This quote from Alain Vigneault after last night's 4-3 Rangers win over Tampa regarding the NHL debut of Conor Allen may be the final nail in Michael Del Zotto's coffin (via Newsday)...
"He was one of our better Ds. He outplayed some of the other guys and deserved to be out there. He was poised with the puck, wasn't afraid to take a hit to make a play, and that's why he got that ice time."
Allen played 15 minutes, 47 seconds, including key minutes late in the third period with the Rangers clinging to a 4-3 lead.
Meanwhile, Del Zotto was wandering out of position on the penalty kill...
As well as losing his man in front of the net...
...i don't think it's any secret that Del Zotto will be back in the press box tomorrow night in Sunrise, Florida when Stralman and/or Staal return from injury. The question now is what happens going forward. Even with the defense back at full strength, I'd love to see Allen continue to get an opportunity. Sorry Moore, you've only been marginally better than Del Zotto, so you can sit a few games. If Allen proves he's NHL caliber then Sather needs to find a taker for Del Zotto and move him asap.
...i get that some Rangers fans are concerned Del Zotto will figure it out once traded. While that might be true, does anyone actually think he's ever going to turn it around as a Ranger? I know I don't. Plus, if Allen shows himself capable, Sather can change his asking price for Del Zotto to a much needed grinding forward or possibly one with offensive potential.
...one thing that struck me about Allen is how much more advanced he is defensively than McIlrath. While I love the former first round pick's toughness, his skating is abysmal and his game had plenty of holes in it. Finishing the season in Hartford, is probably the best plan going forward with McIlrath.
Kadri is available. I would do kadri for del zotto and a prospect like beach the guy we just picked up from Chicago. What do we think?
offensive talent from a D man is really only helpful if he also has a complete game and can play tons of minutes and really control the game. this is just not his role, and really I see no place for him in the league. If you want to be that kind of player you need to be a team's 1 or 2 guy who has complete package and plays 28 minutes a game- leetch, chara, etc. which just aint DZ... otherwise, what is he a PP specialist for 4 minutes a game? Useless. With all the holes in his all-around game, any potential offensive upside isn't even worth discussing- you could really say that about a lot of forwards in the league, but he's supposed to be a Dman..
DZ will not figure it out. We have figured him out. Offensively, he's a poor mans Kim jonsson at best, while Swiss cheese on D. anything we get for him is fine. Need picks and/or grinders right now
I'm sure this may be a tired subject but I still think the Rangers made a big mistake taking McIlrath over Cam Fowler in 2010. Maybe time proves me wrong but I knew this would bite them in the ass.
Why can't they look for depth/toghness for DZ instead of worrying about getting a dman. Allen was good so maybe that changes Slats thinking? If they're worried about DZ somehow figuring it out then trade him outside of the division. Just get something for him damn it. It's no secret: DZ plays well when he snarls and gets nasty. I saw that last year in his 4 or 5 good games. It's not rocket science. Get emotional DZ and play with an edge. Then you don't think and therefor you don't fuck up as much. AV's quote speaks volumes (about Allen) "He's wasn't afraid to take a hit to make a play". there's the difference right there. DZ plays like he is afraid to take a hit.
Would Del Zotto clear waivers if he was sent down? Putting him in he press box is not going to fix the problem. Right now he's a minor league D-man. Get what you can and move on. He needs time to start over and find his game again somewhere.
i still dont understand the logic of Sather wanting D-men in return for DZ. If you're trading for DZ you are obviously looking to bolster your D corps why would you be willing to part with a top 4 or even 6 D guy for a project in DZ. You have to move him for a forward or prospects...
I don't remember Del Zotto ever playing this bad. He's always caused palms to the face, but now I think he's just given up and is waiting to be traded. Every time he tries to get the puck out of his own zone, he fails. Every shot he takes is easily blocked. And he has his own ideas about where he should be on the ice that don't correspond with any strategy in hockey, especially the one he's supposed to play.
I think Moore gets a little leeway this season. Only 137 games worth of NHL games experience (2, 67, 17, 13, 38) scattered over 5 seasons now, and trying to learn 3 systems during that span.
DZ has had over twice as many NHL games (282) almost all in the same system and still looks completely lost out there. This system should fit his play style, but he looks horrible out there, both offensively & especially defensively.
Not to change the subject but what about that KC hit at the end of the game! He is a man among boys. Game after game you see players backing away from his physical presence. Hell he even put a lick on Giradi with an inadvertent hit.
Not only is mcilrath a bust in terms of ability... Potentially two knee surgeries before he is 24 on the same knee Kevin... Allen is the real deal (just watch him play). Mcilrath is a career ahler at best.
Allen seems like the type of defensemen who, given time under the system, could thrive in AV's game. I'm getting a bit excited since, let's be serious, it's one game. But if this is something we could expect consistently out of him than he could be a solid guy to have on the point in a lot of situations. I think the other thing we need to remember is Falk played less than 10 minutes last game. It seems that AV does like Falk but he's hesitant to use him without Staal or Stralman in the lineup. I also found it interesting that at several points in the game we'd see Moore, Del Z, and Allen paired up with one of G and McD yet Falk never got that bump up. He was either on the PK or strictly a third pairing with Allen.
it would take more then del zotto to get kadri and people have to stop worrying about what they do on there own time in new york and what type of person tehy are.. plenty of people party and have succesful careers knock that shit off just cuz some great players have come here and fell off doesnt mean its the citys fault its a coinvidence most of the time
I don't know, HBO 24/7 is doing a real nice job painting him as a spoiled frat boy with absolutely no common sense. Not sure if coming to NYC would be a good fit. Might get too caught up in clubbing and clothes shopping...just like MDZ...Plus he's playing on their top line, so I'd expect it to take more than just DZ to get him and a prospect. Maybe throw in a forward like Brassard.
There a alot of pieces that can be added with DelZero to entice teams. ...
Players getting hot. And contracts that are cheap...Pouliot as an example
@SmellyKisioExactly. Other teams aren't going to overpay for a guy who stinks on tape. They are NHL GM's, they know what he is. Move him for whatever we can and get him off the books, and more importantly, off the ice.
@dahjay Every player develops differently, and every player is selected for a different reason. I agree with @mando24179 , it's too early to close the book on McIlrath. The Rangers picked him to add size and grit to their blueline. The feeling was that with McDonagh, Staal and Del Zotto, there was a bigger need for a defensive-defenseman. In the long run, sure, Cam Fowler could end up putting up more points or scoring more goals, and maybe it would have been nice to have him, but I think it's too soon to say taking McIlrath was a mistake. Every draft pick is a risk. Unless you've got a top 3 pick, you're never positive that a player will pan out, or how long the process will take.
This isn't even close to the Hugh Jessiman debacle. You could have thrown a dart at a wall and ended up with a player who turned in to an NHL star. But you look at who got drafted in 2010, and there are a lot of players who haven't panned out yet, or may never. We spend 50% of our time complaining that this team isn't big enough and isn't tough enough, seems a little hypocritical to also complain that the organization drafted a guy with size and toughness.
The unfortunate truth with McIlrath is that the element of his game that needs to most work is his skating, speed, and over all timing, and its impossible to develop those skills if you keep having knee problems pull you out of the roster.
Guy hasn't even been given a chance yet......wow....He,'ll work out given the chance....He is a sandpaper dman Not a 60 point guy....
@dahjayI threw my remote on that pick. I stand by the throw.
You can be a step or two out of position, but you've got a goalie to make a save, and you can get undressed by a player with more skill that you and that's just the nature of playing defense in the league. But if I were a coach in this league, the thing that would drive me nuts above all else would be not "taking a hit to make a play". I feel like in every game, at least once a period, I see the same scenario: There is a loose puck along the boards on del zotto's side, he races towards the puck, but at the last second either just slams it against the board or makes a weak stab at it, and then does his little spin-o-rama away from the play because he doesn't want to get hit. And because of that unwillingness, the opponent maintains possession.
@bk59There is no way he would clear wawers.
@bk59I was thinking the same thing, but I'm sure some team would pick him up. Edmonton, Buffalo...
@cb1 God bless Conor Allen. Maybe more like John Connor ?
@msena88 exactlyyyyyy... whos trading a good dman for a bad one lol... at this point throw boyle in the deal and get someone like boyle whos not afraid to get hit and fight.. cuz as of rite now boyles a penalty killer that takes up space on the ice and on the roster
@msena88Perhaps because Sather is not the sharpest tack on the wall.
The best part is that he knows how to pick his moments. We really don't want him head hunting all the time but there are times when it can be a game changer.
@bk59I actually loved Kreider coming to Del Zotto's aid in the second period.
great pic - except wildly inaccurate. there are too many peaks.
@AnnoyingJoe Honestly... This is the best pic you posted so far Joe, a side Munn of course ;)
@KreiderisTheChosenOne Way tojump the gun… you may be right, but damn….
Also, just found this.
Vigneault says Pouliot, Zuccarello "didn’t complain to the world about being sat out."
He seems a Lil high maintenance. ... And would be to much into the city l/ nightlife and not focused
Haven't really watch 24/7. That a solid point New York might be too crazy for him. Minus all that I would add barssard. I don't feel thats a huge lose but the last thing we need is another MDZ
Someone was desperate enough to pick u old useless long in the tooth dmen....look around the league..... There is a market for DelZero...... But we have to dump him. ...now.... get what we can get for him and be done with it
I seem to recall people saying Kreider was a bust a couple of months ago and the #1 points leader for the Rangers currently was accused of never being capable of playing in the NHL let alone excelling...
@mando24179 lmao high maintenence? there hockey players my dude there all rich high maintenance guys.. kadri is nothing compared to other players in the league
I don't want to rip on the kid like some old geezer, I'm only 28. But he just doesn't seem to have the manly intensity that you would expect from an NHLer. Looks, sounds, and seems to behave like a kid. I've only watched bits and pieces, but I've read some summaries in places like Puck Daddy that make Kadri out to be a bit of an air-head..
Considering teams are showing interest and just don't want to pay the asking price, I can't see how he would clear waivers.