“I’m not quite sure we have the personnel to play the type of game I’d like to play, which is more offensive-oriented. It’s a challenge scoring goals — I’m not saying we won’t get there — but right now it’s a big challenge, so we have to be [more] defense-minded. My job is to coach, analyze the personnel we have and put a system in place that best suits them. That’s what I’m trying to do now.” - Alain Vigneault after last night's 4-1 loss
...wow, talk about a guy trying to save face and deflect blame.
...i give AV credit for acknowledging he needs to adjust, but this is quickly turning into a cluster eff of epic proportions. So basically, the Rangers will have an offensive-minded coach implementing a new defense-oriented game plan for a group of players lacking the passion, effort and toughness to run it. What could go wrong?
...and this absolutely 100% falls on Sather. It's impossible to believe he properly evaluated his roster and the effects a coach with the skill set of AV would have on it. And even if Sather acknowledged during the hiring process that the Rangers personnel might have some difficulties adjusting to a more fast paced offense, you'd think he would have addressed that by doing more than sign an enigmatic winger, a defensive center who hadn't played in a year and a journeyman defenseman. A well placed call to Canucks GM Mike Gillis to see who might be available probably wouldn't have been the worst idea.
...two years ago, I did a complete 180 on Sather. I felt he was finally getting it. He wasn't just haphazardly buying the best players on the market. He was making shrewd moves to acquire character players whose contributions didn't always show up on the scoreboard. Now he's back to putting square pegs in round holes. He's more concerned about past performances instead of how that player fits into the roster. The shine from two years ago is officially off Sather. This guy needs to be shown the door ASAP.
...just look at the Rangers bottom six. It's a potpourri of players who don't fit well together. What are their roles? Shouldn't a third line be an energy line that offers some offense? Last night the Rangers third line was Richards-Boyle-Callahan. Ummmm, no. And a fourth line is supposed to be a tough, defensive-minded checking line. Last night it was Asham-Moore-Dorsett. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! This roster needs players with distinct roles. A combination of scorers, playmakers, grinders and enforcers. Sather gutted the hardness of this team and until he finds a way to sufficiently replace it, they will never become a successful TEAM.
According to Marty Biron (who said this on MSG after Tuesday's game), “the locker room is a little all over the place. Guys are not sure what to fix and what to do..." Hey, coach -- Do your job. The players are confused -- they're trying to play your system, but are not equipped to do so. Provide some guidance. Show you give a f**k. COACH.
I couldn't agree more with this article. People blasted poor Torts for his defensive style of hockey, but clearly he was doing the best he could with what he was given. We all knew this, yet people still jumped on the anti-Torts bandwagon rather than the fire Sather freight train. Speaking of which...I was at Saturday night's game against the Devils, and I didn't hear a single "Fire Sather" chant. What's going on?
Oh boohoo! It was leetch's birthday! He sucked since he was named captain. Great player but cmon people! You all sound like you only watched your dad's 94 cup highlight tape. If you watched the years after then he didnt do much!
I've wanted Sather gone since he traded Leetch. No one deserved to be a Ranger for life more than #2. And for what? What was that great return for (arguably) the Best player in the franchise's history?
- 2004-Mar-03 Traded from New York Rangers with round 4 pick in the 2004 draft (Roman Kukumberg) to Toronto Maple Leafs for Maxim Kondratiev, Jarkko Immonen, round 1 pick in the 2004 draft (Kris Chucko) and round 2 pick in the 2005 draft
Anyone have an ESPN Insider account? Article up by Craig Custance on which NYC team will rebound from their spiral first. Looks like the gist is that the Islanders have the prospects, the Devils have the GM, and the Rangers have the Money. Curious what his conclusion is.
Does anyone know if there is a GM that is 14 years with the same team and if so also did not win a cup?
There's really nothing I can add you haven't said. When they acquired nash, then balked on Prust and Mitchell I knew the team would need to adjust to less grit but an upgrade (at least on paper) of talent. Then Torts failed to make the adjustment by using a system that was successful the year prior but did not fit last year's roster but worse yet Slats comes out mid-season saying he under estimated the impact of losing those players? WTF Slats ??? It's not a good thing when the fans know more about what's going on with your team then you do. So this year we fired one coach, brought in another who too acts clueless on how to strategize properly to maximize his roster. This is more the fault and responsibility of the GM then these 2 coaches. If you know your coach thrives with a hard working blue collar team then don't trade half of them for one player, and don't let the other half of them walk. Then don't fire that coach and find a new one who plays a system that doesn't fit your roster either. You would think the GM knows who his players are. Damn! This was never a top team going into this year but they are good enough to be above 500 and to get in the playoffs. If the remaining holes were to get filled and if Hank got hot they could be very good but with a GM who is making all the wrong moves, or is simply not making any moves and the confidence and cohesiveness of the team slipping one notch every game it becomes imperative to make some changes and soon.
On a different note Cally's injury may be a blessing in disguise, if indeed his repaired shoulder got tweaked and that is the reason for his soft and uninspired play as of late. Now he has to sit and let it heal up..
Speaking of the 80's
McGrath:(Sather) I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise. Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
First problem is simple and it's name is Sather. He still thinks he can win with an 80's philosophy in today's NHL. No clue how to build a team. Never has for that matter. That's all I will write about him because he's not worth anymore of my energy. Second problem is as follows:
1. Boyle. No points in 14 games. Falls to the ice more times than he gets shifts in a game. Not an NHL caliber player. I'm sure a player in juniors can win faceoffs occasionally. If shot-blocking is the only thing you do well, you don't belong.
2. Moore. Defensive 4th line center whose best days are behind him.
3. Stepan. Don't get me wrong b/c I am a fan of his but is there a softer player in the NHL??? You will start to notice "soft" is a common theme.
4. Hagelin. 3rd line speedster who will occasionally score. Another soft player under 6 feet.
5. Pyatt. Shouldn't be on an NHL roster. Can't score, forecheck or hit
6. Pouliot. Been let go by how many teams??? AHL caliber player.
7. Richards. Soft with declining skills. Yes he's one of our leading scorers but is that more testament to the fact this team cannot score and not Richards play?
8. Asham. I know he just got called up but he is no longer sandpaper and doesn't scare other teams away from taking liberties on our skill guys.
9. Callahan. Love him. Wish all other players had his heart but due to his size, his style of play is starting to take a toll on him. Perfect 3rd line winger. Borderline 2nd line winger.
10. Del Zotto. Open your f'n eyes. Has NOT improved since rookie year. Afraid to take a hit in order to make a play and is just plain stupid with regards to hockey sense
11. Girardi. Slow and another play I feel is soft. Love his heart but maybe all those blocked shots under Torts has sapped his effectiveness.
12. Falk. 7th or 8th dman at best and NOT the answer to clearing the front of the net
13. Stralman. Consistently effective but again too soft.
Only keepers in my opinion are Kreider, Zucc, Brassard, Nash, J. Moore, Staal and McDonagh. Obviously Lundqvist too. I've read posts on here about trading Staal and Nash and I respect everyone's opinions but I disagree on these 2. I keep Staal b/c I think he can still be an effective 2nd pair dman and you won't get much back for a guy with and eye problem and multiple concussions. Nash is an elite talent. You can't just trade someone of that skill level away for prospects. He's the only pure goal scorer this team has. Nash needs to play on a line with wing who is big, strong and has skill. Get him that and pair him with Brassard and watch him meet expectations. It's written that he doesn't show up in big games but would you trade Ovechkin after he did nothing in the playoffs against the Rangers? You can't just give up on Nash so soon. As for Brassasd, I'm going to assume many will disagree but I like the way the kid plays. Plays with passion, skates hard, battles and will stick his nose in dirty areas and hit. I think J. Moore has the potential to be a 1st pair D with the right coaching. The talent is there.
That's my evaluation of this team. They need to get bigger to play in today's NHL, they more grit combined with skill and more importantly ... Most of them need Zuccarello's heart! Lastly, Dolan needs to realize that part of the reason team's play well on home ice is because of the rabid fan base. The NY public library was louder than the garden last night. Wake up and realize you are pricing out the real fans that give players the excitement and extra energy they should have playing on their home ice. Frustrated? Nope. I'm not frustrated. I'm disgusted with the product Sather and Dolan have given us.
Everyone and I mean everyone can see Sather is the main problem… how sad is that? Dolan can't… we are soooooo screwed guys….
James Dolan is a f**king idiot. End of story. Sather sucks hard at his job and he is still running the show. This is the result. I know hindsight is 20/20 but man would have been awesome to just trade Gaborik for Nash straight up and keep dubi and artie. Sure Sather has pulled some rabbits out of his decaying ass, but look at the whole story. He is just awful. Starts with Dolan and Sather. Players are not playing well, but I but the least amount of blame on them and AV. I seriously can't watch them anymore. They have managed to make something I have so much joy and passion for and make me depressed watching it.
I have to say I am starting to really question who the cancers are on this team. My vote goes to the players that have all come from a team where the coaching position is like a revolving door. I mean there have been EIGHT coaches for a team that has only been around for 13 years! Talk about job insecurity! Rangers have had 6 in that same time frame, but they had many moves in the early 2000s.
This board reminds me lately of Jim Morrison's grave in Pere Lachaise in Paris. A bunch of devotees hanging out around a coffin and passing rotgut around in a paper bag. We all want our hockey team back. Why'd they have to die?
Av is a perfect coach for what the fans in New York have been asking for. The problem is with the team he was given. This team was picked and tweaked by torts for a diff style of play. If you look around the league no other team has a forth line as terrible as ours. Pyatt shouldn't even make an AHL team and pouliot is a heartless player that looks lost all the time. We have some dmen that won't be with the team much longer and should be traded away for the best talent we can get whether it be forwards or D. I say we trade pouliot and Pyatt for a back of pucks and some used washing machine parts. Trade staal who we know will run to play with his brothers and has concusion problems with Gerardi to Edmonton for yak, eberlie and a draft pick. Then bring up kristo, macllrath and that other dman I can't think of at the moment. This will give us some talent and force the others to play hard to stay in the line up.
Macllrath is right handed and just nasty and the other kid Allen or Johnson are both big nice choices to help the D get some grit and youth. A mix of youth and a trade could help right the ship. They need a fire under there ass and the youth will make them fight to keep there jobs.
We've fallen from Grace at the hands of our Master Puppeteer, Mr. Glen Sather. I'm so depressed I feel like dumping my tickets to next week's game.
Is there any bright side to this mess??
Don't all speak at once now.
Remember that time a few years back when this team was captivating almost every single game?! Things fall apart but I never thought we get here so quickly.
Is this rock bottom?? Pass the Black.
I posted this yesterday at 5 am when i got off the am-track but it even rings true more today. I was at the game last night in DC. Ovechkin is pure adrenaline. He crushes guys like an enforcer every shift. by far the fastest guy on the ice and when he shoots the puck sounds like someone is kicking down a door. Bishop wanted no part of those pucks hitting him. Ovi had him flinching like a bitch. . All I heard going into it was he's a dogshit cherry-picker, too. no chance. he back checks better than any current ranger forward. Plays the game with such a snarl. He tied the game TWICE last night. just shoots and skates and hits rinse repeat. His teammates absolutely love him. elevates the players around him. they work so hard to get him the puck. If Kreider played on a line with ovechkin he'd be a 40 goal, 100 point guy. The guy OWNS the ice. So impressive live. Rangers haven't had a guy like that since Mess. It pissed me the hell off. the seats where 1/4 of what the new MSG seats are, to watch something incredible. Thats all i want. that was pure entertainment. If it cost us Nash, Hank and the next 10 first round picks to get ovi, we'd steal that deal. The energy in the place was insane when the puck was on his stick. like jagr in '06 x 10. I WANT THAT. As a fan, you can tell he really gives a shit.
@DaveFL George McPhee - Washington 16 years. Pretty sure Darcy Reiger was in charge for for 16 Years before getting canned last month by Buffalo
I couldn't agree more with this post. This is my first posting here
Things I noticed from last night vs. preds
-when we are on the power play, teams pressure the puck handler. What that means is our players are forced to make quick decisions to move it which usually leads to poor passing and clogged shooting lanes. What I found interesting is that we don't do this on our own pk. We sit back.
-garden was dead. Guys behind me talked about work the whole game. Couple in front never stopped texting. Why even bother going? It's a sporting event. Watch and root for your team.
-why was Boyle getting pp time? Please just trade the guy along with del zotto. Don't understand how pouliot is on the team? Same for d Moore and asham. Really, we recalled asham for last nights game! So he could shoot wide and hit no one. Bring up kids please.
- we are lucky to be .500. And all of the past years, lundqvist has bailed us out of tight games. 1 goal vs Nashville isn't going to cut it, and AV, stop chewing gum and start chewing into your players.
- please buy out Richards at the end of this season
I'd agree on all. I keep Stralman because he'll probably be less than 3mill/year. I love Callahan as well. No one defines captain like he does. I just wish he'd play more than 3 games without being out for 2 months.
@TruBluEsp No one is untouchable IMHO except Kreider, Hank, & McD. Oh, and Sather too...oh boy.
@ivanricov Thanks. That comment is gonna make me have a whole bottle of scotch tonight.
"Indians scattered on dawn's highway, bleeding,
ghosts crowd the young child's fragile egg-shell mind"
@GiveGartneraCup great ,
@GiveGartneraCup IMO. The best move Sather have ever made is to fire that rat bastard Torts. I don't want him back even if we don't win a game in the next 10 years. He is a no class egotistical asshole who can't even smell AV's fart.The guy will not last 3 years at Vancouver before he gets canned there also.
@GiveGartneraCup He wasn't THE problem (that's Dolan & Slats) but Torts did become a part of the problem, because the players tuned him out. Is that Torts' fault? yes and no. If Torts is still at the helm today, with this personnel, we wouldn't be looking at much better results IMHO.
@Scott from SEC 224 I didn't want to see Leetch go (the same with Graves), but from a GM standpoint, it made sense to let go of him in order to rebuild cause he still had value, and was in the twilight of his career. What I take issue to (and apparently so does Leetch) is how Slats did it, making the trade on Leetch's birthday, and not even giving him a hint that the NYR were looking to move him prior. Leetch deserved that respect from the organization at the minimum.
Scott from SEC 224 DaveFL David Poile has been in Nashville since their start in 1997.
Doug Wilson in San Jose is at 10 years (hired
Ken Holland (Detroit), Lou Lamorillo (NJD), and Jim Rutherford (Carolina) are the other GMs that were hired prior to 2000, but obviously those 3 have cups.
@Betweentheworlds Blood on the streets and the suites at the garden, blood stains the roofs and walkways of jp morgan...
My God scrangersfan. Why all the hate to torts? He was actually a great guy off the ice, especially with humane shelters. He is an intense coach, nothing wrong with that.
@scrangersfan @GiveGartneraCup I got to say, if Torts was here, I think this team would be a lot tougher and meaner. Teams often resemble their coaches. Look at 2012. How quickly we forget. I still believe Sather wanted to go skill and Torts wanted more grit and that was the biggest divide between the two (even more so than the room being "lost" which might just be sather's manipulation of the media and a bitchy richards)
@Scott from SEC 224 @shoot_the_goalie I want to say the trade was for two picks and two prospects. The prospects went nowhere, and the picks turned into Lauri Korpikoski (dud) and Michael Sauer (unfortunately done due to concussion). not disagreeing, Leetch was my absolute favorite Ranger growing up and that trade was devastating as a young fan, but if Sauer were healthy, there would at least be somewhat of silver lining.
@Scott from SEC 224 @shoot_the_goalie Not defending Sather at all, and do believe Leetch deserved WAY more respect than he got, but it's not really fair to say that trade did nothing, cause it did get the NYR Sauer. I'll blame Slats for a lot of things, but Sauer having a career ending injury is not one of them. If Sauer is still playing, and playing to the level he was when he got hurt, we'd all be saying that it ended up being a good trade and helped the NYR.
@shoot_the_goalie @Scott from SEC 224 That trade did nothing for the Rangers. Leetch had more value staying.. The lockout was the following year. His contract expired and he would not return to Broadway because of Sather. He wanted to break Howells games played record & take a run at Gilberts points record. He wanted to stay a Ranger. I think he earned it.
So true. You wouldn't believe that Sather has a Masters Degree in Psychology. Lot of things about the Slats man I don't understand. The way he dispatched Leetch is at the very top of the list. Slats on many levels is hard to defend!
@scrangersfan Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again, what do we expect a team to become when they're known for saying "our boss is too tough on us... wahhhhhh."
@JustinRP37 @shoot_the_goalie @GiveGartneraCup I'm more of a "kill the serpent at it's head" type of guy. Get rid of Dolan (who's ruined the NYR & the Knicks) and you can start to fix things by hiring a better GM. Getting rid of the CBJ guys will just open room for more bad acquisitions by Sather/Dolan & co. Problem is, don't think Dolan is going anywhere, and by association, neither is Sather.