. The team is a .500 club at best. Unless a move is made to add some bolster to this lineup this team shall continue to score minimally and get bullied.
4. I want to know how Slats sleeps at night. Someone tell me and please let me know what drugs he's got because I could use them.
5. I think that del Zaster has mob connections. That's why he's still on the team.
AV - have you seen enough missed shots and pucks somehow getting by DelZotto at the blue line in the offensive zone yet? Can we please recall ...,I don't know ANYONE ELSE?! PLEASE! NOW
Our record shows exactly what we are, nothing more than a 500. team. Unbelievable how we havent been more than one game over all season. I still think we have some enough guys, that if we add a few pieces we can make a deep run
John Moore better be reinserted Thursday... what a joke.
As for tonight... just cemented my HATRED for Olli Jokinen... that scumbag Piece of s__t!
All the fools that said trade Hank can finally go back under their rocks... he is the New York Rangers
couple softies by talbot, 10 quality shots by rangers. talbot's previous play was not the reason for calling for a hank trade... it's hanks previous play. we can still get a lot for him, in theory.
and we need a lot
They say teams take on the personality of their coach. It's amazing how quick these guys became AV after being Torts for so many years. By the way, was anyone else fuming as AV just stood there after the second Winnipeg goal as if nothing had happened? How can we expect the players to care of their coach doesn't?
@DaveFL Could not agree more---reality is the cap is the reason we did not keep Prust and more than likely the reason Dubinsky had to go in the Nash deal. We have not replaced either of them in my opinion. Soul players, team camaraderie guys--Dorsett tries to be that, but he is simply outmuscled in most circumstances. Not fair to Dorsett...in Columbus he had Boll and Prout as backup.
If we took out Pouliot, D Moore and replaced them with more heart and soul guys......would be a big boost for us. Zack Smith would fit that spot well.....from Ottawa. Steve Ott is not the right guy for what we need....too small. Dalton Prout with the Blue Jackets or Boll would be a good fit too.
@JoeNYR The season is 1/3 over. This team is what it is: .500, do you need a whole season to tell you that. Lucky we're in the weakest division in hockey or we'd be bottom dwellers.
seems like a lot of people are willing to give Talbot a pass. He was truly awful on 3 of the 4 goals
@BrendyJohnson Hagelin has been pretty quiet lately, hasn't he?
@HJB91 You're not getting it dude. No one denies Hank is the best player on the team, is better than Talbot and has been extremely consistent over the past 8 years. The position the "trade Hank" group is taking is that this team has so many holes it would not be wise to use up $8MM of cap space on one position and that we could use Hank as an asset to get multiple pieces back in return. We're thinking long term. We already know what will happen if we have Hank in net and a bunch of third liners skating around him. It's time to see what would happen if we had a lesser goalie in net but more depth throughout the lineup. In the end we could be Fed, but what do we have to lose? The team can't possibly improve with $8MM committed to the King over the next 6-8 years.
@Purinton Falk cannot fight--has never been known as a fighter either coming up. How many guys can the Rangers have over 6' 4" who cannot fight? Nash, Staal, Falk, Boyle.......and the one guy with all of the heart and moxy is Dorsett at five foot nothing....
Peluso is EXACTLY the type of guy we need to have....I get the no heavyweight concept in today's NHL, but you have to have a guy who can keep a Lucic, Sestito, Orr, Carkner type in check.....and that should not fall on Dorsett's shoulders.
There are other Peluso's out there...but he happens to be one of the good ones. He just broke his hand last season in a fight and missed almost the entire season afterwards.
@KreiderisTheChosenOne Ever since that friggin shootout miss. One of the most disappointing moments, missing the playoffs by that much.
@supermaz I'm not saying he should stay but if you are basing things on plus/minus you are doing it wrong. That stat means nothing.
What about when he actually turned away from the puck when he had any easy block and it beat Talbot. He is a selfish ass and has to be off this team ASAP.
@Melissa (blknblueshirts) Excellent point. My son and I were talking about the same thing.
@Melissa (blknblueshirts) No passion. That's exactly why I would have taken my chances on the non-experienced Messier I'd rather have the personality of a winner with zero experience then the experience of someone who underperformed for years with the high powered Canucks and who's experience included the coaching of the storied Team Canada to mediocrity. Well I can't blame the org. for not taking the risk but this guy's a dud! Let's hope he finds some contagious passion soon.
@Melissa (blknblueshirts) whats in that gum he chews?
@LanceGold1 @DaveFL I think also just as important on the D There is just no one back there that would strike fear in anyone. I give credit for Falk trying but he is just not that kind of player. Like the the forwards on the Rangers they have a lot of the same type players. They need a little variety and soon.
@Chris M @HJB91 I get what your saying and it proves to be the conundrum for a GM. Invest heavily in a solid position player or take a chance on the future goalie and invest the money on scoring power. However, you can't tell me a team like Pittsburg wouldnt die to have a goalie like Hank. They would have won last year w/ him. Granted the Pens wouldn't be able to have Hank on the team without clearing out cap space but they have enough talent on their team to do something like that. it's a tough call and traded for 3rd line stringers like sather does is not helping this team.
No I get it and that's fine. I may not agree but can at least understand the thought process. What I can't stand for though, are the few posters who have tried to diminish how good a competitor, goalie and athlete Lundqvist actually is. I sit in section 114 (now 113) corner behind the goal and I remember how much the Rangers sucked in 2005 but I remember watching Hank when he was this no name goalie and at a time that watching the team play was almost unbearable I remember watching him and being entertained and amazed before anyone really knew who he was in this league. So I hate when people are unwilling to acknowledge how good he is and has been for us.
@LanceGold1 @Purinton Agree completely. We will continue to be exposed for our lack of toughness until this problem gets addressed. The one "tough" 6'5 guy we have in our lineup is a punching bag for decent NHL enforcers. He is NOT a good fighter. If you saw Peluso he wasn't backing down, getting in everyones face because he knew we had no one to handle him. If Vingeault is going to dress someone for toughness, Jesus can the guy at least be a decent fighter. Its boggles my mind that Pouliot is dressed night in and night out over someone like Mashinter.
@Betweentheworlds @Melissa (blknblueshirts) Sorry to the AV haters, but AV is a respected head coach in the NHL for a reason. So he doesn't get all fiery and red like Torts. That's AVs demeanor. He's one of those guys who leads calmly, and it certainly doesn't mean he doesn't care.
In regards to Messier, just cause he was a winner as a player does not mean he would have been a winner as a coach. There are plenty of coaches who were great players, but were horrible coaches. (i.e. Gretzky, Trottier)
@EHBIGAPPLE @Betweentheworlds That's what I thought - so there really is no excuse for his building this team with pansies. He knows better. I remember really liking him as a player because of his edge. That combined with his Edmonton success made me really psyched when he got the GM job here, especially given who he replaced. What a shame....
@Betweentheworlds Sather was a lot like Dorsett but a much better fighter and a much smarter fighter. Remember when the Rangers were soft and The Flyers had a dude named Foley who was built like John Scott of the Sabres. Foley bragged very publicly how he was going to single-handedly rake the Rangers.
When the Flyers came to the Garden Sather skated right across center ice and landed quite a few shots at the surprised Foley and became a BIG fan favorite at The Garden.
In addition Sather has a graduate degree in Pschology. And he used to mouth off through the media at opposing teams with very clever sarcasm. The NY press loved him because he was all we had at the time. All of that contributed to Dolan's man crush on "Uncle Glen."
Sather was a pretty tough player if memory is accurate. You'd think he'd know better. Step should stay but Richey and Brass need to go IMO
@JoeNYR @MikeBlue Hate to disagree, but this is basically the same roster that was played together all last season. Pouliot and D Moore are new, Kredier didn't play a ton last year, but other than that, these guys aren't that new. 6 of our 13 forward have been here for 2+ years, and 11 of 13 were on the roster in last years playoffs. Meanwhile on D, Girardi, McDonagh, Staal (on and off), Del Zotto, and Stralman have all in, at least, thier 3rd season here.
@MikeBlue is dead on. This team is what it is: talented some nights, mediocre most others.
@JoeNYR @MikeBlue Clear and simple The Rangers lack character toughness on offense. They have 3 centers who all play soft (on both sides of the puck) and disappear when facing tough teams. D. Moore with limited offensive skills is the only center who plays strong.
The Rangers are at a crossroads right here and right now. They need offensive toughness that does not exist with The Whale. How Sather handles the contracts of The King and Soft Richards will be very telling in terms of what direction The Rangers will choose. The toughness we need is only available through trades and FA signings and available Cap space will dictate The Rangers future strategic direction.
@Betweentheworlds I thought Soupy was ok. Not great, but ok. Muckler & Trottier were clueless.
@shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds I'm not expecting every coach to get fiery like Torts and honestly not sure I even want that. But show some emotion. Or attempt to get your team in a game they obvious look like they don't care about. Instead he just stands there and then gives cocky answers during his press conferences as if he's the smartest guy in the room. Kind of ironic to say that considering what they just got rid of but that's how I see him lol.
As for Messier, I wouldn't have taken my chances on him. Yes he has a personality of a winner but that doesn't equate wins. Case in point (on a lower scale) - he also was known to win faceoffs as player. How many Rangers has he worked with on that? How have they done after working with him? Just because he can do it himself, doesn't mean he can teach others. Let him get experience coaching at a lower level and see how he does. Then we can talk about him being a NHL coach.
I don't hate AV - just need more passion IMO to motivate players. its contageous and personally I think he has underperformed thus far as a coach but I don't think he's bad and hope he improves while he's here. My opinions on Mess are strictly based upon his personality and iron will to win - qualities that far exceed both Trots and Gretz, even though they were both top winning players but I realize the point is moot.
@scrangersfan @shoot_the_goalie @Betweentheworlds @Melissa (blknblueshirts) Not the coaches that's been the NYR problem (well, except maybe Trottier and Muckler) It's the GM. Slats needs to go, but that's not happening under Dolan. Frankly, Dolan doesn't really care about winning a Cup as long as MSG is always filled, people are still buying jerseys, and advertisers still pay Cablevision.