Last night in the first period Rick Nash took a vicious blow to the head from Brad Stuart...
And here was the Rangers response...
...yep, for the second time in less than a year, the Rangers super star forward gets his bell rung with zero response from his teammates. Was hoping to hear Thornton call this team soft again after the game so I could absolutely 100% agree with him.
...listen, I can take an ass whipping. There are going to be games during the season where you just don't have it, but it is inexcusable not to stick up for your teammate. Especially less than a week after Nash came to the aid of Stepan. I don't care if Asham or Dorsett handed the Sharks a five-minute power play for jumping over the boards to manhandle Stuart, a message had to be sent there.
...to the anti-enforcer crowd, do you still think there isn't a place on this roster for a Bickel or a Mashinter? Trust me, similar to last season, other teams have taken notice of the inaction and will be prepared to take liberties with Rangers skill players (do they have any left?) as they know there won't be any repercussions. The Canadiens must be licking their chops.
So how did Nash feel after the game? (via New York Post)...
“It’s just a headache,” said Nash. “I didn’t feel it [right away], it came later. I just didn’t feel right.
“It was a head shot,” Nash added. “Any time there’s a head shot you’re concerned when you feel the way it feels. It’s not a good feeling.”
Nash played eight shifts after the penalty, and saw 5:53 of ice time in the period, but the Rangers announced before the start of the second period that Nash would not return to the game.
Nash missed four games last season due to a concussion after a hit from Milan Lucic of the Boston Bruins
It is unknown whether Nash will be available for tomorrow night's game in Anaheim.
Brad Stuart will have a disciplinary hearing Wednesday for the hit.
Here's more from Nash...
...i wondered during the offseason who was going to score on this team other than Nash, I guess we're going to find out if he's out for an extended period of time.
...and while the line of Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello have had some nice chemistry, they need to start finding the back of the net.
And don't even get me started on the lack of a response to this....
...Hertl needed to be on his ass after embarrassing the Rangers like that.
...btw, what the hell was Del Zotto doing on that play.
I don't think Stuart gets suspended if it wasn't Nash that he hit. I hold opinion that the NHL is 100 times more likely to use supplemental discipline if the victim is known as a star player. Remember when Hagelin was suspended in the Ottawa series?
Don't get me wrong here, the hit was dirty. I just wish this was dealt with on the spot right there on the ice. When I see a team that lets the opponent take liberties on their star players I like to see that team get their asses handed to them night after night. The Rangers better not become such a team.
On one hand, our boy, the Baby Giraffe himself, Brian Boyle DID get after Stuart later in the game. Should there have been an immediate response? Probably. I don't entirely blame them for not seeing it as the cheap shot it was, since the puck was away from Stuart finishing his check (which is all it looked like at first glance, especially since Nash started skating a couple seconds later).
Despite all that, yeah, I agree with you, Kevin-- there should have been retaliation. Like you said, Nash went to bat for Stepan two nights ago, and when it came time for anyone on the team to do so for Nash, no one really did.
Hell even Mashinter! It's very unsettling nobody stood up for Nash especially after what he did in Phoenix.
Isn't it Asham and Dorsett's job too fight and stand up for teammates. If Bickel was in the line up last night he would have fucked Brad Stuart up!
The Rangers are a bunch of punks first you let Nash fight for himself then nobody sticks up for him when he gets hit dirty so sad bunch prissy bitches I could woop all of them and im a rangers fan
i hated the trade last year for Ashum and hate it more now. You think
Rupp would of allowed that hit on Nash to go unchallenged? Hell no. As
for the goal, it was a sweet goal n i dont take it as insult to the
team. They should more embarrassed that their star defenseman allowed
Hertl to fly past him into the zone.
I thought Dorsett was going yo bring the balls yo this team that they have needed, but so far, not so much...they better get their shit together.
I've been saying Bickel gets a bad rap around here for a long time. Say what you want about his game, but the dude can fight, and has no problem dropping the gloves in support of his team. He was a part of the squad that went to the Eastern Conference Finals. If you disagree with me, fine, but get used to seeing much more of this shit. I'd take Bickel over MDZ any damn day.
First post here...glad I found some others with similar sentiments. Love the Hertl comments too...there is a time to dial it down when the game is out of hand and when you don't, someone else should dial it down for you.
As much I hate to admit, the old time brawlers are being
forced out of the game but those who are poking their noses in as
non-fans of pugilism always fail to see the upside of it all - the team
morale, unity, momentum for next game, etc. The answer did not have to
be "gooning it up" like all the non-fighting fans say...it can be
accomplished with some real, hard focused hits on young stars like
Hertl, Couture, and others to force the Sharks' hand, but as a team
effort, from line 1 to line 4. It's even easy to take clean runs at
Stuart...he's a defenseman; just keep throwing it in his corner and
smash away. The change in hitting from this game from the Kings game was
bizarre. But as many have said, most of these Rangers just dont want to
hit...its not in their blood. Transplant Zucc's balls onto Pyatt and
Boyle. Man, that little guy is in the mix all the time.
Two words - NO HEART! They threw the coach under the bus after last season, but maybe they should all look in the mirror! It ain't the coach you clowns!
MDZ has been absolutely useless. Trade him to a team in the west that hasn't caught on yet. His defense is horrible and his offense appears to be good until you notice that he doesn't ever score and he has just as many passes intercepted as connected.
Also, what the hell is up with lundqvist? Biron is terrible and is barely serviceable as a backup in the nhl, but lundqvist doesn't look ANYTHING like his former self. He doesn't appear confident or comfortable in the crease. Maybe Brodeur was on to something when he said the new equipment rules were gonna hurt Henrik.
@TheNYRBlog So frustrating to watch. If Asham doesn't stick up for that elbow. Get him out of the lineup, he contributes nothing else
Man, do I miss Dubinsky, Rupp and Prust. I hate saying it but it's true, they need Bickel or Mashinter in the lineup. There's just zero toughness. It's open season on the on the skilled players and there's no one who will enforce the " code" unfortunately. Vigneault says his enforcers must be able to skate and handle the puck but when were enforcers ever really in that " power forward"class?
Stick up for your best player and never let a team or player show you up on the ice. Anisimov shot the goalie and the whole team went after him. Great skilled play but shit like that happens in a shoot out. You do that in a game you have to pay the price. What did he pay? Chemistry, gelling, Changing where guys sit in a dressing room? Actions on the ice are the most important thing and speak volumes as to how tight a team is.
Coaches come and go...Rangers gutless actions do not. This is WHY Messier should have been the coach. Instead we have another retread from the NHL "failed" ranks......
Look, the Rangers are simply not that good and haven't been for some time. When they went deep into the playoffs it was b/c of spectacular goaltending and a very, very tough team playing a strict defensive game which somewhat negated the overall difference between them and the other team. They have since purged a lot of the toughness; fired the coach who forced the system (granted it is a nearly impossible system to sustain over time with smaller players) and Hank is a year older. The trouble with NY fans is that most overrate their team once it has some success and fail to see HOW that success was attained. The trouble with the Rangers is that Sather did the exact same thing.
When people cry out for the Rangers to get tougher it is not about enforcers, so just stop that knee-jerk refrain. Nor is it about one, or two players. It is about just being bigger, stronger, faster. Talent in the NHL is supremely overrated. It is the frosting on the cake. The ice is smaller than ever and teams can compete with great success just having big guys who will "get there first" and be in a bad mood when they get there. Sather is a dolt who is stuck in the '80's when dazzling stick handling and incredible shots ruled the day. Go to Olympic sized rinks and that will be critical once again - and yes it is still nice to have now - but it simply can not divert your attention from the points above.
Oh and Gravey....yes, if Cally lays a huge hit on a star player he should get hit, maybe even challenged to a fight. Considering your namesake and how often he dropped the gloves when someone breathed on Messier should know that. You hit our stars...you're going to at LEAST be crushed by a check. However the saddest part of your comment is that when you had to imagine someone on the NYR hitting someone you had to imagine a 5'10" 175 lb guy in Cally. THAT is the problem. The Rangers are simply not big enough, or fast enough, or tough enough. The Sharks and the Kings and the Bruins, etc... can bring that EVERY night.
This team needs a Shanahan moment badly. They don't need an enforcer who's gonna have a "staged" fight to send a message. What they needed was someone like Richie, or Step, or someone who is not your typical fighter take on Stuart (like Nash did for Step). That sends a bigger message, a sorta David vs Goliath moment, that no matter what, our team will not back down.
Shanny was totally mismatched against Brashear, but he did it anyway to send a message.
Boyle response was fine? Give me a break if your going to take a 4 min minor for yelling and asham takes a 2 min slashing call. Asham looks slow and is basically useless if in a 9-2 all you can do is throw a weak slash. Gravey94 no one said anything about throwing a hard hit and jumping the guy. It's a hit to the head on your star. You have guys like dorrset and asham in the line up the coach should use them. I was sick that not one ranger dropped the gloves and made Stuart answer for the hit to the head. Sharks don't have any fighters more the reason to play physical and slow them down. Call up haley and sit asham.
I don't care if we get killed loke that. it happens to everyone but stick up for your star player! !
Rangers never stand up for their own team mates. Why is everyone so taken back by this?. Not a shock to me.
@TheNYRBlog Wasn't the knock on AV's Canucks teams that they were too soft? No reason to think that would change here.
Agree Boyle & Asham responded too late or not at all. They should have paid Pruster. He would have done something & message would have been sent.
Its only 3 games in...so im not worried it does happen, but not standing up for Nash is simply inexcusable...that Canuck baby hockey right there im sry, I like vingeault, but that needs to have retaliation....especially against a "soft" sharks team lol
So is it OK then to expect that the next time Cally throws a hard hit on someone that he should be jumped by the other team? Funny, Callahan's hit on Regehr the other night looked pretty hard, but nobody from the Kings jumped Cally. The Stepan hit in LA was a good clean hit too. Nash confronted Hanzl, but Hanzl initiated the fight, so let's not make it out to be that Nash went out of his way to stick up for Stepan is some great vigilante manner. The hit by Stuart didn't look like much either, nor did the Lucic hit last year. Honestly, I've been hit harder than both playing non-check open hockey with 50 year olds. Maybe we need to come to the realization that Nash is a delicate player...not so much soft, but delicate. Boyle's response was appropriate, no matter when it comes in a game. The response the Rangers should have had was to start hitting themselves and wake up, but that didn't happen for whatever reason. If a player has a blatant dirty play on one of players, then an immediate response should happen. Hockey is a contact sport, all players will get hit. They'll be spending a lot of time in the penalty box if they're going to do after people for throwing hits, and it won't deter teams in the least.
How'd you like how the Sharks looked? Pretty awesome, huh? Who's their enforcer? Right - they don't have one - just a bunch of talented players who play all parts of the game. Maybe instead of constantly pining for one-dimensional guys like Bickel or Mashinter or Paley, we should be looking for guys like Joe Pavelski, Andrew Ladd or Dave Bolland - guys who can be phsical without being goons as well as having some offensive upside. The game's changing, boys - get on-board
we are screwed. We can't make any moves via trade. (at least not some meaningful because our cap hit is on the roof), Nash is going to sit a while because of headshot. Man, we are stuck with what we have, and guys from minors. Guys need to figure this one out, and fast or this is going to be an ugly season.
Btw one of the reasons I want Evander Kane for the rangers is because of his attitude. No one on this team has one... It's embarassing I would love to see someone stir things up once in awhile
Ok, so, I didn't watch the game - Just can't be staying up till all hours of the night when I have to get up at 5am for work - but this is exactly the sort of thing I was afraid of when they kicked Torts out, and it feels like the inevitable result of all the moves they've made over the last couple of years. I feel like everything I loved so much about this team 2 years ago has been destroyed and it depresses me more than I can express.
I know its SUPER early int he season and, in all fairness, the team has a lot to adjust to this year. But, I made the same excuses for them last season, and unlike last season they got a full training camp and preseason this year. So, I don't really buy it this time around.
I'm not going to be one of those "the end is nigh" fans because they've lost some early games, but I can't say I've got a great feeling about this season, either. I'm just hoping they get their act together and start turning their game around by the time they're back in our time zone.
I know we are all hating on the rangers right now but remember this: It's early in the season, Hags is still out n we have some potential down in Hartford. The sharks are serious team n I would be shocked if they didn't make the conference finals. Don't jump off the bridge just yet!
I agree 100% Bickel's defense is no worse than MDZ and people make the arguement MDZ creates offense. What offense!? He had 1 good offensive season above average I can think of. Bickel was part of our ECF team as you pointed out. He deserves another shot!
@Purinton Way to bring the thunder! Welcome aboard!
@Purinton We were pretty high up in fighting majors last year as well if memory serves - but your points are valid
@shoot_the_goalie I was at that game and easily one of the most courageous things I've seen at a sporting event.
@gravey94 If Cally hits someone in the head then yes, he better watch his back.
@sureshore How bout Brandon Dubinksy?
Yeah look at the leafs, sens, Boston, Habs, etc. games really changing. It's how you build your team. Rangers are no where near the sharks to copy their team that will take years. Rangers can copy the Boston model having physical guys along with skill players. Rangers have zero so called goons on the team. Orr isn't just a goon anymore he can play the game without being a liability on the ice. Thornton on Boston another "goon" that can play. Rangers need a guy like that on the 4th line. Having cally Dorsset and asham as the only physical guys will not work. We don't have the skill to plAylike he sharks.
@sureshore That's fair and would be fully onboard with the idea of rebuilding the team with that strategy.
@sureshore Dead on! Been saying this for weeks. I liked that AV put a guy like Asham in the line-up, atleast he can fight and put up points, although he's been relatively quiet in these two games. The "Enforcer" is a dying breed. We need a Steve Downie/Milan Lucic type.
@Free Lindberg I would trade any prospect we have + any roster player that isn't Hank, McDonagh, Stepan, and Nash for Evander Kane. Freaking love him.
I was talking about Kane with my brothers a day ago. Took the words right out of my mouth.
@erichan I think we lost the "stick up for your teammates" attitude when we lost Prust & Dubi, but frankly I don't think the moves the NYR made that caused their losses were bad moves. We just never filled those lost roles back in.