Earlier today, Greg Wyshynski at Puck Daddy retweeted this regarding the battle between the Rangers and the Canucks for Ryane Clowe's services...
Canucks considered Clowe's salary demands which were 8 years 34 mill according to Botch. #wow— Taj (@taj1944) April 4, 2013
"Botch" is Jason Botchford who is the Canucks beat writer at the Vancouver Province. I couldn't find anything online from Botchford on this, but he didn't refute what Taj stated when he responded to the tweet (see here).
...if Clowe is making the same demand from the Rangers, and it's not a guarantee he is, it looks like he'll be nothing more than a rental. No way Sather is giving out that kind of money to a guy in the middle of a disappointing season, nor should he. And with the important Rangers contracts expiring in the next two years, Sather couldn't afford that demand anyway.
...with the amount of draft picks the Rangers gave up to get Clowe, I assume they'll do all they can to extend him, but they shouldn't offer anything longer than 3-years at $3 million per.
Meanwhile, in his first practice with the Blue Jackets, Marian Gaborik skated on a line with Artem Anisimov and Vinny Prospal.
....talk about coming full circle. Prospal and Gaborik had a lot of success together, so don't be surprised if he starts tearing it up real quick.
Columbus won 3-1. Gaborik got the game winner and first star.
Prospal's post game quote via NHL.com:
"Gaborik's inability to flourish this season under Rangers coach John Tortorella was the subtext behind the deadline deal on Wednesday. Gaborik's new (and old) teammate Prospal played under Tortorella for the Tampa Bay Lightning (twice) and also in New York. Prospal is a big believer in Tortorella but had understood why the situation didn't work for Gaborik...
...Let's put it this way: That is the only way that coach Tortorella knows how to coach," Prospal said. "That's the way he has been ever since I got to know him in Year 2000. He's not going to change because of certain players. You either can play under or him or you can't and sometimes you just go different ways but he's a good teacher, he's a good coach and I know, particularly in my game, he helped me quite a bit…"
OMG I forgot about that combo when I commented on Gabby not having chemistry with any NYR centers - Arty and Gabby did have a nice thing going at times, that is until Torts separated them.
I only saw the highlights but what I saw was a guy (Clowe) who wants to be a Ranger. He had that fire in his eye of one who bleeds blue, and getting his first 2 goals of the season in his first game here I see as a sign and not a fluke.. I think they stand an excellent chance of resigning him, and certainly this year he's going to make his best case for getting a long term lucrative contract. I agree - 3 yrs (4 max) at 2.7-3M.
It's going to be an interesting off-season. Depending on how Clowe does the rest of the year, he could be looking at 4M+.
It's gonna be a tight squeeze to get Step, McD and Hags all under the cap, so you have to figure guys like Pyatt, Powe and Asham will be shopped.
i just have to say it again, after bitching about them so much here on this blog, that i was very happy for boyle and richards to have such a great game. it would be so great to see them continue to build on that next game. same goes for clowe, as far as building on a good game. it made me glad to see his quote about wanting to wear the broadway hat. i know he hasnt scored much before last night but was still involved assist-wise with the sharks despite missing time. it makes me feel better about those draft picks and reassures my faith in glen sather.
gotta say too that im impressed with torts on one point (barfed in my mouth there). he told the new guys to just go out there and have fun and mentioned that sometimes its possible to overcoach. and what did they do? fucking 2 goals and an assist in 15 minutes for clowe. 1 goal and 3 assists for bressard in under 15 minutes. moore, 1 goal, also flourishing in under 15 minutes of TOI after getting off an airplane (like bressard) and going from ohio to nyc at 22 years old, handling the pressure. those are the facts.
Clowe's played one game and already everyone's speculating on a future contract. It's like going out on a first date and then having a conference call to formulate a prenuptial..
At the time the trade was announced, it was mentioned that Clowe had agreed to terms on a new contract in the future with the Rangers.
i would hope that he would accept 3 yrs at 3 mil each. i would bet he would balk at that. eight years though? lol. it just cant happen. ages 30 through 38? a big guy like him playing a rough game? c'mon. not realistic. bad move by either clowe or his agent. i hope thats not the case.
Based on how excited he seems to be in New York I think he'd accept some discount. He's gonna need to
1. "According to Botch." Not saying he's wrong, but "reliable" people said Iginla was going to Boston...
2. Asking for and getting are 2 completely different things.
3. It could be he didn't want to go to the Canucks so he floated a ridiculous number (not that I have anything to support this).
4. I have to think that there had to be some sort of very informal, very vague broaching of the subject of an extension somewhere along the line in the trade discussion here. Obviously all of it non-binding and dependent on how both he & the Rangers do between now and June, but I have to think before the Rangers fork over 3 draft picks they're at least considering the future, so I'd hope that there was some reasonable foundation laid re: an extension. Then again, who knows? (See also: Antropov, Zherdev, Naslund...)
5. Before you go drawing a line in the sand at "no more than $3/year," we all (or most of us) said "don't blow the budget on Prust," and I think a lot of us would now say that maybe an extra $500K/year would've been totally worth it. Not that I'm endorsing 8 years for $34M, mind you, but that's only $4.25M/year. If that's where his agent is starting from, I think we could very easily get to 5 years at $3.5M/per and have smiles all around.
This is for annoyingjoe and McPhee http://youtu.be/fy5wOjRsWL0
Like i said earlier most I give clowe is 5-6 years and 3.5-4 per year. But if we don't sign him that was a terrible trade... We mortgaged our future in a fake season for 13 games
Talk to me when Gabby gets his first penalty shot and whiffs on it or falls on his ass in a shootout
Man, it worries me ... I wonder what they'll settle on ... dude is already 30, and we already got one old man on the books for the rest of the decade .....
That report is probably the Canucks front office leaking a false story so they aren't critic end for not getting Clowe. Slather gave up basically nothing for a solid 2-way player. There is not a chance any team is giving Clowe that kind of contract.
"cocaine's a hell of a drug" -rick james
but seriously if sather is dumb enough to sign another long term contract that will handcuff the team i'd be really surprised
@TheNYRBlog I thought that contract was agreed for Philly and thats what made Vancouver back away? After last night he may ask for more
I think either way Gaborik would have been moved. If not now, then by the summer. Despite last night which was only ONE game. I think it was a horrible long term deal. Unless, someone can prove otherwise.
@TheNYRBlog Clowe is only worth 3-4 years @ 4 million a year nothing more than that. Hes too old to give more than that
@TheNYRBlog also, As long as deal is shorter than 6, they can get creative and avoid Luongo rule penalty.
@TheNYRBlog there is no real truth to those rumors. VAN couldn't even give 8 years w new CBA
We lose Hamrlik's 3.5M cap hit plus Gilroy's $550,000 so losing those 2 is enough to pay for Clowe. Another player we lose under the cap is Sauer whos a RFA. Its a sad story the way his career has panned out but I honestly don't see him staying in the Rangers organization if the future of his career remains a question mark. Then we have around $14M in cap space to resign Stepan, Hagelin and McDonagh. Should be no problem.
@cb1 richards buyout?
@IcyCup I've laid off coach for now myself for now. Don't care for him but he's our coach and seems to be making better decisions as of late.
@IcyCup Torts has said on many occasions he doesn't like to over coach. Before the season started and during the season I have heard him say that. He loves correcting "mistakes" thou. I do feel he knows when to let them play and when to coach. Call me crazy but he seems to be a very knowledgable coach when he is actually answering questions asked by reporters. He might be an ass sometimes (which I love) but I think he is an intelligent coach.
@shishya100 we were speculating on the contract the moment he got traded. nature of the beast.
@shishya100 that's the definition of a straw argument.
@queensbee all sounds right on to me
@queensbee Obviously, I would need to see more than one game to agree with those numbers.
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG hahahaha thats a little creepy...
@Josh6 its a real cup
@johnnyb3910 That's what I'm hoping.
@ThrSage this is likely.
@ATCRyan Neil Smith was the coke head
@TomUrtzNYR Was surprised to see Wysh retweet that this morning. Didn't seem legit, but guy did use Canuck beat as source.
@AnnoyingJoe @cb1 A buy out this early in his contract may not open up enough cap space to be prudent. I have to admit being ignorant as to how the whole cap thing works but it doesn't seem to make sense with so many years left. Does the amnesty buyout mean the team does not have to pay the player anymore? If so Richey better get his ass in gear. He's still in good graces but if he doesn't pick it up soon he may be gone.
@ivanricov @IcyCup On paper he's very knowledgeable. that's why I get so crazy. The intangeables of this game, like the human psyche seem to be what he's clueless on (at least from where I sit, of course I'm not in that locker room). It doesn't show on paper but that's at least as important as anything else. A great coach is also a psychologist. Look at Ottawa's . coach, he does get the human factor and look what's happening up there despite all the injuries. He's basically beating up on the league with Alfred and a bunch of minor leaguers. torts also needs to learn patience. Don't change your lines because they had a bad period. Don't bench a player for a mistake. Over reactionary and shortsighted, but I've never questioned his knowledge of the game nor his players hockey skills. The potential for a great coach is there but he needs to get out of his ego and be willing to learn the unseen "3rd dimension" of hockey (IMHO)
@KevinDeLury Of course. But assuming he performs well for the next 3 months, I don't think $3.5 is out of the question.
@KevinDeLury That being said, the guy did manage to get a complete NTC on his current $3.625 deal, so maybe he's a good negotiator.
Also don't fully buy the tweet because it starts with "Canuck's considered Clowe's salary demands" implying it was their decision to not take him, but most of the reports yesterday were that Clowe CHOSE NYR over Van, not that SJS picked NYR's offer or that Vancouver backed out.
@Herman_NYRBlog Isn't there provisions against sign and trade deals like that?
@TheNYRBlog me too. Also Kypreos stated that NYR talked extension with Clowe already on SN yesterday. Moving Gabby $$$ gives flexibility
@Herman_NYRBlog I interpreted it as the Sharks extending him first, then dealing for him. But now that I rethink, its a huge goof on me.
@TomUrtzNYR What would stop the Canucks from giving him an 8-year extension once they traded for him?
@TomUrtzNYR Yeah, would makes sense to lose flexibility they just gained.