Not sure I can remember a game with so many blood boiling incidents go against the Rangers. Between the Cam Janssen goal, Marc Staal having to leave the game with an apparent concussion and the non tripping call on Miller less than a minute before Michael Ryder gave the Devils a late lead, most Blueshirts fans had to be kept away from sharp objects after New Jersey's Eric Gelinas scored the game winner in overtime.
So let's get morbid this morning and break down each play.
Get ready to hate me. According to NHL rules, that was a legal goal. You may not like it, but it states...
According to Rule 49.2 "A puck that deflects into the net off an attacking player's skate who does not use a distinct kicking motion is a legitimate goal."
Did Janssen use his skate to purposely redirect the puck into the net? Absolutely. Was it due to a "distinct kicking motion"? Nope.
Just ask yourself this, did Janssen either swing his leg back or forward to kick the puck? If you're being honest with yourself, you know the answer is no. The rule was implemented to cut down on players whose stick was tied up in front of the net from dangerously using their skates to kick at a loose puck.
The problem I have with the rule, is that it is left up to interpretation by Toronto. What they think is a kick, could be different from what I think is a kick, which could be different from what you think is a kick.
It should be everything deflected off your body counts or nothing does. Needs to be cut and dry.
And for those of you attempting to compare this to JT Miller's waived off goal in Philadelphia earlier this season, sorry, not even close. Miller unintentionally swung his entire leg forward in a "distinct kicking motion" before striking the puck. I have a full breakdown of that incident here.
The Hit on Staal
Watching Staal walk towards the locker room and slam down his helmet after taking a Reid Boucher shoulder to the jaw made me sick to my stomach...
Making it even worse was the Rangers absolutely disgusting and embarrassing lack of response to the hit. Yes, I know the hit was legal and the game was tied, but who cares. The Rangers just sat there and watched a player with multiple concussions get absolutely blasted without a single "teammate" feeling it was worth the effort to skate over to Boucher and get in his face. Gutless.
After the game, Alain Vigneault said this about Staal's status (via Blueshirts United)...
"He took a shoulder to the chin and didn't feel quite right so they are evaluating him now and we'll have an update tomorrow."
His status for tonight is very much in doubt.
In the first period, Staal was planted into the boards from behind by Ryder (again, no response) and his face hit the dasher. After the play Staal was seen on the bench where he looked a bit dazed and actually missed putting his mouthpiece back into his mouth. Not good.
I guess we can stop with all the Michael Del Zotto trade rumors now, because he is going to counted on to be an integral part of this team going forward if Staal is going to miss a significant amount of time.
Unpenalized Trip on Miller
And the final blow was the unpenalized trip on JT Miller in the third period as his legs were absolutely taken out from him while driving to the Devils goal. You could even see Miller plead with the ref after the play for a penalty. And as is always the case, less than a minute later, Ryder did this to J. Moore and the Rangers...
Thankfully, there's a game tonight as it'll make it that much easier for us to put all this behind us by focusing on Washington.
Anyone else think the Neil knee to Marchant's head was worse than what happened to Orpik? That game was ugly all around, but damn the pens are a bunch of pricks…
John Moore HAS to take the body on a play like that. It will separate the player and if you get a good lick it will light a fire on your team.
The NHL needs to change the wording from "distinct kicking motion" to "purposely uses his skate to redirect the puck into the net." Did Janssen use a so called "distinct kicking motion", no. But, he sure as hell purposely moved his skate in order to deflect it into the net.
Again ... what happens to refs when they screw up? I'd love to know examples of league discipline for numnut refs.
That being said, until officiating, and that former DEVIL Shannahan (I hate when Ranger fans wear his jersey. stupid yuppies) gets his committee up to snuff, then the only defense against gutless hits and goons is to supply our own version of goons and guts. I hate fighting in the NHL, but it's NECESSARY.
I've had enough.
Dudes, the hit on Staal. Come on. Staal was leaning in to hit Boucher and they collided. It was as much Staal hitting the rookie as the rookie hitting Staal. Do you really go after a guy who was bracing himself for a hit? Nothing actionable in Boucher's move there.
On the other hand I totally agree about the sad lack of tough, policing presences to defend the little guy grit of the Rangers. Although I hate what S. Thornton did last night to Orpik, without Dorsett, the Rangers have NO ONE to step up in defense of their teammates. And Dorsett is small, so he's not the answer to all situations. This lack of guardianship instills a top to bottom cautiousness in the play of the rest of the team. As the season progresses and the playoffs loom, the Rangers will become less and less effective as a result of not being able to play the right way -- with grit, speed and abandon. Right now, I'm predicting we will not make the playoffs. This is a team that will struggle when the cost gets high.
We are New Yorkers and we want a team that hustles, fights, claws, does everything they can to win and never quits. We NEED guys like Thornton, Dorsett, Iginla, Chara, Murray, McQuaid, etc. Let the Vancouvers of the world have the wimpy teams with the pretty goals and the trussed up regular season records. There is a fighting core here, but they need protection.
BTW - just so you know. Though we come in a distant 2nd to the Bruins on the ice there are NO blogs out there for them like this. That is a statement to Kevin AND the fans. They have maybe one of the best hockey teams I have seen in quite a while and play such a phenomenal game and they have nowhere to discuss it...just friggin crickets. I have to refrain myself from discussing here bc it would just add salt to most of your(our) wounds and actually probably piss me off that the Rangers can't get their crap together anyway. New York Hockey Fans....serious commitment to be talking Rangers on a Sunday morning and for a team that is so awful. Sstill...it furthers my point to some knuckled below that the Rangers don't depend on STARS to draw fans. We are hooked. It is like telling people that the type of baggie the meth is in draws in the buyers.
Prust with a goal and an assist last night and did this to the goal scorer Janssen the other night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVS4ssS8-vA
All we look for is an application of the League rules that is a good sight more consistant from team to team than has been the case for long years. How many of our players have been concussed so far this season from clearly illegal hits without a penalty being called or suspension served? Too many. That this season's edition of my lifelong obsession is so weak of heart, soul and focus is another issue, but does not explain the many years of League favoritism for any team opposing the Rangers.
Anybody else having trouble composing & posting on these stupid boards the last couple days?!?!?!?!?
THink the Rangers should move to the WNHL. They play like a bunch of pussies anyways. They would fit right in. They are a mediocre team with no toughness and if they make it to the playoffs they won't get past the first round. Time to trade and get some younger players to build around Henrik, Kreider, Mcdonough, Nash Stephan and Zuc. Start trading now.........
It's starting to hit the fan! Predicrable! Disgraceful!? No more benefit of the doubt from this end. There is no doubt. Sather's a bloody idiot!! We've had bad breaks yes so maybe not all his fault.. Our feared fighter dead. Our top prospect Cherapanov dead in '08 who'd probably be lighting it up this season but shit happens and a guy who understood the need for toughness as a player builds a team of soft players as GM? WTF? Then later on comes the excuses from the top. "It's not my fault the team sucks, they all got injured". Duh... I don't believe in fighting specialists. I'm not even a big fan of fights but you got to build a balanced roster which includes at least 3 "enforcers" to cover every shift. Not necessarily "fighters" but guys the other team knows will put a hurting on you if you take liberties, and guys who can drop the gloves and win their fights. It's hockey 101. Then you cut down on concussions and major injuries because they think twice about running you. its pathetic. predictable and pathetic. One cup in 63 years. Does this team have any pride??? Build a balanced team for Christ sake - now that the most important piece is locked in build a balanced team already. We're almost good but with the missing pieces we're bad. It's akmost ironic. I said this the last couple years too in debate of all the "cup talk". I was not popular but I was right. The other more savvy fans were saying the same. Maybe it's time for the Front office to listen to the people who pay their player' salaries. Stop messing around and get it done before more guys get injured. Maybe getting Beach (sorry Kev) was a baby step in the right direction. If he develops he could be a Tikkanen type player. Wouldn't be the worse thing.
Agree with Kevin on the kick / no kick stuff. This HAS to be addressed by the league this summer. Also Miller had his legs taken out - that HAS GOT to be called.
I don't think the hit on Staal was anything but unfortunate - it was a good hockey hit IMO and didn't think it was extra vicious or targeted the head - Staal was in an awkward position to take that hit.
I think everyone is in agreement, but i find it funny that we all keep saying "we need a guy who..." as if.
I get caught up in it too, but the fact of the matter is that we don't need "a guy" we need "guys". I'm a Bruins fan too (though much more NYR) and that team is just filled with toughness - and it all doesn't fight, just tough. The Rangers need backbone and unfortunately one guy ain't the answer. (Though I'd take it)
Yeah we didn't need Prust - he's too pricey, and wasnt worth the money. And we didn't need Asham because he's too old and we have the little enforcer Dorsett (who i havent seen win a fight yet) and big scary men like Boyle and Pyatt in our fourth line anyway - were fine in that department. WTF this team is beyond soft - Shame on Slats he's lost it. This team is laughable. Bunch of underachieving, overpaid pre-madonna pussies. The Nash trade was a mistake, this team has been lost ever since. Still waiting for the superstar we gutted our team for to show up. All show and no go. Can't wait to see Ovie run our whole team tonight at free will.
If the worst is true and Staal has suffered another concussion I think it's time the Rangers call up McIlrath. That gives us three right handed shots on defense and most importantly one hell of a tough guy. He currently leads the AHL in penalty minutes with 115 and could be our version of Radko Gudas from Tampa Bay, albeit a much bigger version. I don't think this organization needs to go out and make a trade just yet. They're looking for a top four defenseman for MDZ and they're not going to get that right now. Give the rookie a shot and let Del Zotto, Falk, and Moore rotate on the left side in the bottom four.
I really don't see the problem with allowing redirections with the skate. Kicking it into the goal is one thing, redirecting it in should be allowed. I don't mind the call. Redirection vs kicking it in should be the line.
Everytime I find out it's "going to Toronto" I just do a shot of whiskey. I know what's coming.
I wonder if when it "goes to Toronto" it's actually just a bunch of seals. They hit balls and see what hole it falls in, then they make the call (South Park reference)
@DPSnotty I am unless I respond in a reply
I sound like Harbough in the Pepsi commercial when I watch games "NOBODY's TACKLING ANYBODY!!!! I FORMATION I FORMATION!!!!!!!"
I'm speaking of "enforcer" as a player. Not just a fighter who can't skate. People like Scott Stevens was. Or like Neil and Lucic. Maybe "enforcer" is the wrong term. "Players" who can police the ice and hit hard themselves to ware the other team down.
@Say my Name Except I think the Bruins & Pens both gave the league another black eye yesterday... cheap shots abounded
@Say my Name It's a start. The Rangers aren't going to be the Bruins and I don't think anyone is ignorant enough to think one guy fixes all of this team's issues, but let's face it this is our team and these are the guys we have. Honestly, I think we have more quality pieces in place thana majority of NHL teams. What we lack are enforcers, but we have at least one in the AHL that deserves a chance if Staal is going to miss time here. Sometimes a single player that patrols the ice is as crucial as a team's 30 goal scorer.
@Say my Name ya. two years ago, when they finished in first, it was a completely different culture/paradigm, whatever. They were a team other times hated to play because they knew it was going to be a grind. Not because of one or two blockheads, but because they was an all-round toughness, in your face mentality. A lot has changed in two years.
@RangersTown I actually think Connor Allen gets a shot ahead of Mcilrath. If we need a top 4 guy... its CA. If Moore or Falk got hurt I would agree with you
@IhaveawaiteratMSG 2.5 whatever doesnt sound half bad right now
@Kevin DeLury Same as SMN & HF
lol...yeah, in fact I though you were kidding, which is why I was busting your chops.
When I try to post comments it now offers in red the @ and then the names of the person's post I am replying to. No problem with that, but it is different and may lead you to the reason for the real problems, which are:posts don't seem to make new paragraphs anymorecursor jumps from one side to the othercan't backspace to correct anything - cursor goes back to topcursor jumps around and starts in the middle of words already typed. constant error message which does not allow post unless you copy paste and eliminate paragraph breaks.weird.
yeah....Thornton ...wow. Usually a good character guy too. I don't know what happened. I watched that game and the Pens were taking some cheap shots. Neal is a menace to society. NO excuse for what Thornton did AT ALL, but it clearly set him off. The ONLY good thing that came out of it is that Orpick appears to be okay and Thornton showed TONS of GENUINE contrition. The guy was almost crying. Doesn't change what he did at all, but it says something about him.
Completely agree. Look at the impact Prust had. Yes, rebuilding total toughness will take some time...if ever with Slats, but having a force that precious few want to tangle with that isn't a liability when he's on the ice is HUGE!
can't hit like enough. That is so true and I think the entire problem is that the game has passed Sather by. He still seems to think it is the 1980's. Dubi, Feds, Prust, etc....sure you can't keep all, hell, a tam is fluid so eventually you can't keep anyone. BUT...you have to replace like with like. The players are the problem, which is 100% on Sather. It is not AV, or Torts, or any other window dressing.
@KreiderisTheChosenOne @RangersTown Doesn't address lack of toughness. We need a guy besides Dorsett that can get physical with teams. I'm not looking for a top four dman to replace Staal as we don't have one in this organization right now even if Staal wasn't at his best. This team needs some bite and they need to be harder to play against. I want size and I want grit to balance out the backend.
@Say my Name see my post above. had to eliminate paragraph breaks to get it to post. I'm in chrome now. will try a different browser shortly.
@Say my Name having same problem.
@Kevin DeLury I am unless I respond in a reply
@Say my Name Saw that interview with Thornton too, but man you gotta have some kind of control out there - that stuff with Orpik (after he tried to fight him the first time) was premeditated & completely uncalled for.
@Say my Name Dubi and Prust alone would help this team so much. They are the toughness this team lacks..