Bruce Garrioch at the Ottawa Sun reports that while former Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke keeps surfacing as a possible replacement with the Dallas Stars, he's also been linked to the Rangers if Glen Sather steps aside.
...not a big fan of this at all. While Burke had success in Vancouver and Anaheim, his time in Toronto was a disaster.
...the Rangers are finally starting to build a winner from within and I'm hoping they use the same strategy when eventually finding a successor for Sather. Cough, cough - Gordie Clark - cough. And if not Clark, Assistant General Manager Jeff Gorton wouldn't be a bad choice either. They're both not only familiar with the Rangers game plan for building a winner, they've written and are implementing it. Not sure why the Dolans would look outside the organization and risk messing with the current blueprint.
In fact you watch Brooksie shoot this down in his column on Sunday. This is all Burke floating this crap
Don't worry about Burke, he is not going to replace Sather. This is the egomaniac Burke either using that as leverage or he is floating it to make it look like he is in demand. A guy like him would las 2-months w-a guy like Dolan. Not to mention the the NY media. Him & Brooks already are at war w-each other. Its never going to happen. Always be wary if a rumour about the Ranger front office coming from a Canada writer. You think they have Dolan's ear? No way!!!! Dolan is not going outside of the organization if and when Sather steps aside. Its not his way. Remember for all the criticism that Dolan gets (some deserved some not), one thing people can never say about him is he is not loyal. For proof see Isiah Thomas & Glen Sather. So he is going to pass over Clark, Mess, or Norton for Burke? Not a chance in fact its laughable. I am sure Sather is staying around a few more years & if he isn't I am sure a there is a plan in place. Either Clark, Messier or Norton will be the next GM. If its not them Sather would have brought his good buddy Howson in as the heir apparent and got him ready for when he steps down..
I know it's pure speculation on the part of a total rumor monger but BARF. The in house solutions are far more interesting (and also likely more realistic). The only thing that scares me is that Dolan in his *ahem* wisdom typically likes the most high profile guy possible.
brian burke loves the camera a little too much imho. glen has a job for life at $5 mil a year from what i understand.
ahhh... just saw the name of the reporter involved.
bruce fucking garrioch.
I wouldn't put anything past the Dolans but for the most part they don't seem to be too interested in tinkering w/ the rangers the way they do w/ the Knicks.....thank god! However, its also the reason that Sather has remained here as long as he has. He has proven that as long as you have a solid goalie (Richter than Lundquist), you can screw around n make horrible decisions on the rest of the team. Sather did well w/ bringing in Torts (for now anyway it looks good) n certain talent like Richards n Nash but his Gaborik trade was an admission that they let go of the toughness of this team w/ Rupp, Dubi, and Prust. Poor management cost us Gabby. I'll be glad to see Sather go but also scared of what the Dolans do next!
Guess I was wrong about Toronto disaster. Either way, would still rather have someone promoted from within.
While I would have no problems with the Rangers choosing somebody from within, Burke has built the foundation for championship or contending teams in Vancouver and Anaheim. I actually think he has been terrific in his time in Toronto, he took a team with absolutely no assets and built a pretty good foundation for them going forward. Yea, the Kessel trade backfired on him but he was under pressure to rebuild quickly and hell, he still got a young exciting forward who scored 82 points as a 24 year old.
I like Burke. people forget all the good hes done in the draft for every team hes ever managed. Look at the 2010 USA team as well.
sort of a disaster... less than a year after his departure, the team he built is doing pretty well, you know.
@TheNYRBlog I don't get it, haven't they been grooming Messier for this exact purpose?
Agree that Burke would not be a good choice. I wouldn't call Powe, Clowe, Richards, Pyatt, Boyle, Stralman, McDonagh, Biron, Brassard, Moore. Dorsett, Eminger, Gilroy, Zuke,Nash, Girardi "building from within". Clark is way overrated. Hockey Futures has our off Broadway talent rated as 23rd in the league. That's probably generous as only Miller and Kreider are legitimate prospects, imo.
I'm a Sather fan. He's had a long and storied career. It will be tough to fill his shoes. I hope he isn't stepping down too soon.
This guy is a joke. No thank you. He's a freaking slob. If I have hear his monotone, sad sack voice talking about my beloved team I may off myself. Also would it kill the guy to keep his tie on once in a while
If Sather were to step down from both his roles with the organization, I wouldn't mind them bringing in Burke as Team President with Gorton or Clark as GM. Despite his time in Toronto, he's had plenty of success, including being the GM for the US Olympic team in 2010.
NO THANK YOU. I mean, Burkie gives an entertaining presser, but we have Torts for that. I don't know exactly who I want, but I would prefer to pass on Mr. Burke.
It's a pipe dream to think we could lure JD back, right? Probably. *sigh*
I don't think Burke would be the worst thing to happen to the Rangers front office. I think we're always going to have a big name/personality in that role. That's just who we are. Having a guy like Burke, to spit out "hockey talk" to reporters, without saying anything, and who keeps the old boys network that runs hockey happy is just fine. We've got someone like Gorton behind the scenes, feeding him facts, numbers and analysis.
As far as Gordie Clark goes, I'm not sure he'd be the guy at all. Gordie's inability to fire to in the 1st round is a bit concerning. The players he's "found" have been late picks, which is a nice bonus, but leads me to believe that's more about lower level scouts finding these players and passing things along, since they tend to be off the radar of the rest of this league. I haven't seen enough from Gordie to get past his involvement in the DiPietro to the Isles fiasco at this point.
It is Bruce Garrioch's saying this. But if it did turn out to be true, perhaps the Burke's time with the Maple Laughs would be akin to Sather's first 8 years with the Rangers. His Kessel trade was a disaster, but other trades he's made have been decent. He hasn't drafted great, but hopefully's that's where Gordie would be the difference. He might not be a bad choice, but I would much prefer them staying within the organization.
Not anymore. I think he learned from that.
I don't think the Kessel trade backfired at all. He got a big time goal scorer and in today's NHL thats rare.
pre-burke: jason blake, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Matthew Stajan, Mikhail Grabovski, Nikolai Antropov, Niklas Hagman, Luke Schenn
now: Phil Kessel, Nazem Kadri, James Van Riemsdyk, Tyler Bozak, Joffrey Lupul, Dion Phaneuf, Jake Gardiner
He even says in his column he thinks its weird
@92cro My not wanting him has more to do with me rather having someone promoted from within.
BTW acquiring young under the radar talent ie; Mcdonough, Brassard etc; etc; is building from within!!!!
Clark overated? Are you serious? Who cares what some publication says. I can see w-my own eyes what he has drafted & helped build. A team that was 2-games away from the Finals & will be a contender for the Cup for next 3-5 years!!!How bout Mcdonough for one. His scouting saw something no one else did. How bout Hags? or Del-Z, or Staal or the multitude of prospects we have.
Gordie Clark is a great talent evaluator.
@shishya100 Step, Hags, Callahan, Kreider, Miller, Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Lundqvist.
@shishya100 looking more and more like you might be only half right on your "legitimate prospects" assesment. Although, having seen him up close a few times, I'm liking McIllrath more and more. I'm not sure he's gonna be top pair, but I think he can certainly be projected to fill a huge role for us with steady play and a HUGE physical presence.
@shishya100 .......what do you consider as "legitimate Prospects?"
@jtf1218 I just wouldn't ever want him as our GM after the Kessel trade. Nooooooooooo.
@queensbee JD would be another name to think about. He'd be able to do what Slats and Burke too, give us an established presence with an inside track on hockey's old boys network. Spit out old stories and canned responses that give writers plenty of copy to keep them happy without ever telling them everything. I wouldn't overlook Schoeny to get promoted into that position either.
As far Torts giving an "entertaining presser", part of the problem is that Torts wants to do more then that. Slats knows his role. He has people under him to do the heavy lifting. Torts wants to get his face on camera, but refuses to bring in the people (assistants) who can cover the big gaps in what he brings as a coach.
@CJ I think Mess has a long way to go before he's ready to become GM.
@smatty burke seems to have done a bunch of good things re-shaping their lineup, which is what i was referring to in my previous post. that said, he brought in over-valued Americans, defensemen J-M Liles and Mike Komisarek (Komisarek is basically their Redden) and center Tim Connolly at hefty price tags (suggesting his American bias), and signed Fs Kulemin and Grabovski (2 g's a piece I believe this year) to exorbitant contracts, all of which hampers the Leafs' ability to sign guys like Bozak and Kadri down the line. i'd say, his tenure, while short of a disaster, wasn't exactly awesome. I don't want him as the Rangers GM. I agree it should be someone who's more new school than old guard.
@KevinDeLury @shishya100 As I said elsewhere though, the big knock on Clark to me is his lack of ability to do well with our 1st rounders. He sees to leave alot of talent on the board with his choices. We've had great success with the late round picks under him, but that seems like it has to have a lot more to do with local scouts finding us guys off the radar.
@BuckarooClub Huh? Totorella hates talking to the media. I'd be willing to bet he'd take a sizable pay cut if they'd allow him to avoid the media altogether, but the league doesn't work that way. Even when they win, you can tell that he can't wait to get out of there. I don't know where you get that he wants his face in front of the camera.
@KevinDeLury But isn't his position now to basically sit next to Slats 24-7 and learn his role so that he can one day fill it? I mean I could totally be missing the point of what Mess is doing for the team right now, but that is how I read it when he was brought on as "Special Assistant to the GM".
I disagree some people are just born winners. Mess could handle the role & the kharma & positive energy that he exudes would bring a Cup. Remember something it was Mess would broke the whole"we don't talk about winning the Cup around here cause its a jinx" nonsense. He rightly said "you have to talk about itto win it" He was preaching about Karma & positive energy 20-years ago...long before books like The Secret or any of that new age movement started. He knows how to bring a winning enviroment & how to surround himself w-smart people who will build a Cup winner. I would hire him in a minute!!!!
@smatty kulemin and grab have like 8 gs a piece
@ThrSage Hence the "pipe dream" comment. However, I didn't think he'd leave St. Louis so soon, which says to me that if he gets an offer he *really, really* likes, he's willing to act on it. That said, it's very, very long shot.
@BuckarooClub Oh lord, that's not why we have him, it just happens to be an entertaining bonus.
@queensbee Your original point was that we have Torts to give "an interesting presser". As much as Torts claims he doesn't like the media, he goes out of his way to feed it with his nonsense and antics, often under the guise that he's protecting the players.
My point is, having someone who wants to be the lighting rod isn't a bad thing. I think Slats, or Brian Burke, have both shown they can handle that role very well, allowing the people doing the heavy lifting to stay in the shadows, and do their jobs. I think JD, who you suggested, can do this for a team too.
Torts on the other hand, wants to be the lightning rod, and the everything else. He's not getting you to watch the right hand, so you don't see what he's doing with the left, he needs to be both hands, and make sure there are no other appendages on the body.